Have you been doing anything that was really rather strenuous lately like lifting very heavy objects or even strained too hard during a BM? sorry if too personal there.i am only asking as right after,a few hours after,i gave birth to my first child(a 36 hour labor which involved ALOT of straining and pushing)i suddenly saw all these very tiny reddish dots appear all over my face and upper torso and even blew a tiny vessel in my eye there.i was told by the nurse that these were "normal" after undergoing so much straining.the very very tiny cappillaries we have under the surface of the skin can break rather easily when we are in a straining type of situation.this could just be one possibility.mine went away in a couple of days.how long have you actually had these now?are they fading at all?FB
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I have like 5 or 6 pin***** red dots on my arms, and I have had them for forever, as long as I can remember. I don't know what they are. Sometimes I get a couple more that just go away, but there are some that just stay. I have always wondered what they were.
I too have the same thing you described. It's not a rash, or an insect bite, but is called a "spider angioma".
they typically have a red dot in the center with reddish extensions radiating out of it and they disappear when pressure is applied to it and re-appears when the pressure is released. (when you press your finger on it)
they usually appear on the face and trunk of our bodies.
they are very common and are especially prevalent during pregnancy and in patients with liver disease.
mine are on my upper arms, the front of my neck and one directly on the middle of my nose. they are are persistent and do not go away.
children get them too, but theirs dissapear in time. when adults get them, they are more persistent and don't go away so easily on their own.
A dermatologist can erradicate them by electrocauterization.
they say it is especially important for adults to mention the develompment of a new spider angioma to rule out associated medical conditions.
or it can be "petechiae" that you are speaking of. I'm not sure what yours looks like. petechiae look like little tiny spattered pin points that are closer together. they are pinpoint deposits of blood under the skin.
certain blood thinning medications can cause it, like plavix, warafin, heparin and aspirin. lower than normal blood platelet counts can cause it too, like leukaemeia or autoimmune disorders or coagulation disorders and even childbirth as "feelbad" mentioned she noticed after giving birth from pushing so hard.
petechial rash isn't a disease but a sign of an underlying problem that also requires further investigation if it doesn't go away or continues to happen.
I hope this is not the case in your situation and that all goes well with you.
sorry this is such a lengthy answer and hope that it was of some help to you and maybe others.
Thanks for the reply. Mine are actually like way spread out, and just a dot, nothing surrounding them. They are just really randomly there. I may go to a doctor about it if more come. htey have checked me for problems with my liver recently after having my gallbladder removed, because I was having some issues, but they are better now, and nothing was wrong with my liver. I am pretty sure that it isn't anything serious, as I have had them for a long time.
I too have had the same thing on my hands, chest, abdomen & thighs. Over 5 yrs now. I didn't think anything of them. I started getting joint pain and muscle weekness about 3 years ago. It has elevated to cronic fatigue. I finally broke and started going to doctors in September. I could go on about my other health conditions, but.... I don't have the energy. I will say I "eat right for my blood type" and worked out until the fatigue took me down. Long in short... don't sit idle, see an immunologist. Those spots were key to my diagnosis (connective tissue disorder) and awaiting to learn I may have Lupus. Better to be safe. 5 years ago I may have slowed, if not stopped the process of my poor health. Everyday I pay for it. Best wishes to all.
thank you spontaneous for posting your situation.
I never thought of telling my dr about these dots.
were your dots spider angioma's? or petechaia?
what were your's?
I had no idea it can be connected to tissue disease.
I am having problems with chronic joint pain and didn't associate the possibltiy of my lack of strength and aches to be associated with the out break of these dots.
were you referred to an immunologist by your primary dr? because the primary dr didnt' know what was wrong with you?
or did you just go yourself?
did they find it thru blood work? and how long did it take them to really find out what was wrong with you?
they did an ana test on me about six years ago but it was negative. that's when I first noticed the pain sportatically and I even the slightest thing would set off pain in differnet parts of my body. depending on what it was i did. even just pulling my hair back with a little hair band would hurt my head the next day. or pulling weeds, or even holding clothes on my arm when I go clothes shopping.
silly, little things like that caused me to suffer.
i don't want to sound like a hypochondriac but my pain is real and this was never like this years ago, why now?
I'm still not diagnosed and have to pursue follow up when I finally recieve my medical insurance this coming august.
it's horrible to be sick. especially when a diagnosis doesnt just jump right out at the dr right away.
I'm happy to hear you finally got a diagnosis but I"m sorry for you that it took so long.
please let me know what your dots were like or was your's the typical rash that appears with lupus? there's two types of lupus, one that attacks all the internal organs, which I think is systemic lupus and the other strikes the skin.
Actually, I am in the process of finding a GP, because it is important to have a point of contact who knows everything about you. Although, I will not SOLEY depend on the GP to help me or refer me. I feel I have gotten further in 9 mos than a GP would've gotten me. (But I take more caution because I am in a retirement area where the drs are used to dealing with people on the death beds.) I am concerned that if I don't get to the bottom of it and slow things, I could end up with Leiomyosarcoma. I believe cancers come from things like this. I don't believe you just get a cancer that attacks the joints and organs without notice. Because they always say they don't know the causes for most diseases and cancers, I take it like religion. Read the material and decipher it for myself. I am the one person who cares more about me than any other person in this world. It’s my job to inform myself. They are helpful practitioners.
