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Old 02-10-2006, 03:19 AM   #1
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Question no nausea, vomiting or diarreah...could it be gallbladder?

Hi...Please help me and read this..I am feeling desparate...

Trying to figure out this pain I'm going through here....for those of you that have been through gallbladder disorders....

I have all the symptoms of a GB problem, intense pain in upper abs, (middle mostly), and under right breast, sometimes all the way across), and horrible stabbing pain between the shoulder blades. (Pain wearing bras too, sometimes severe) If I eat a fatty meal, it takes only from 45 to 6O min. to feel intense pain coming on. It can last for 12 hours or so, and then be real sore and uncomfortable for days.

I think I see most GB people tho with diarreah, but I have more constipation. I do get gassy too. No vomiting ever, but I think I have felt a little nausea a couple of times.

I had an abdominal ultra sound last week, and everything looked fine, no stones. I know tho that we don't have to have stones to have GB troubles.

I'm keeping my fats down to a minimum, and it does help, but it still aches or down right hurts bad all the time. I'm so miserable. Oh, I do have reflux/heartburn on and off as well.

So now my GP wants to test me, (blood test) for H-Pylori tomorrow...I feel my symptoms are too severe to be that. Everything I see on the boards when others are talking about their GB pain, matches up with my symptoms.

Could someone please answer these few questions for me??
1. Can you have GB disease w/o having nausea, vomiting, and diarreah?

2. Can you have severe pain in your upper abs, (for almost 2 years now) and mid back, from H-Pylori infection w/ ulcers?

Have appt with my Dr. on Monday, and I'm going to try (force her!) to get her to okay a Hida Scan.

Thanks for your help you guys....
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Old 02-10-2006, 10:11 PM   #2
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Re: no nausea, vomiting or diarreah...could it be gallbladder?

Hi, sorry you are having these problems. I was diagnosed with a bum gallbladder in late December (no stones, only working at 30%) and was supposed to have surgery twice but postponed the first time because I saw a GI dr and he wanted to do an endoscopy first, second time because I came down with a sinus infection last week so have to reschedule. I had a quite a few tests, and the only test that showed it was the hida scan, so I hope you can get one. I too am miserable and want this out!!

1. Can you have GB disease w/o having nausea, vomiting, and diarreah?
I do, my symptoms are constant pain on right side under ribcage that radiates to the left side and back after eating, especially after a fatty meal (which I dont think I have had in two months because the pain gets soo bad).

2. Can you have severe pain in your upper abs, (for almost 2 years now) and mid back, from H-Pylori infection w/ ulcers?
This I dont know. I also had and endoscopy done last month to make sure that was not the problem also, but was negative.

Good luck, let us know how it goes!
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Old 02-11-2006, 12:40 AM   #3
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Re: no nausea, vomiting or diarreah...could it be gallbladder?

Thank you, VAN, for being so nice and answering my questions. So you didn't have stones either? I was hoping it would be easy, and my ultrasound would show a whole big load of stones, but no such luck!! Now I have to see my Dr. on Monday morning, and see if she'll agree to letting me get a Hida scan. All I can say is ...she better. We'll see...

Know what ya mean about not eating fats. I'm trying my hardest to barely have any. Today was the best day that I've had in so long, probably coz I've been staying so low on the fats. Well today, I barely ate anything, (out of frustration, and fear...like, what is there good to eat, anyway?) I did have my protein shakes, as they are nutricious, and a raisen bagel with non fat yogurt on top of it, and later an apple. Well tonight I looked in the pantry for a little snack, and all I had was like 3 whole graham crackers, forgetting to check the nutrition label....so I ate them, then I panicked and went to check...I think it was only 3 little grams of fat AND STILL, about 45 min. later, here comes the bad pain, AGAIN....and tightness...I get tightness really bad...do you get this too? I've seen some other people say they do.

That's too bad Van that your surgery got delayed....what a dissapointment that must be!! Hey, by the way, before surgery, do you have to have any special tests or x-rays, (like chest x-rays) blood work, ....just wondering.

I hope all goes well for you, and all of your pain is gone after your surgery, and no more pain or problems! (I'm envious, as I can't wait to get this out too...if it is GB, which I'm like 98% sure it is).

Thank you VAN...
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Re: no nausea, vomiting or diarreah...could it be gallbladder?

Hi Deda, no problem I totally understand what you are going through!

No stones, I was kind of hoping the same thing since then you KNOW that is what is causing the problems, instead of what the surgeon and drs are telling me...it is "probably" causing them and I "should" benefit from having my gb removed. I was at first iffy about doing it, so went to a GI dr beforehand but he couldnt find anything. My other dr also did a barium enima (horrible) and did find a few diverticula but told me that would not cause the pain. Now I am just sooo tired of feeling bad I want it out!! Since I have to reschedule my dr also wanted me to get an ultrasound, so doing that on Monday to hopefully make sure it is my gb. Sorry, Im rambling now.

