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Old 03-03-2008, 12:29 PM   #1
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Question No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

I had my gb removed 10 years ago. Recently, just after a meal, I have had acute pain in my upper stomach area. So acute it doubles me over for several hours. It feels just like it did when I had a gb attack. The first time this happened last month my husband took me to the ER, where they did CAT scans and blood work. Everything was notmal, even though I was laying there in agony. Only after a couple doses of morphine did I feel better. They sent me home with a prescript. fo Vicodin in case it reoccurs.

Yesterday it happened again, after eating toast and a hard boiled egg (last month it happened after eating a simple green salad). I took the Vicodin and felt better.

Today I had a dr appt. and discussed it with her. She said there are ducts in the stomach that could possibly become clogged. But otherwise had no explanation. I was also tender under the left ribs when she poked me there. If it happens again she wants me to have an upper GI done.

Does this sound like anything anyone here can explain or comment on? Its going to get the the point where I'll be afraid to go out to dinner thinking I might have a attack after I eat.

 
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:44 PM   #2
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

Kerry, I suffered from the exact same thing several years ago and it did turn out to be blocked bile ducts. The pain is the same as gall bladder, even back pain. There is a procedure called an ERCP . It's like an endoscopy
but with different little tools on the end. After having that done, my GI doc said it was blocked with small stones and sludge But I am much better now with no more pain. Good luck Linda

 
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Old 03-03-2008, 02:23 PM   #3
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

I have the same but still have my gallbladder. I was at USF after 14 months of normal tests. They would not give me an ERCP as they were concerned I would get pancreatitis!! I got the same old IBS Dx. Let me know what they find. I am convinced it is gallbladder although all my tests are normal I am having another endoscopy where they are going to take bile samples to see if I have crystals. I just hope that is it. They look at you like your crazy when you go to the ER and everything is normal.
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Kerry, I suffered from the exact same thing several years ago and it did turn out to be blocked bile ducts. The pain is the same as gall bladder, even back pain. There is a procedure called an ERCP . It's like an endoscopy
but with different little tools on the end. After having that done, my GI doc said it was blocked with small stones and sludge But I am much better now with no more pain. Good luck Linda

 
Old 03-03-2008, 04:50 PM   #4
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

Linda, I had an endoscopy a few years back and swore I'd never go through such torture again. They didn't sedate me at all, and missed my stomach and the tube went into my lungs. God, I think I'll suffer with the stomach attacks if that's what I have to endure to get a DX.

 
Old 03-03-2008, 05:24 PM   #5
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

It is the same exact pain I have. Mine started with a few weeks of nausea and then the pain. I went to the ER and they did a cat scan and said it was negative. They blamed the pain on the antibiotics I was taking. Then it got worse. I just posted under "everything tested and all negative". So if you want to check it out. Have you ever had any back problems? The surgeon I saw today wants me to have a Thoracic MRI to see if that is causing the problem. I guess when everything is negative they keep looking. I did read that the Thorascic spine is connected to the ribs and can cause pain to radiate to the stomach and abdomen. So who knows. My MRI is Friday. I will update once I get the results. I assume they will be negative. It is so frustrating to be in pain and be told nothing is wrong. Luckily my dr. is trying everything. He thought I should have exploratory surgery since I had gastric bypass years ago but the surgeon said he doesn't think it is related. The dr. did give me two prescriptions that have made a big difference. I can eat now without the pain. He gave me Ranitidine and Chlordiazepoxide/Clidinium. It has helped the pain and I can eat again. I was living on toast for 3 weeks. Now just bland chicken, eggs and toast. He also gave me Carafate for my stomach and Miralax for constipation. I think you do need the Upper GI and probably an ultrasound to check out the GI system and bile ducts etc. I also had my gallbladder out in 1992. If I still had it, I would swear that is what the problem was now. Feel better.

 
Old 03-03-2008, 05:27 PM   #6
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

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Linda, I had an endoscopy a few years back and swore I'd never go through such torture again. They didn't sedate me at all, and missed my stomach and the tube went into my lungs. God, I think I'll suffer with the stomach attacks if that's what I have to endure to get a DX.
That is horrible. Bad doctor. I have had about 7 of them since 2002. Had a complication after gastric bypass and they had to keep going in and stretching the inside connection open. Only had a problem the first time because I work up at the end. That was scary. After that nothing. Just had one a few weeks ago. All I remember was the person saying I would fall asleep and then I woke up in recovery. So don't be afraid to have another one if you need it. They even use different meds now to knock you out. I think you just got a bad dr. if you don't mind me saying.