I was seeing my GYN. At the time, I thought for obvious reasons. I got to the point where I was so fatigue I couldn't function. Then, I started loosing blood and my GYN thought it could be ulcers if not Crohn's because I lost weight significantly. My gyn sent me to gastroenterologist. – Negative, but they found that I had H Pylori that they treated with PrevPac.
In the meantime of having that treatment, I still was not convinced that this was the answer to all of my problems. With pain throughout my entire trunk and Joint pain everywhere. Research online and a friend (who's the daughter of a dr and works for one) led me to the immunologist.
I brought him all of my blood work (normal-normal-normal....) He & I went back a few years. I told him about every little insignificant detail. All the way to these little red dots (like I stuck myself with a straight pin - not any bigger and they don't spider or radiate out). I will ask him again what they are called. (When you apply pressure they disappear.) He believes I have an Autoimmune Disorder and did numerous tests to pinpoint the problem. I will not know anything until next Thursday.
From the inside looking out, I feel all of my organs are being attacked. Friday, I actually woke up to feel mild jolting pains through my heart as each beat passed (never before or after has that happened). I can't explain that, yet. I have a constant mild pain under the lower part of my right breast (liver, I guess), a constant bolder pain in my stomach, a sporadic pain in my lower right abdomen (colon, I guess) and now begin to question my heart. All to be determined. But it is weird, in a disturbing way, to be able to distinctly point out and know EXACTLY where your stomach, liver, colon and heart are.
I forgot to mention my 2 kidney stones to my doctor. I will, to see if that has any relation. I will let you know what I find out about everything next week.
Oh.... yes, I too have found myself switching arms while clothes shopping. Can't wash my vehicle at the car wash because 4 minutes of holding the trigger about kills my hand. I hope you aren't to the point of sleeping from the time you get home from work until the time you get up to go back. Numerous times...12-13 hrs of sleep!!
I AM sleeping many many hours but on and off. I can't keep my eyes open when I get home at five. so from the time I watch t.v. in bed and after eatting supper, I fall asleep and get up at five a.m. and i feel like I'm still tired.
my spine pain is getting worst every week. I am trying to hold on till I get my medical though.
the joint in my arms yesterday hurt, a certain point of pressure and I felt flu like, I get more irriatable and my boss even saw how pale i'm getting and that I'm losing weight.
we don't know if it's stress related or if there's something medical going on.
the red dots, when I say spider like, can't really be seen if you look at it from a distance, but they consist of it so tiny that you can barely see what makes the dot a dot. thats' what makes it the color it is. the little vessels that spread out. but so minute you can barely see it.
look up "spider angioma's. I'll bet you any money that's what it is.
mine are popping up more frequently too.
I feel like there's an autoimmune problem going on with me and I haven't had the ANA test performed in a while, so maybe when I get my medical, they'll test it again.
please keep me informed of your update because i"m extremely intrested in knowing what course you're taking.
I wish you the best outcome and that you're able to find out what's going on inside.
ps-did I tell you I had a lymph node that was biopsied back in 1998? it turned out to be "atypical but negative for cancer.
It's grown back but none of the drs who felt it are concerned. so I haven't had it re biopsied. the days I feel horrible are the days the lymphnode swells. it comes and goes.
my ent dr was so sure it was malignant and even sent it to another lab to make absoluetly sure it wasn't.
so this thought runs thru my mind every now and then.
Ok. First, I apologize for the delay. I know it's frustrating when you know there's someone out there who might be able to help and where are they!!!
Two weeks ago, my doctor said all of my blood work came back normal. You can imagine... He said he wanted to do a couple more tests and had me back yesterday for review.
Before I tell you, I want to first stress.... I was EXTREMELY fatigue. The fatigue intensified as years passed. The H Pylori treatment was hell. About 1week ago, my energy was back 100%. I don't know when I EVER had this much energy! It sounds like a crock of .... but I swear I feel like someone else. It's not even me. My joints are still aching bad. I stopped my meds so I could describe everything at my appointment yesterday. I can't explain what it means to have energy!!! I am able to deal with the pain soooo much better. I would have never imagined having half this energy. I guess my intension is to impress...FINALLY!!!! IT CAN HAPPEN!!!!
Sooooo... My appointment yesterday. I was told even though it is typically a male gene, I tested positive for HLA-B27. I am just starting my research. Namely, Ankylosing Spondylitis. It is not good news, but it is real news. I haven't looked to see if the MCTD is related, but will. I found this on the Spondylitis Assoc. site ...
".....Scientists know that other genes, along with a triggering environmental factor, such as a bacterial infection, are needed to trigger AS in susceptible people. HLA-B27 probably accounts for about 40% of the overall risk, but then there are other genes working in concert with B27. There are probably five or six genes involved in susceptibility toward AS. It is thought that perhaps AS starts when the defenses of the intestines start breaking down and bacteria from the intestines pass into the bloodstream directly into the region where the sacroiliac joints are located...."
