Hi guys x l was just wondering for those who have stomach issues if you have ever experienced what lm about to write. On Sunday l didnt feel to clever,, l had little headaches and slight dizziness which came and went best part of the day. I also remember l was very thirsty Sunday night. When l woke up Monday morning my stomach was aching l went to the loo as normal thinking maybe l need a wee from drinking so much the night before, the pains were horrendous lower stomach mid stomach right side up to bottom ribs l was rocking for over and hour the pain was that bad l was reaching. l really thought l was going to end up at hospital,however we were away from home for the night so l suffered it until the pain was less and got got home my stomach was so tender to touch any way l got myself to bed with a heat pad and pain killers, The intense pain l had when l woke up didnt return but l was so achy and tender l was shuffling about when l had to move, I never called the doctor ( l guess with fibro you get used to ;suffering; it out.... yeaterday my stomach was still tender in the same places and today its not as tender.Has anyone experienced anythign like this? I really thought my appendix or something was bursting. Im not asickly person but l was reaching with the pain. Was also wonmdering if anyone who takes amitripyline has had this? I believe its used in children to stop them bedwetting and lm just wondering if maybe its doing soemthing to my bladder as whilst l can urinate l cant 'rush' the flow anymore. Anyway will leave it here or l will blab on. Thanks guys xxx ps l only take 5/10mcgs amitrip... dont like it and dont want to take more!lol
You don't say if you seen a doctor or had tests. I had something similar a couple of days ago it felt like I had a kidney stone. The symptoms were similar to yours but pain on the left. I also take amatryptilin 10mg, at such low levels doctors prescribe it as an antinflamitry drug. My doc thought I had ME and amatryptilin was going to help.
Its a bit strange you having the samething after taking amatryptilin, I did end up in hospital but there was no sign of stones, but the pain was surely real.
I don't thing I have ME CFE or Fybro, i was lucky to find my severe pain I suffered for over 10 years came from what is called a Richters' Hernia. Symptoms are same as ME CFS Fybro & IBS and also look like heart attack, chest problems, bowel problems because it throws up different symptoms over the years.
My story is a long one with a long fight against doctors who didn't believe me, it nearly killed me in the end. I only say this because a few weeks ago my doc said I had ME after months of pain again but I think the Rhicter's hernia is back which is not good for me. If you want to know more let me know.
CFS, ME, Fybro are used when docs don't have a clue or cant see it on a scan, my condition could not be tested for or seen. Also the fact it happens more in women vary rarely and men virtually never makes doctors over look it.
Hernias have a lot to answer for but are hard to find.
Hi there nice to meet you and thanks for your reply x I was prescribed the amitryp to relax my muscles get a lot of muscle spasms in back and morning stiffness and pain. Ive been taking ami for 4/5 months. This is the 2nd time lve tried to reply my laptop keeps going off grrr lol. I never went to the docs this time to be honest l think l waste my time going all they do is offer you more pain killers well here in the Uk they do and/or antidepressants! Mind the state l was in l should of called an ambulance at least then l would of been thoroughly examined! Anyway lve never ever experienced that pain before and l know it wasnt the food we all ate the same...l never felt well the day before headaches dizziness no appetite... in the past lve had lower stomach tenderness and seen the doc and once it was a urine infection. Ive also had a right sided pain before when starting to wee whcih was severe and made me sit bolt up right and grab my side this hasnt happened for a few months and has only happened a few times.. l thought it was cos my period was due...when l see the doc about this she never found anything. I guess if it happens again l SHOULD insist they check me out proper!Id love to hear about your case if you dont mind and have time l hope your ok now? Will leave it here cant remember what else l wrote about before l lost connection grrr will look up about the richters hernia see what it says thanks again take care x
hi thier niecsey! i hope you are feeling much better. based on your symptoms, you most likely had a kidney stone. i realize i am not a doc but i've had kidney stones for 15 yrs and it is a pretty distinctive pain. i've probably had at least 25 between both kidneys. now i only have my left one. i had to have right removed due to complications from severe endometriosis. if you get pain that radiates from your back to the front/groin area; you should be careful...that is sometimes indication that your kidney is blocked from stone(s). i've been taking amitrip for quite a long time and my urologist has never said a word about it. i was just taken off of topomax bcuz it caused stones. that really sucked bcuz the topomax really helped me out with pain, etc... well, enough rambling on from me...have a good, pain-free night!!!
