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Old 07-27-2007, 03:05 PM   #1
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Anybody know much about gall bladder sludge?

Hi all! I have gall bladder sludge and am planning on having my gall bladder out in about a month or so. I've read about sludge on the internet and understand that sometimes it's worse than actual stones, but don't know that much about it. I do know that I've been having problems with itching and rashes and have had every allergy test under the sun. While the allergies they found can cause hives and rashes, I've found that when my abdomen kicks up(gall bladder stuff, excess acid), so do these reactions as well. Has anyone had a similar episode? Thanks so much--Hopeto--

 
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Old 07-31-2007, 06:31 PM   #2
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Re: Anybody know much about gall bladder sludge?

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Hi all! I have gall bladder sludge and am planning on having my gall bladder out in about a month or so. I've read about sludge on the internet and understand that sometimes it's worse than actual stones, but don't know that much about it. I do know that I've been having problems with itching and rashes and have had every allergy test under the sun. While the allergies they found can cause hives and rashes, I've found that when my abdomen kicks up(gall bladder stuff, excess acid), so do these reactions as well. Has anyone had a similar episode? Thanks so much--Hopeto--
I think people get their gall bladders removed too soon. I was told I had GB stones (sand-like) and sludge and needed mine removed ASAP. They told me it only gets worse, but mine didn't. Mine is MUCH better now almost 1 1/2 years after my first attack.

I'm thinking that my pain was not gallbladder related at all. I think my doctor told me that 90% of people by the time they die have gallstones and most of them never experience any pain from it.

Change your diet first and find the CAUSE of why your body is storing extra calcium. My diet was a mess at the time.

Revert back to basic foods: clean, filtered WATER WATER WATER, then add applesauce, broth, noodles, etc etc until you hit something that your body doesn't like then never eat that again (at least til you are 100% again).

I just had an MRI type thing on my gall bladder and my doctor said that he isn't seeing any more sludge.

Personally, I think I have a mild cast of gastroparesis (paraylzed stomach muslces) that is causing me not to be able to digest food properly.

Lastly, there is a cheap way to buy yourself some more time.

MIRALAX is a laxative that is very easy to use - 1 glass a day will keep you regular if your symptoms are anything like mine. Best $10 a week I ever spent.

I'm a believer that your body will heal itself if you give it time. Look into alternatives before you have organs removed.

I don't know of a doctor who has been sued for taking a gallbladder out when it wasn't necessary. However, if 1 person died from gallstones in the duct, then doctors now have to suggest the path of less lawsuits. You usually won't feel the effects of missing your gallbladder for 5 to 10 years and then it willl be impossible to trace the cancer back to the gallbladder removal. In fact, I had a friend's mom who had a doctor who had the nerve to tell her that her cancer was due to the fact that she waited a year to have her gallbladder removed.

I had 2 primary care doctors put me on the surgeon's calendar before they even ran tests like colonoscopy or even the camera into the stomach. They said my steroid use or my not using any more wouldn't make a difference that the symptoms would only get worse.

In my case they didn't. Most traditional and HMO doctors are it in not to get sued. If you say you have sever pain and your appendix isn't exploding, you can be tthe first thing they will say is to get your GB removed and that you don't need it anyway. Be careful....

 
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Old 08-01-2007, 05:06 PM   #3
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Hi WhatDo! I know exactly why my body is storing extra calcium. Ever sisnce I quit smoking over 3 months ago, I found a new love--ICE CREAM!! But actually, this has been coming on for the past few years. Acid reflux that doesn't go away with Protonix or Tums. I get a little more relief from Pepcid. The med assistant explained to me that gall bladder disease can be a silent thing and then all of a sudden--BANG!!--it hits you hard. Gall bladder disease runs in my family on both sides and per usual, if it's gonna happen in my family, it usually has happened to me. I've been tempted to try the cleanse things that are advertised, but I have diverticulosis, too, and can't get that thing to flare up anymore than it has in the past. I have decided to get both issues worked on this year, and hopefully something will be resolved. Right now I have to worry whether this is going to be a laparoscopic surgery or a full blown one as I have had previous belly surgeries and run the risk of adhesions. Thank you so much for your concern as I have tried to be careful in the area of surgical procedures, but as my luck always runs, they end up finding more than what my symptoms are. Take care--Hopeto

 
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Hi WhatDo! I know exactly why my body is storing extra calcium. Ever sisnce I quit smoking over 3 months ago, I found a new love--ICE CREAM!! But actually, this has been coming on for the past few years. Acid reflux that doesn't go away with Protonix or Tums. I get a little more relief from Pepcid. The med assistant explained to me that gall bladder disease can be a silent thing and then all of a sudden--BANG!!--it hits you hard. Gall bladder disease runs in my family on both sides and per usual, if it's gonna happen in my family, it usually has happened to me. I've been tempted to try the cleanse things that are advertised, but I have diverticulosis, too, and can't get that thing to flare up anymore than it has in the past. I have decided to get both issues worked on this year, and hopefully something will be resolved. Right now I have to worry whether this is going to be a laparoscopic surgery or a full blown one as I have had previous belly surgeries and run the risk of adhesions. Thank you so much for your concern as I have tried to be careful in the area of surgical procedures, but as my luck always runs, they end up finding more than what my symptoms are. Take care--Hopeto

Doctors really have no clue what causes gallbladder problems or how to fix them.

My belief is that it is either diet or hormones that cause gallbladder problems. Both of which can be altered. And since I think families generally eat the same food (my family and I all ate the same meals growing up), I think diet is something that is passed off as "hereditary".