 
Old 03-04-2008, 01:29 AM   #7
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

had my gb out 11 weeks ago but am still being woken up with what feels like gb attacks i used to get at night before gb was removed although i havent had a full blown attack after eating, as yet. i am seeing a surgeon on 31st march so maybe might get an answer then.

 
Old 03-04-2008, 08:42 AM   #8
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

I agree with hessie, you had an unqualified doctor! You should never feel pain from an endoscopy. I can't even imagine the discomfort and pain. I do have to say that my doctor is one of the best in the country when doing these procedures. The ERCP procedure should NOT disturb the pancreas.
By the way, I've had 4 ERCP's and never felt a thing except for some pain afterwards. Also to all of you that have IBS..I have it also (IBS-C) and when I have flareups, I still get some gut and right rib pain. But it doesn't last like the gall bladder pain and after all these years, I can tell the difference. Good luck and hope you feel better. Linda

 
Old 03-13-2008, 07:09 AM   #9
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

I had my gall bladder removed about 2 months ago. I actually felt pretty good aside from some unusual stomach cramps every now and then(gas related maybe?). That is, until 5 days ago. Approximately 10 minutes after I awoke in the morning, I was hit with a pain that slightly resembled the pain I had before surgery. It only lasted a minute or two so I didn't think too hard about it. This morning, however, about 2 hours ago, I was slammed with a pain that sent me to the floor. It is my sons 4th Birthday and he was all excited and running around. I could pay no attention to him because of the severe pain I was experiencing. I was literally crumpled on the floor for about 5-8 minutes before the pain started to subside. It almost seemed worse than the attacks I had before surgery. Needless to say I am very nervous now.

To describe the pain I had before surgery, all I can say is that after my third major attack I didn't care what it took t get rid of the pain, it was that bad. Remove whatever you like! Just make the pain stop! I ended up in the E.R. twice and both times they ended up giving me dilaudid because morphine did nothing to help. The attacks would come around 10pm and last until the meds helped many hours later. Very scary to me because I thought I had a high threshold for pain. This humbled me quite a bit.

This got me nervous enough this morning to start searching for answers which led me here, and I am glad for that. There seems to be alot of info floating around here and quite a few people that have experienced similar problems. Hopefully after talking with my doctor and surgeon later, I will have more answers. Right now I am unsure as to what to do.

This is my first post, and first visit here. Hopefully I have put this in the right place or maybe should have started my own thread? I apologize if this isn't in correct form.

 
Old 03-13-2008, 11:37 AM   #10
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

Ryanz, have you spoken with your dr. yet? Are you still having pain? Just curious because I had my gb removed 9/07 and still have 'attacks'.

 
Old 03-13-2008, 08:35 PM   #11
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

I have a question and need answer please.... I had my gallbladder out little over a year ago, after they did the surgery that said they did not see no stones I felt great. Now I have been having it feels like attacks my pain feels like someone is pulling on both side of a rubber band like it did when I had my gallbladder it hurts off and on standing, sitting, laying you name it.... and the pain is on my right side under my ribs and sometimes it goes to my back, today it was hurting and my husband told me to eat to see if it would help and it did not help... What should I do?

 
Old 03-13-2008, 09:32 PM   #12
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

Shurely, I have had 2 very minor "attacks", and one major one since my surgery about 2 months ago. The major attack was about 2 hours before I posted here in the morning. The pain I am getting of course didn't come until after my final follow-up with my surgeon 2 weeks ago. What makes me nervous the most, is why am I getting almost the same type of pain when removing my gall bladder was supposed to be the culprit? Its very frustrating.

Ali, I would call my Dr., make an appointment. After a ton of reading that I have done on this today, it seems that certain types of food have played a part in about 70-80% of all of the cases I have seen. Everyone is different though. But I would watch what you eat for now. Certain fatty foods seem to be the biggest factor. Then there are a few that say that food isn't involved. Hopefully your dr. will be able to guide you in the right direction.