Well it is very bad news for me, after just visiting my doc we have concluded the Richterís hernia is back. I am currently laid up in bed in absolute agony and back on the pain relief I had back then, Tramadol Hydrochloride which is pretty strong stuff. This will take the edge of the pain but send me high as a kite!!! I am hoping I get to se the surgeon before the abscess burst because I may not survive it a second time. Here is my story;
It started in my early 20s, I would get a pain in the left side just under the rib cage and in my abdomen. It wasn't severe at the time so I just ignored it. It would only last for a couple of days and then go, it was on and off for a few months but not creating any problems. Then after a year it hit me with vengeance, I was doubled over with pain. It lasted a couple of days then subsided, didn't think anything of it, didn't visit a doctor so carried on as usual. The pain did come back like before on and off but this time a little stronger. After a few years I learned to live with the pain, it was only after my bowel movement became very irregular. I started to pass mucus with the stools, thatís when I decided to see my doctor.
I told him what had happened so he ordered a barium enema to check out my intestines, they also test my stool samples. Everything came back normal, I was happy there was nothing wrong but felt like I had wasted everyoneís time. Over the next few years the on off pain in the left steadily got worse. I started to get chest pains with it. I never saw a doctor because the pain was so on off on off, then I can only say I had an attack. It was a pain not felt before it was like I was having a heart attack. I was rushed into hospital and had EKGs and various test and scans for my heart but all were negative. I really did think I was wasting everyoneís time, all this pain and no answer.
I felt my doctor was beginning to get tired of me and I didn't want to visit a hospital ever again, but no matter how much I tried to hide the pain when a big pain attack came there was no hiding. I had another big pain attack whilst at work as much as I tried to tell them not to worry my yelping and inability to walk told them otherwise. I ended up in A&E going through the whole test scenario again. At this point I started to believe it was my appendix, all test were negative and they ruled out my appendix. I discussed this with my doctor who seemed disinterested gave me some pain killers and sent me home. After that I didn't see my doctors for 5 or 6 years, I just kept it to myself, I was so used to the pain I could even work with it.
It was only when I moved house and so ended up with a different doctor did things start to change. I got to admit she was a miracle worker I owe her everything. I was having bad chest pain and pain deep in the left side around the left kidney so I decided to see the new doctor. I gave her my whole history from the weird chest pains to the abdominal pain and how often they came. I was expecting a fist full of pills and a pat on the head but she turned round and said 'we cannot have this you're a young man who is fit other wise. You have private medical care all this time with BUPA it's time we used it'. I was referred to a specialist who ordered every medical examination you can think of even down to a spinal tap. In the meantime I went to another specialist for pain management; she did a lumbar something another which was supposed to block the nerves in that area giving me instant pain relief. All I can say is it was a waste of time didn't even get close. So I was on a fist full of drugs which made getting through a normal day precarious at best (gabbapentin, co codamol, amartyptilin, paracetamol to name but a few).
Over a year went by with no luck but my doctor kept my chin up, my specialist surgeon decided to do exploratory laparoscopy to have a look in my stomach. By this time the pain could leave me bedridden for days. The surgeon said my appendix looks a bit abnormal, he will whip it out using key hole surgery which means I can be home within a day or 2. I checked in had the pre op briefing then woke up in a wonderful private room with tv bathroom thinking its all over. The surgeon said there would be a little pain after the op because they force air into the abdomen to give them room to move around. The pain I was feel was more than just a little bit it was a big bit. As the night came the pain worsened but I managed as night turned to day I was almost yelping it was so bad but the nurse just turned and said stop being a baby. They released me that day even though I could not walk, my sister drove me home and she was not happy with the way I looked. Every bump in the road was greeted with a scream.
