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Old 01-09-2007, 02:49 AM   #1
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HI I was just wondering if anyone still uses this message board.
I sprained my ankle 8 months ago. Went to the doctor the day after the injury and he told me it was a sprain. Sever pain persissted a little more than a month after the inital injury. I went back to him and he told me to deal with it, it was a sprain and he didn't know what to do with it and he sent me to PT.
I went to PT for about 8 weeks and it wasn't helping, so I stopped going. I then just lived with the pain. I would come home from working 8 hrs or so and I wouldn't be able to walk on my ankle without extreme pain. So about 6 months after the injury I went to see a Sports Doctor. I went in and he told me Osteochondritis in the talor dome, before I even got x-rays. I got x-rays and it confirmed it. He immediatly put me in a walking cast/boot. I then got an MRI and it determined me to be Stage One, the least serious stage. I went back about 5 weeks after getting the boot and my pain was still there. So he put me on crutches for 3 weeks. I went back 3 weeks later and still had sever pain. Then he suggested putting me in a cast for 3 weeks.
I am 2 weeks into the cast and am still having sever pain. He suggested that after these first 3 weeks he might put me in a new cast for 3 more weeks. I've been dealing with all of this for about 3 months not including the first 6 months.
Surgery is the last option and I wanted to know how invasive it was and how soon did you go back to work. I was a dance/gymnast/cheerleader before this, some doctors have told me if i have the surgery of bone drilling and grafting, I will never be able to do the things I love again.

Is this true based on what has happened to you??? And what should I do???

 
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Re: Talar Dome Bruise

There are a few us floating around still, some doing better than others. Your OCD is a stage one, but I understand that sometimes those can be just as painful as a stage 2 or 3. Obviously you have casted for quite a while, has anyone tried a cortizone shot just to see if it clears up your inflamation before you start thinking more about surgery?

The surgery depends on where the OCD is located on the talus dome and how big it is. If it is easy to access, it can be done arthroscopically, but you will must likely be NWB for six weeks at a minimum. Will you be able to do everything you loved to do before - maybe, there are no guarantees with this surgery - I can't say no or yes only your body and time can determine that.

My OCD was a stage 3/4 on the medial side of the ankle. It was 1cm x 7mm and 4mm deep. I am also older, 42 to be exact, with a previously injured ankle. My surgery was 4/25/06, my ankle continues to improve and I have good days and bad. My recommendation is to find an Orthopedic Surgeon and specializes in the Foot & Ankle.

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Old 01-09-2007, 03:45 PM   #3
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Re: Talar Dome Bruise

Hey,

I believe I did significant damage to my ankle (via bad sprain...lateral/anterior location...ultimately a stage IV injury) back in 1999, then to Podiatrist within 12 months (took that long for chronic pain to begin), who diagnosed as tendinitis (no x-ray, two cortizone shots, custom orthotics). Lived with it (pain really never diminished) for 2 1/2 more years, until went to local orthopedic surgeon in early 2003, who x-rayed/CT Scan and did arthro to remove loose fragment/remove spurs but didn't treat talar dome lesion which was clearly present. Little improvement until got much worse in early 2006, at which point went back to OS who referred me to foot/anke OS. Specialist diagnosed instantly by looking at old x-ray/CT Scan and new CT Scan (commenting "what did the OS do in '03?").

She gave me options of debridement/drilling or perhaps transfer (although she doesn't recommend for my age (46 but still very active) so I had arthroscopic debridment/drilling procedure 10/5/06. Was 8 weeks NWB, and 6 weeks WB since, with physical therapy 2 to 3 times a week for 6 weeks.

What I can tell you is that my pain post surgery and post weight bearing was worst than ever for first 2 to 3 weeks, but has improved gradually since. Pain currently is "different" than what experienced for most of 7 years with defect, but can't say it's lesser pain. I won't attempt any mid to high impact (basketball, tennis, light running) for at least another month and I'm somewhat doubtful but still hopeful that will be improved over pre-surgery.

Like eko said, there really are no guarantees with this injury and surgical results vary based on age, health, your individual body's healing and certainly the skill and experience of your surgeon.

If I were you (or had to do over again), I'd get the best doctor your insurance/time/money can afford (ankle/foot orthopedic specialist or a very specifically-experienced podiatrist, perhaps) and get his/her opinion and recommendation, then spend some more time researching (Google Osteochondral Defect (or Lesion, Injury in place of Defect) of Talus and you'll find a wealth of general information. Act as quickly as you can in order to get comfortable with a decision....hoping/believing that it will get better (without treatment) through PT (unless that's what your new-found qualified specialist tells you) or "over time" would in my opinion be something you'll likely regret.

I knew going in to my surgery that odds were slightly in my favor of gaining significant improvement but also a decent chance that wouldn't improve to level that would allow me to do the active things I love to do (as sounds like you are concerned about as well) but I was willing to take that chance because without something changing, I was definitely not going to continue those activities.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Talar Dome Bruise

HI....thanks for the replies and your information. It helped me, but here's a little more information on my situation....


Well lets see...I'm 19 years old and have been dancing for over 15 years, so dancing is a huge deal with me and I would like to be able to continue it. I was very active and still am in good shape and health. I have one major problem on top of the ankle thing....my insurance runs out completly at the end of January. So the time is ticking. And the soonest I will be able to get insurance back would be June. I don't think I could live with this for another 5 months or so. So this puts me in a little bit of a pickle.

I believe my injury is in the lateral part of the talor dome. I havn't had inflimation since I had the cast on, and have only had it twice since I've gotten, but the one night my ankle hurt so bad I was gonna cut the cast off myself!!!!

Well my sports medicane doctor did show it to one of his foot/ankle doctors and he didn't think I would need surgery. But I'm not to sure if I trust him, because I knoiw a physical therapist and she said that she wouldnt let him( the foot/ankle doc) operate on her dog, i she had one. So i am thinkin about having the other sports medicane doctor who also does arthroscopic surgery look at it. I might be going to the doctor this thursday instead of waiting until next week tuesday. So I dont' know.

Time is ticking.....

 
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Re: Talar Dome Bruise

I will talk to the doctor about cortizone when I next see him.

 
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