I would check the birth control pills and see if they are affecting your digestion. Women are much more likely to develop gallbladder issues for this reason (hormones up and down from the pill or regular menstral cycles).

Once your gall bladder is gone, you can't put it back and the bile (acid) that it normally holds will just drip into your intestines the rest of your life. The younger you are the more dangerous this is. I've heard and seen many people develop cancer 5 to 10 years after having their gall bladders removed......

 
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Re: Anybody know much about gall bladder sludge?

There are two similar drugs ursodiol and actigall that can help dissolve some gallstones/sludge. They are a bit expensive and can take up to a year to fully work.

My GI has me on ursodiol and taking fish oil supplements in a conservative approach.

I think the test is the amount of pain you are in. I haven't had much pain lately, thankfully and just knowing the cause has relieved the mental stress. If I were in pain then I would have no objection to surgery, other wise I'm willing to try alternatives.

 
Old 08-01-2007, 09:54 PM   #6
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Doctors really have no clue what causes gallbladder problems or how to fix them.

My belief is that it is either diet or hormones that cause gallbladder problems. Both of which can be altered. And since I think families generally eat the same food (my family and I all ate the same meals growing up), I think diet is something that is passed off as "hereditary".

I would check the birth control pills and see if they are affecting your digestion. Women are much more likely to develop gallbladder issues for this reason (hormones up and down from the pill or regular menstral cycles).

Once your gall bladder is gone, you can't put it back and the bile (acid) that it normally holds will just drip into your intestines the rest of your life. The younger you are the more dangerous this is. I've heard and seen many people develop cancer 5 to 10 years after having their gall bladders removed......
Hi again! For WhatDo-- I am 50 years old, 10 years post hysterectomy with no estrogen supplements, so I'm sure it's a case of familial eating patterns. My sister-in-law, on the other hand, watches EVERYTHING she eats and always has and she has problems, so I'm beginning to think it's the luck of the draw. Oh well, life begins at 50, I guess!! In response to Collector: I have been suffering with this refluxing, nauseating, bloating stuff for more than a year and I suppose if my pcp said to me "You'll be looking for a surgeon", it must be bad enough, given my age also. Many thanks to you both for your ideas on this stuff. Take care--Hopeto

 
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Hi again! For WhatDo-- I am 50 years old, 10 years post hysterectomy with no estrogen supplements, so I'm sure it's a case of familial eating patterns. My sister-in-law, on the other hand, watches EVERYTHING she eats and always has and she has problems, so I'm beginning to think it's the luck of the draw. Oh well, life begins at 50, I guess!! In response to Collector: I have been suffering with this refluxing, nauseating, bloating stuff for more than a year and I suppose if my pcp said to me "You'll be looking for a surgeon", it must be bad enough, given my age also. Many thanks to you both for your ideas on this stuff. Take care--Hopeto

women have alot more factors to consider than guys do.

I hope you get it all straightened out. Let us all know how it goes when you do decide.

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Old 08-04-2007, 05:26 PM   #8
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Hi. I had gallbladder debris and sludge in such an extreme state that I almost died from ketosis...but I was sick everyday for 4 months! I lost 40 pounds and had constant tachycardia, (high heart rate) and diarrhea. My gall bladder was removed on June 16th of this year. However, if I knew I had sludge but didn't have any pain or nausea I would not have my gallbladder removed. Instead, I would change my diet to strictly non-fat, (lean cusine) and try other remedies. The post op recovery is almost as bad as the initial illness. I am just now beginning to feel normal, today, my 8th week post surgery and that is because I finally found a GI specialist who knows about the gallbladder and what damage the bile can cause in the colon and the small intestine. I also have very high cholesterol so he put me on a medication called Colestid which is working wonders. Yes, with the research I have done it seems that people who have their GB removed because of sludge have a much tougher post surgery recovery. Remember, in order to remove the GB the surgeon has to actually lift the liver as the GB is located underneath. That can also cause inflamation. I don't mean to scare you, but if you are not in pain or have nausea and feel fairly normal then I would maybe get a second or third opinion. Good luck! Let us know what you decide. Soph

 
Old 08-05-2007, 01:34 PM   #9
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Hi Sophie--That's the thing--I don't feel normal. My bowels are the pits, too. No matter what it is that I eat, when going to the bathroom it is a fatty stool, so evidently my gall bladder is really not working up to snuff. I have had the hives for so long from this also. I've connected it with everything that I eat. Not that I'm allergic to food, but no matter what it is, it passes through the area and causes nausea, bloating and upset and out come the hives--like Nature's way of saying there's something wrong. Last night I spent at the emergency room because now I have a mild case of diverticulitis, too and am on Augmentin. My father and niece have both had their gall bladders removed and eventually could eat pretty well in spite of the removal. I have decided to have it out because I see no other way of feeling human again and evidently my gp doesn't either. I have spent years wasted on a gastroenterologist who didn't know his %$* from his elbow and he knew my symptoms very well but just kept saying "Take the Protonix". He had my sister-in-law on Nexium for 5 years only to find out she never had acid reflux. I stopped smoking 3 1/2 months ago and I'm tempted to go back to it, but I'm only adding poison if I do. That's how frustrating it is. I have felt crummy for so long that it makes me not in a good place mentally, but I try to keep busy just to pass the time until August 20th. I will have to take my chances after that date to see what will happen because quite frankly, I can't live like this because this isn't living. Thanks so much & I will keep in touch--Hopeto

 
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