I got inside and clambered into bed dosed up with tramadol, I didn't sleep much because I was constantly sick all night long. The next day my mother looked in on me, she said I didn't look god and that the doctor should be called. Me being stubborn said no I will be alright, it was when my sick was black bile that I thought maybe I should call the doctor. The doctor took one look at me and called an ambulance. Apparently I had turned grey and since I am a black guy it was very odd looking! I was barley conscious and sweating like mad. In all honesty I don't remember, I just remember being put in an ambulance the sirens, the surgeon saying he has to go back in then waking up 5 days later in the intensive care unit.
What had happened was when the surgeon had taken out my appendix he had disrupted the Richterís hernia and caused the abscess to burst. As he was not aware it was there he sewed me up and sent me home to perish. I had got septicaemia from the abscess, one more night at home and I would not have woken up. When I awoke in ICU the nurse said you are lucky the surgeon didn't think you were going to make it. I can say the recovery was just as painful as problem.
A Richterís hernia is when there is a hole in your pelvic bone, your intestine rest on you pelvic bone and can grow into the hole. Imagine blowing a balloon up against a wall that has a hole. As the balloon grows it fills the hole. An abscess forms in the hole behind the intestine. It is impossible to detect by x-ray or scan and will not show up in any blood test. The symptoms can range from feeling you're having a heart attack to groin pain to severe chest pain to irritable bowl syndrome. The only way of finding one is if you have exploratory laparoscopy or it burst in which your health dateriates rapidly over a couple of days, similar to burst appendix.
I've been a little unlucky because my symptoms have resembled ME/CFS over the last few months until now where I have the severe pain in my side. My surgeon could not repair the hole last time because it was all about saving my life. Hopefully this time he will be able to get to the hernia first clean it out and fill the hole so it will not happen again. As I am not in private health care anymore I have to wait 3 weeks to see him. Itís not classed as life threatening until it burst and because it is something that females get more than men, and even then in females it's very rare doctors don't believe me when I tell them.
I think it is something that is overlooked by many doctors simply because you can not see it. I truly believe that there are many people out there that are suffering with a similar hernia, they have many symptoms but cannot find a cause after extensive scans blood tests and x-rays. Doctors will put it down to CFS/ME Fibromyalgia and try pain management. I believe where there is pain there is a cause.
If your pain is severe but test are negative hernias should be considered, the only problem is very few doctors will sanction exploratory laparoscopy. There is not much research on Richterís Hernias and I know many doctors have never even heard of it (I have asked doctors when I have been admitted to hospitals and they always say never heard of it and ask me to tell my story). I know it is extremely rare in men but I can say first hand that it is extremely debilitating and painful. If women get it more than men then there are people out there that have it but don't know and can't trace the symptoms back to it because it is largely undocumented. If someone has it but doesn't have the abscess they could possibly spend their whole life in pain and not know.
I hope this is of some help and that you find some relief soon. Wish me luck and pray it doesn't burst before the surgeon gets to it. As I roll around in pain watching tv I begin to hope that there are more doctors like House who go all out to find the problem he may be fictional but he aint half funny! (you can see I'm leading a sad life watching TV dramas)
wow Mark!! I hope your going to be ok!!!???? Thanks for taking all the time to write back to me in such details! You must be so fed up l really feel for you... you have been through hell! I guess your in the Uk too? You mentioned Bupa. I know how you feel watching tv lol when lm aching etc l end up on my bed with tv on too and dont we all wish we could have a real life 'house'? lol bear in mind he would half kill us first lol, Im sorry this is short but l will be back soon laptop keeps packing up. Thanks again and lm sure lots of the others will come on soon to join in the topic you take care x