I now have an appointment to see my surgeon after the weekend. I'll certainly let you know what his thoughts are.

 
Old 03-14-2008, 11:19 AM   #13
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

Ryanz, I had a couple of these "episodes, attacks" before my post-op visit (I only had one) When I told my dr. he said "it takes awhile for your body to adjust to having no gb.) Sounded good to me but now almost 6 months later I have been having at least 2 and as many as 6 per month. Please let me know what your dr. says. It's discouraging to still have this!
Hope that you're doing better and that your son had a great birthday after all!

 
Old 03-17-2008, 05:56 PM   #14
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

I was diagnosed with Gallstones after living for 8 months with horrible GERD, nausea, sleepless nights, and of course intense GB attacks which lasted for hours and sometimes for days at a time . It took me 8 months to be diagnosed because my DR was convinced my problem was my weight and had a tough time seeing past that fact. (She sent me to have blood work done to check for high cholesterol and diabetes MONTHS before finally agreeing to refer me to have an endoscopy done. Keep in mind I went to see her for severe stomach pains , vomiting, and heartburn) Now, I am a little on the thicker side and I sadly gained 40 lbs over the course of my GB ordeal despite eating little to nothing in fear of vomiting and indigestion/gas/bloating. (I was told by my surgeon that this is common based on the body going into "survival mode" and holding on to fat. (I take little comfort in this theory however )

I finally had my gallbladder removed on 1/29/2008 days after an ultrasound revealed many gallstones and a diseased GB. This occurred 6 months almost to the date from my first dr. visit, 2 specialist and 1 ER visit later. Surgery went well and within 3 weeks I was back at work, eating, sleeping, going to the bathroom, and living life like my old self. I had a few bouts of post-op bathroom issues but was able to eat normal food with little issue. Maintaining a low-fat diet came very easy to me as I had gained a weird aversion to anything that was to “bold” tasting. I ate a slice of pizza a couple of weeks after surgery and it was like I was punched in the mouth with all this flavor and spice. (That is pretty much gone now though) I got my energy back, joined a gym and even started to lose weight. Then last month a few days before I started my period I got a horrible GB attack which lasted a few minutes. I read somewhere online about a women experiencing this a few days before hers so I ignored it. I have been having a very tough time sleeping lately and have had over 8 attacks in then in the past 2 weeks. These attacks are identical to the ones I had before my surgery, starting at the pit of my stomach and radiating through my right breast bone all the way to my top right back/shoulder area. I learned early on that drinking lots of cold water at the onset of the pain helps immensely so I have continued to do that.
Additionally I notice they are usually first thing in the morning and arrive soon after I have strong hunger pains. The worst one was last Thursday while driving to work I was scared I was going to crash. I am so concerned that after all my ordeal and optimistic outlook after surgery that I am doomed to feel sick and weak all the time. I am about to start my period which may be why they came back. I also have had the worse heartburn of my life recently which I know is pretty typical being that all the bile is just hanging out in my belly now. I am on the search for a new DR due to the MANY unpleasant DR visits and angry phone calls I had to have with my current DR. I also am just trying to wait it out as I know that there is an adjustment period the body needs after having an organ removed. I am honestly reluctant to go through the whole diagnosis process again and need surgery again due to the financial strain, the illness, diagnosis, surgery and recovery has put on me. I have great insurance but still have months before I can catch up on the medical bills after the dozens of needless tests my DR made me get.

My poor boyfriend and my friends and family were so happy to see me regain “life” after my surgery I am embarrassed to even talk about how I have been feeling. I am only 26 and have been 100%healthy my entire life other than this GB issue. I really hope these “phantom” attacks go away soon…

 
Old 03-18-2008, 07:55 PM   #15
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Re: No gall bladder anymore, but having same pain

I had the exact same problem about 2 years post surgery to have my gb removed. I had the ERCP done (and got pancreatitus from it >.< ) and it showed scaring in the duct. My gastroenterologist explained that you can still produce gallstones without a gall-bladder. They have no where to go, and thus you pass them but if they are large, they can get trapped in the ducts. They can create a small incision if there is one lodged, at the time of the ERCP. They saw I'd had movements, explaining the pains (which were JUST like gallbladder attacks!!!) but I had nothing stuck, thankfully.

Hope this helps.

 
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