The last thing I will say is, I found a DAMN good specialist in rheumatology and internal med. I don't use a General Pac. - nothing against them, but I wanted to get to the bottom of it. Put it this way, I saw my RA doctor yesterday and my Gastro today. That doesn't happen when you are seeing a GP. Not enough time for all that when you feel like you are dying. Now, I will research to see if an RA is the appropriate one to handle this AS diagnosis. Nothing against the RA - he is amazing!!! 3rd visit diagnosis is damn good! But I believe most doctors like to see the problem fixed and will work to get there. I'm not ready to work on this, the right one KNOWS the fix and I will find that person. I hope that makes sense, without being insensitive.
Linda, I hope this helps you. Have you been checked for H Pylori? If you have it, it must be eradicated. Your symptoms sound so much like mine. It is a long hard road, but you are bound to find an answer.
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I am so glad you came back spontaneous to give us an update.
most people forget to.
I am happy that you finally got a diagnosis yet unhappy at the same time because of what it is you have.
it's not a good diagnosis. I was just reading up a little on this one not so long ago but have to refresh my memory on it.
I didn't tell you I too had h.pylori but many years ago when they first were finding out that what is was. my gastro dr was just starting to do research on it and was even writing about it with another fellow doctor.
i was always complaining that my stomach hurt and felt nauseous after eatting meals, especially fatty meals. my gp felt it was just nerves because i happened to be raising four young children at the time.
he then refered me to this wonderful gastro who I've been with ever since.
he did the test by doing a gastroscopy by making me swallow the tube while I was awake mind you and then he did a biopsy and put it onto this little plastic thing that turned a bright pink which meant positive for the bacteria h.pylori. he gave me a month supply of antibiotic and tons of pepto bismal since bisumth is supposed to help erriadicate this little bugger along with an antibiotic. to this day I can't ever chew another one of those cherry flavored pept mismols. I had to eat so many of them on a daily basis as part of the regimine.
that was back in the 90's when I was diagonsed. now they at least put you under for the procedure. I thought it was barbaric of them not to put the patient to sleep. he said i had to be awake to help swallow the tube past a certain point of the throat.
when this dr came back to me to tell me the results, he said he was sorry I felt so sick and it felt darn good that someone finally believed me that I didn't feel well and he wished me well.
I've loved this dr ever since. he's also a very dear friend too since that long ago day If walked into his office for help.
when i was suffering unexplained weight loss and no one could find out what was wrong with me two years ago, he told he wouldn't give up until he found out what was going on with me. he stuck to his word.
there are some fantastic doctors out there, you just have to find them.
I want to know more about your diagnosis and what exactly HLA-B27 is. I"ve never heard of it.
the helicobactorhpylori is a bacteria that if not erradicated can be the cause to MALT. a form of lymphoma that attacks the muscosa lining of the stomach. it causes stomach ulcers too. the body produces so much acid to erradicate the bug that bores deep into the lining of the stomach, but it can't be reached and therefore the person can wind up getting ulcers from too much acid.
our bodies are so amazing, aren't they? as if it has it's own self clinical team doing it's job to kill harmful invaders that shouldn't be there.
they feel that it runs thru families and most of the population are found to have this bacteria in their stomachs when they did autopsies.
my dr wanted to scope my husband for it too but he refused to have such a thing done to him.
the dr was doing research on it then as I mentioned. LOL
as I said, I'm so glad you remember to come back and post an update.
please keep me informed of your up coming tests too.
I'm still here.
One thing my Dr. mentioned that I also read was that a person positive for HLA-B27 has a 10% chance of not contracting Ankylosing Spondylitis. Actually, what I read said 7%!!! Yeah, you are correct...not the best diagnosis to ask for!!! But it is a 93% acurate answer! Amazed me how the whole digestive thing came into play. H Pylori is a very cronic issue. Happens over a very long period of time. I was possibly born with it. I couldn't eat fried foods since my childhood, for the sensitivity. But, it came to a head just when my fatigue and pain seemed to take me to a halt. You are right...our bodies are amazing. Had I not kept detail notes, I would have had tons of Dr's visits. Tons of Dr's. I am so thankful. I did this in 5 GYN visits, 2 Gastro visits, and 3 RA visits. My insurance company shouldn't complain! They don't want to pay because it was pre-existing!!! You can't win! Good luck with your insurance issue, too. Hope it is better for you than mine was. I prepared just as you are trying to do. Such a bummer.
It is my understanding to follow up with this issue, the RA Dr. will monitor 5-6 different things (can't remember all) including liver and kidney functions, measurements of my spine, and I believe something with this gene. My next visit is 6 wks out. After he has monitored me for what he believes is sufficient, he will begin a treatment program, which is basically maintenance (to my understanding) But, I will definately revisit and keep you apprised.
And, I do want to know if you are making any headway.
Oh yeah...just a tip. The only way I can sleep is with those Tempur-pedic (immatation from wal-mart - can't afford the real stuff!) bed toppers on my bed. I have numerously stacked them 6" to suffice 130 lbs LOL. Hey...It works!!!
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