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Old 08-21-2009, 05:10 AM   #1
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bad bone spur news yesterday

Well after being diagnosed with hallux rigidus last dec. on my left foot, went to the doctor yesterday, because the day after fathers day, i was walking and my big toe on my right foot made a crunch noise on every step and was in bad pain for one week, 8 weeks later, finally went to the doctor and also have a spur on my right big toe. I have been wearing the carbon steel inserts and that helped my left foot, but my right one is still hurting. I don't understand why the one that is so much smaller hurts 10 times more. Doc
gave me a shot and it helped, but I really think I am going to have to go for
the surgery. Doctor is well reccommended and know, so I am not worried about him, I am more worried about being a cripple. Could I please hear all good and bad cheilectomy stories.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

Well, I'm probably the poster child on these boards for a good outcome. Mine was in 2003 and I jog several times a week. Wear heels (though no more 3" ones!) and have no problems. I do take 2 Aleve every morning and I can tell it if I don't. But I'm fine. Other toe will probably have to be done down the road. but I rotate my jogging shoes, switch them over to yard shoes after 400 miles or so. that's about it. Just be sure of your surgeon, do the exercises no matter how much it may hurt and just hang in. Remember, Shaquille O'neal had one in 2003 and he's still playing basketball!

 
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:33 AM   #3
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

I am sure of the surgeon, you may not remember, but your Doctor(Goulds)
referred him to me. His asst said he has done movie stars, and I know he has done sports figures, she said people come from all over to see him. I am in Atlanta. I guess I am just really nervous. I know you had a good outcome, and I am wondering if I am just making more out of this. whats to keep it from coming back again. I definitely will wear the steel inserts no matter what.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

Well, yes, you can do more damage down the road after the surgery and need a fusion. However, I think knowing what caused it in the first place and modifying your activities to forestall that happening is best option. Now I'm in good running shoes, rotate them, ditch them with too many miles, wear lower heels, etc. You'll be fine!

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

I think my problem was probably due to bad shoes, but I can't ever be for sure. I never have been a everyday runner, but I have been lifting weights for 25 years. I am only 43 and have kids 9 and 7 years old, this justed started happening about 1 and half years ago. I just don't want to
make the wrong decision and end up a cripple. I have read more horror stories than good stories. Titchou, i am very gratefull to you because I probably would not have gotten a second opinion if I wouldn't have seen this board and your posts. I had already scheduled surgery back in Dec with a general ortho. Like I told you I am ok with my new ortho/foot/ankle specialist. I just have to make the decision. See him Sept 15th. again.
I have been praying to make the right decision.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

What most prople don't realize is that the great toe balances your whole body. People who lose their big toes have to learn how to walk and stand all over again as there is nothing to balance with. So even your long term weight work is causing pressure. Stop and think how you balance when doing squats. I work out as well and since I started doing that I have noticed even more how important that toe is. My trainer loves the inflated discs to balance on while doing curls. I don't know how anyone without a big toe would do it!
We just don't realize the beating that joint takes every day....and the bigger you are, the more it takes.

I would say as long as the pain can be controlled by medication or orthotics, I'd put it off. When nothing else is helping, then go for the surgery.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

well the orthotics have worked on my left foot, but not my new problem right foot.
it is really bothering me. dont understand why my right foot with a much smaller spur hurts more. 2 months ago it was fine. the day my toe crunched been hurting bad. Don't want to have to get shots all the time. I really don't know what to do.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

If all you have is the spur, that's no big deal. Removal is quite simple. It;s the whole turf toe issue that takes a lot of work: spurs, chips, loss of cartilege. Just getting rid of the spur is not as invasive and has a much shorter recovery period.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

Titchou,
I was wondering how you are jogging. Didn't you just have one toe done.
Now that I have it in both toes, I can't imagine jogging even if one was ok.
Do you have any pain at all in the one you had done still. Because I noticed you still take aleve. I am trying to get as much info as possible. Also was wondering, what keeps the spurring from coming right back.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

Well, it isn't as bad in the other toe...much smaller bump. And the Aleve takes care of it. If I don't take the Aleve, I have pain in it. When the Aleve or Mobic (which is my only other option) no longer work, then I'll have it fixed.

Have you seen your x-rays? Mine had a "cloud" over the joint which was all the bone chips. It was quite pronounced on the left one and barely visible on the right.

In the surgery, they drill holes to promote scar tissue growth in the cartilege. That helps to cushion the joint and prevent return. However, keep in mind, whatever caused the deterioration in the first place will continue it if you don't make modifications - such as I no longer wear 3 inch heels every day - down to 1-1/2 to 2 inch. And I now run in excellent shoes (Saucony Hurricanes) that were fitted by a professional running shop rather than whatever cross trainers I might have in the closet and I dump them after 400 miles.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

yes, I have seen them. it is like a cloud like you said. I think wearing bad tennis shoes is actually what caused this. about 1 and half years ago bought a pair and my feet were killing me and my left foot was always making a bone crunch noise. I just don't understand my right foot was just fine the day before fathers day this year and like I told you when I was walking across parking lot my toe made the same crunch noise and my foot was killing me for the rest of the week, so I put orhtotics in that foot also, but still crunches every once in a while. xray def showed bone spur. but was it there to begin with and when I stepped a certain way made it hit now or what. all i know is it is barely visible also, but hurts much more than the other fit which is very visible. I am actually considering doing both at the same time. I don't know if I could handle going through rehab twice. I did change my shoes also and they did help before i hurt my right foot also. I wish the doctor would tell me what to do. the shot he gave me didn't do anything. I am not a runner and I never did my lower body when weightlifting, so I am at a loss to what caused this other than the shoes.

 
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

Well, I can't tell you how many women end up with this due to high heels! So it very well could be the shoes. Rehab is nothing so don't worry about that! It's just pulling the toe and moving it up and down lots of times a day. I did it on my own. And I know several people who have done both at the same time. it should not be a problem - I walked out of the surgery center - on crutches but I walked! Was only off work 5 days and then back full time. I was sales rep so I could work my schedule easily to fit my walking ability. I think I went dancing at about 4-5 weeks - wore my Merrell slip ons with duct tape on the bottom so they would slide on the wooden dance floor! (Hey, I'm the one who jogged 2 miles a week after having her gallbladder out so I'm known for getting up and out!).

Just be sure of the surgeon. And do the exercises - even if it hurts. I found doing them at night when I took a bath was best as the warm water helped make the muscles work better - warmed them up.

 
Old 08-26-2009, 12:20 PM   #13
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Re: bad bone spur news yesterday

Talking to you definitely helps. I am as sure as I can be about the surgeon.
I know he has done nfl and nba players, for spurs on the ankles. Dr. Goulds
said he trained under him and was excellent. I don't feel like I can find any better, than driving to Birmingham and using Dr. Goulds which is not practical for me. I guess the rehab has me worried along with the chance of it not fixing the pain.

 
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