Hi just briefly this is whats been happening to me..... now and again l get this severe pain sometimes stabbing in my sternum area l firs noticed this happening before my period was due... then it got to the point where it would happen any time of the month. I cant really describe it it hurts lasts for seconds but feel longer. Sometimes it can be off and on for days other times it might just happen once. This has been going on for a few years. I was diagnosed with graves disease nealry 5 years ago but l know l had it alot longer before that... l ended up getting a thyroidectomy nearly 2 years ago as my levels couldnt be controlled l was drug resistant kept getting more and more hyper despite large doses of meds to control it. I also noticed my upper body is weak, for example if l carry a few shopping bags l pay for it for days achy ribs sternum pain etc the cold also has this effect on me too. I also get another pain not often l would say just at bottom of left rib cage that feels like a pulling? down towards my middle of stomach but its one sided.I get a lot of aches in my ribs a few days before Sundays episode l had a few nights bad rib pain bottom right even my ribs were painful to touch l could hardly move. I also get what l call upper middle of back muscle spasms, lower sacrum area stiffness and pain and pain where my bra fastens. By evening l really feel like l am swollen around my ribs clothes feel so uncomftable. I hope you dont mind me writing all this l think you have enough on your plate! to be listening to me! My fingers are swollen and through the night l cannot take of my rings. Sunday l also noticed l had deep rings around my lower legs where my socks had been they are not tight... they stayed that way for hours even when l had removed them had a bath etc. If its not one thing its another l hope this is making sense? lol I could go on and on but will leave it here let you watch HOUSE lol you take care of yourself and thanks for replying lm sure you will help many people here without realising it. Take care Mark thinking of you and wishing you a speedy recovery x
I've been in agony pretty much all day, the meds proscribe are not working. The doc has done me a new prescription which has just arrived Dihydrocodine, she says it really strong stuff, we will just have to see! I read your reply earlier but not been able to reply until now. I've not slept since last saturday I am now so tired I fall asleep standing up, as soon as I fall asleep I am awoken by the pain. Its almost like a torture ritual fall asleep then bam pain kicks in. I am a bit fed up, I just don't see an end to it I'm hoping the pain will subside soon. How are you doing? The symptoms you discribed is pretty much what I've been through over the years. Have you ever had a rash either on your hands like dermititis or your body?
Hi Mark sorry your having such a rough time l bet your so fed up nothing worse when you cant help yourself l cant believe you have to wait around at home in pain like that with the risk of your hernia bursting!!! No lve never had a rash on my hands or my body. Even as a kid l never caught one childhood disease lol eg measles mumps chicken pox l ailed nothing as a child but l guess lm making up for it now I had a bit pain today when l needed the loo bad stomach cramps (nothing like that sunday)which lasted a while l tried antacids and pain killers just incase but it seemed to settle of its own accord. I dont know whether this is connected but lve just noticed when l eat anything l feel light headed almost dizzy?come to think of it l felt like that Ssturday before Sundays epsiode hmmmm. Will watch it. Anyway dont worry about not been able to answer my posts l know your not well so get yourself some sleep if possible lve had them pain killers before they didnt agree with me hope they help you l also have some tramadol which l havnt tried yet l hate meds always scared of side effects!! Take care Mark x
I am wondering if you have had children. The reason I ask is my sister had a child who is now 15. For nearly 13 years she had those symptoms you have, she was diagnosed with critical fatigues syndrome with IBS. She was told to manage it with different meds and lifestyle changes. It was only when she ended up in hospital for something the doctor did a quick examination of her stomach. He said to her do you know you have a hernia, she was a bit supprised because her regular doctor had examined her many times and not noticed. Apparently she got it after having her child and has lived with it for so long. She had it corrected a couple of years ago and her health is back to normal she even lost weight. The more I read about Fibromyalgia, CFS IBS the more I believe some people have hernias that have gone undiagnosed. The symptoms of my hernia are the same as Fibro, CFS IBS but I know what I have.
It is worth asking your doc to check closely for a hernia of some type, you may be suffering where a simple op like my sister had could change everything.
I suffer bad IBS from fibro and perhaps you should look into the symptoms of that and see if it is the issue. It can be treated, but of course with more drugs or diet changes you may not be able to deal with right now
I agree, I've got FMS and IBS too, and they often go hand in hand. I'm actually going to the dr next week to see if I can get some meds for my IBS, it's always been a problem, but it's been getting worse the last few months. You should go talk to your dr too. It's no fun to have all of these problems, but we all have to take them one at a time.
Hi there :0 l know this is an old post now but just to let you guys know a few days after starting this thread l was ill again and rushed into hospital where it was discovered l have a 3 inch ovarian cyst on my right ovary! I am seeing the gyny again next month. Had another scan a few weeks ago and its still there same size will let you know what happens just thought l would follow post through incase anyone else is going through the same symptoms. Thanks again x