I hear you about the eating, the only plus side of this is I am losing weight. I have found I am pretty restricted to chicken, rice, turkey, bread, plain pasta, veggies, fruit, low-fat crackers and olive oil. I cannot tell you how tired I am of eating the same thing day after day. What kind of protein shakes do you have? That is a good idea...

Before surgery you do have to have bloodwork done (I have to redo mine since it is only good for a month). Other than that, nothing by mouth the night before. It is done lapriscopically (if possible) so is outpatient which is good.

I hope your dr sends you for a HIDA scan (uncomfortable procedure because you have to fast, get an IV and lay still for two hours) but worth it! Let me know what your dr says and I hope you have more good days than bad until you can get it out!

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Re: no nausea, vomiting or diarreah...could it be gallbladder?

Hi there Van...

Girl, you sure have gone through the whole plethora of medical tests, haven't you, and mostly GI at that?? How long have you been dealing with this nightmare? I've had this/these pains now for at least 18 months now, as I thought it was like musculoskeletal pain caused from my low thyroid levels, while I was trying to get my levels regulated. I thought once my levels were regulated, it would go away.

There are other weird symptoms I have...like pain from wearing a bra. (I've seen a few other women with GB say they have this too) It is the most horrid pain imaginable...feels like I'm being choked to death with my own bra! At least it's not 24/7 tho, but I notice when an attack comes on, that will happen too...why, I don't know??? Possibly swelling?? Sometimes that stomach area, right in the middle of my upper abs, feels swollen....as if there's a large water balloon in there, getting bigger and bigger! oh...it's all so scary! And the pain in my back is killer. Sometimes that's in the mid back, right wear my bra snaps, and sometimes it moves upwards to my upper back, between my shoulder blades. Yikes,...this is so terrible. If I ever get this pain to all go away, I will be ever so grateful.

I was in Safeway with my hubby kind of late last night...just looking for some real low, or non fat snacks...I bought some sourdough English muffins and a small bag of baked potato chips. I miss eating something really good. It's funny, but a girlfriend told me yesterday, that when she has been restricted from certain foods for health reasons, she wanted those foods even more...and I had to agree! I'm not a big meat eater, but last weekend we were in Reno at the casinos, and all I could see was the waitresses walking past our table carrying plates of steaks! Ohhh. I wanted a small prime rib SO badly!! I sat there instead and ate a fruit platter with yogurt...not that I don't like that, but I'm sick of fruit and all this SAME food, over and over again!

I hope my Dr. doesn't recommend any barium enama, that does sound horrible...you poor thing. She did give me the kit for a fecal smear test, but it's kind of complicated....no aspirin or NSAIDS for 1 week before the "smear"...and yet I take aspirin often for my headaches and all these other pains, that are all probably attributed to this GB problem. And they want 3 smears from that! (Sounds gross, I know!)

No one in my family, (that I know of) has had this. How about you...does it run in your family?

Oh, the protein shakes...it is Whey Protein, (powder) that I get at a Vitamin store. (big tub of it for about 22.OO when on sale...it lasts me a couple of months). I drink usually one per day, sometimes 2. I feel like, I need to get some good nutrients, as I'm not really eating a great diet right now,...so much is missing. These shakes have all of our essential amino acids which are so important for good health. I mix mine with OJ, but you can also mix em with skim milk...I just find it blends better with the OJ. They tatse really good.

I miss my scrambled eggs, Van, so I bought "eggbeaters", but I also heard that eggs of any type are bad for GB.

I did a search the other day on "gallbladder diet", and there were a few foods on there that I would have never expected to be taboo, like corn! There were a few others there that surprised me too. I need to go back there and print it out. I also found out that bananas are a big bad food for GB as well. Last Saturday I had one, and felt horrible for 3 days. I had been eating about 3 or 4 a week, not knowing they cause pain too. I can't live like this much longer...it's not fun having to check everything you eat. And it sure is a drag going out to eat anymore...might as well stay home.

I can't remember what you told me before....did you "pass" your Hida scan? Good luck with your GB ultrasound this Monday...hope it shows stones or something to let you know for sure that you're dealing with GB disease. I've heard that some people's even comes out fine, but then when they took it out, they found it badly diseased anyway. Weird...huh?

Please let me know how your U S turns out this Monday, and thank you for replying.

Hope we get past this soon...
Hope your weekend is not going too bad...no severe pain, and feeling okay. BTW...do you have some pain, (or discomfort) even tho your not having an attack? I'm finding that I always feel somewhat crappy,...well, not always, but often.And tired too.

Take care, Van...
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Old 02-12-2006, 07:12 AM   #6
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Re: no nausea, vomiting or diarreah...could it be gallbladder?

Hey Deda, we are SOOO on the same page right now! Yes, all the tests have been GI tests (catscans, hida scan, barium enima, endoscope so far). I have been dealing with this since November...I cannot imagine 18 months! I did NOT pass my hida scan, it is only working at 30% and they want to see at least 35%.

I too get pains from my bra! I am soo glad you said that because I thought I was crazy. It is not all the time, but when it does happen that baby has to come off (good thing I work from home, lol). And I have the same swollen feeling under my ribcage...and sometimes when you look you can see it, gross. My pain in my back seems to be on my left side mostly, does yours feel like a burning pain sensation?? I also always have a "feeling" even when I wake up in the morning and my stomach is completely empty. It is a pressure or sensation, what is yours like?

My dr thinks since I am having left side pain along with the right side pain, I may be one of the rare people that has a nerve running across. It took the 4th dr to even know this was a possibility. That is why I keep having tests, even after I failed the hida scan.

I am the same way as you about red meat, I didnt eat it often but man I like a good steak every now and then. That had to be tought seeing it right in your face. Ya know, I tried the baked chips but those kill me, I hope they are ok for you. I got eggbeaters too, but never use it because eggs with nothing else but bread does not seem appealing to me, kwim? I did not know that about bananas...I have been trying to eat more of them lately because of the fiber...I willl have to pay more attention. Can you share that webiste with me on gallbladder diet?

I am going to look into those shakes, do you know if they have alot of fiber in it?

What are the smear tests looking for, do you know? That doesnt sound like fun either.

My mom did have to have her gallbladder out, she had awful digestive issues later in life...unfortunately I seem to be following suite. I just had a baby 7 months ago, so my dr seems to think that is what caused it to stop working properly, since pg can cause gallbladder problems (mostly stones though).

I am always tired too, wonder if that is related to the gb disease or if we are just tired of feeling like crap all the time?!

Hang in there, try to enjoy the rest of your weekend and let me know what your dr says tomorrow!

((BIG HUGS))
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Old 02-15-2006, 12:43 AM   #7
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Re: no nausea, vomiting or diarreah...could it be gallbladder?

Hi Van...

Sorry...been so busy for 2 days, and was also was feeling fairly well, (surprise!) so I managed to get a few things done, and got to get out all day on Sunday and enjoy the good weather.

So, your Hida scan results came out below normal range, so I was wondering why this Dr. wants to give you another ultrasound? Maybe he just wants to double check and be more sure there is disease before he takes a good organ out? I guess that's good, he sounds like a good Dr., trying to be thorough and all.

Van, my backpain feels more like a knife is going into it, a big knife, and feels like it's going in real deep! But I have read of others having burning pain in their backs too. Sometimes too, it just feels extremely stiff, and my front feels stiff too, like under my breasts...also sometimes it feels numb, or hard. Do you ever feel like that?

Hey...so glad to hear you have that bra thing too...sometimes I think I'm just going nuts. imagining these crazy pains. Yep, that bra of mine gets ripped off too! LOL I'm like a little Gypsy Rose Lee, (a stripper) lol...as some days it goes off and on all day. Funny thing is..I never was one that liked to go bra-less, in fact, I just don't like the way it feels. But it feels worse when it hurts, as if it's cutting me in half or something...ugh...what an ugly feeling. Yes, lucky for you that you work at home! I'm no longer working, as I quit my job 3 years ago due to chronic pain and this hypothyroid, just too fatigued to keep it up. I hope some day I can go back to a part time job, just to get out of the house more. My kids are grown and out of the house, so it would be nice.

How does your pain feel, Van, when your bra is hurting? Does it feel like it's getting super tight on you?...Like it's about 5 sizes too small? I even bought a larger one recently, and it still hurt!! Yeah, like you, it's not all the time, and I can go a week w/o it hurting, then will hurt for a few days. Guess it's just from inflammation, huh?

As for that GB diet Van, I can't remember the name of that website..I just typed, "gallbladder diet" into a search engine. A few will come up. The protein shakes that I buy, no, I don't think these are a high fiber type. But I do take 2 fiber pills every night to help me out. I have been very constipated with this thing. I also eat a lot of instant oatmeal and apples, etc. I don't think I really get enough fiber in my diet.

Well, I went to my Dr. yesterday. She told me again that my ultrasound looked really normal, and even the walls of my GB looked normal, not thickened or anything, and she really doesn't think that I have GB disease, but, if it helps me to relax about it, she will go ahead and set me up with the HIDA scan. Now I'm wondering if I should,...we told her, yes, go ahead and set me up. My hubby thinks that I should. I guess I'll just do it.

What was that HIDA like Van...like, how long does it take? I heard they give you a pill, or injection, or something to make your GB contract? Does it hurt bad?? (please tell me the truth, I can handle it) I think I can handle a little pain, after all of this pain that I've had!! LOL Do you have to go with an empty stomach...do you fast before it?

I think the "smear tests" just check for blood in your stool. The reason that I haven't done them yet is, it says on the directions DO NOT take any aspirins or NSAID's for 7 days before this test, (and you have to get 3 smears, meaning from 3 different days) and that's kind of difficult for me, as I do take these things due to headaches and other pains...probably all related to whatever is wrong with my digestive system. I told her when I saw her yesterday, and she said not to worry about doing it after all. I guess I'm on a waiting list for a Sigmoidoscopy,...one of these days.

My h-Pylori test did come out negative...which I was glad about, as I don't really feel like being on antibiotics, if I don't have to. Yuk!

KWYM about the eggbeater breakfast...BLAH!!! How boring!! I like my real eggs with onions in them and ketchup on top, (sometimes), toast with butter or margarine, and jelly, maybe one little sausage link! HA HA...will be so good to have some tasty food someday, again. I saw pizza when we went to a buffet on Sunday and I almost cheated!! Just for some good tasting food....a little grease!! LOL !!

Van, do you feel any little muscles tightening up in your abdominal area? I know we're all different. When I read people's post on GB, I see so many different symptoms!! It's so weird!

Wow, you just had a baby. I sure have seen a lot of women getting this after giving birth, or even while they're pregnant. Wonder if there is a hormonal connection...there must be!! I even read that taking Estrogen could be a cause, which I do take. I feel bad for you having this with a little baby to take care of...I cannot imagine! Sometimes I just have to lay down- -all day!! Bless your heart...I will say a prayer for you Van. That can't be easy to deal with this and a little infant. Babies require so much care all day...and lifting!! I'm afraid to lift anything heavy when I hurt,...like I'm afraid something will break or bust or something.

You hang in there sweetie, and keep me in touch with what's going on with you.

Hope you're feeling fairly well...
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Hey Deda, I am you have been feeling better! I have been just the opposite...it has really been acting up lately.

The only reason I am having more tests done after the hida scan is for my left side pain that is not typical for gallbladder. They want to make sure nothing else is going on. The dr I am seeing NOW is very good and thorough, but my original dr that sent me for the hida scan was NOT..I had to push just to get that test done, then once I failed he said go get your gallbladder out and didnt know what the pain on my left was. So I saw a GI and he did and endoscope (which was normal) so said go get your gallbladder out and didnt know what the pain on my left was. So finally a good friend recommended this dr and since I started seeing him I had a barium enima and ultrasound.

I do get that hard feeling from my front to back, especially when it is acting up. And when I have to take my bra off it just suddenly gets too tight and uncomfortable (like right now lol)...usually after I eat. Taking it off helps a little, but the pain is still there. I am guessing it is inflammation too!

I have to eat more fiber because we just found out I have a few diverticula from my barium enima...I did buy Metamucil wafers and some sugar-free fiber candies, yuk.

For the hida scan, you have to fast the night before...if I remember correctly NOTHING by mouth after midnight, so try to schedule your scan for first thing in the morning. You get there, they put an IV in (for the CCK) then you go lay on a nice hard table for two hours while they are scanning your gallbladder every 5-10 min. My dr ordered the CCK (fatty enzyme our bodies produce after eating a fatty meal), so they inject that through the IV halfway through or so then take continuous pics of how your gb handles it. It did make me just a little nauseous for a few min, but went away. You have to lay there for two hours, so it is long and my back did hurt (I have back problems) and I was starving, but otherwise pretty uneventful.

I am really glad you are setting up the hida scan! Listen to this...I just got my ultraound results back today and everything (including my gallbladder) looks normal. So they would have never known this could be the problem unless I did have the hida scan done!!

I hear you about breakfast...bring on the pancakes, sausage, hasbrowns, ok I have to stop!! I did sneak a bite of my husband's pizza the other night and I paid for it.

I dont feel my abdominal muscles tighten up, probably because they are soo loose right now after having a c-section. It is common to get gallstones from pregnancy, so my drs are not surprised I have gallbladder problems after having a baby, mine are just not the "typical" problems...figures lol. I really dont know how I am going to take care of my son after surgery, I heard you cant lift for a long time and he is only 7 months old so is not mobile yet and weighs 21lbs!!

I am waiting for my dr to call me back to see if there are any more tests he wants to do or if I should just reschedule the surgery.

Are you still feeling better? Let me know when your scan is scheduled for and take care of yourself. (HUGS)

VAN

 
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