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Old 10-27-2008, 04:51 PM   #1
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Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

My Dr. told me that I have tendinitis and gave me the usual pain pill and patch prescription and wanted to send me to rehab. Well...I haven't used the patches and I am so sensitive to meds that I try not to take them if I don't have to. The therapy I haven't gone to either. Is this something that I will always have now? My gosh, if I turn my arm the wrong way, the pain just makes me scream and then my whole upper arm hurts and then when the pain starts slowing down, my arm is tender. Does this even sound like tendinitis? SHe wouldn't do an Xray or an MRI so I really am reluctant to take meds because really, alls that does is mask the pain. Any suggestions? Thanks!!

 
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

I have the same thing. Dr. checked my shoulder and said "tendonitis...physical therapy should help".. I went, i'm doing the exercises at home..but it still hurts ..

I guess it doesn't really go away, you just have to live with it.
Im kindof learning how to live with it. I hope you will learn so too.

For example, i used to do pushups.. I can do them but if i do..i'll get alot pain so, instead of pushups i can try lifting weights , working the bicep instead of working the shoulder directly. this way it doesn't hurt

I used to do shadow boxing.. If i do it fast it hurts after..so now i dont do it. I do it slow or just super light fake punches that dont even look like a punch but i do it really light. almost nothing.

So instead of high impact, fast movements.. now i can only do more slow therapeutic type of stuff but it's great. One of my favorites is shoulder circling with 5 pound or 10 pound weights. those really give you a burn

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Old 10-28-2008, 07:13 AM   #3
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

i am kind of suprised with the pain level you have that she didn't at least send you for an MRI. are you having any problem in lifting things or getting your arm like behind your back? did she bother to at least run your arm and shoulder thru some ROMS(range of motions) to see how it moves? just exactly what kind of pain patch was Rxed to you?

tendonitis is just inflammation of particular tendons within that shoulder,BUT you could also have something a bit more in depth going on too. i would seriously see about that MRI BEFORE you start doing any type of PT that could actually make things worse. you just really need to know what you are actually dealing with here first,then go with whatever treatment plan or an ortho consult,depending upon what is actually found in there.

i just went thru rtator cuff repair this past year. i actually completley tore the very top tendon that runs from the top of the shoulder along to the neck area,and slightly tore the one directly under it. this was cumulative damage that took place over years of wear and tear just doing the jobs i did for many years. depending upon how much real wear and tear that shoulder has suffered over years,well it could be a torn tendon and not just tendonitis. you just really need to know for sure. the one thing my ortho told me was that the rotator cuff repair was one off the most common ortho surgerys they do at this very large ortho surgical procatice. alot of people just have alot of wear and tear damage to their shoulders/tendons but just don't know it til it starts becoming symptomatic. i seriously would ask for that MRI before doing anything. this is just a very common type of injury,espescially the top tendon,the supraspinatus,the one i fully tore? it gets the bigger wear and tear damage.

if i were you right now,i would just do a bit of research on the rotator cuff tears and compare your symptoms to what they explain. mine matched with those symptoms dead on. it will help when you speak with your doc to just know the basics. you just deserve to really know for sure whats going on. by the way,i ALSO had tendonitis along with my tears in other tendons too. it can be there but there can also be other actual damage too. good luck and please keep me posted, FB
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:27 AM   #4
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

I have had 'frozen shoulders' both of them at same time and I have done alot of PT. BTW this is going on about a year and a half. I am very much improved and have stopped the PT as i thought i didn't need any more BUT i am not fully better. the top of my shoulders are painful enough this past couple of weeks, especially when i wake up. Also, i notice i am painful around my elbows and also, which i am most worried about is when i wake up in the mornings my hands - especially my finers are quite painful and stiff. After a few minutes they are fine but not perfect. Do you think this is all from my shoulders? My ROM is good enough really - i can reach back with both hands to tie my bra but there is a little pain when doing so. I guess i am not really doing exercies as i should - you get so sick of it. What do you think of the finger stiffness?

 
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

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If I do any sudden movements, the pain just sends me screaming but I can move it slowly and sometimes its painful and sometimes it's ok. I can not lay on that side at night time at all. I too wake up and my hands are stiff and it works itself out for the most part. The Dr. did do a range of motions and came up with what she did. The patches are called "Lidoderm" which I have but have been afraid to use them because I don't know anything about them and I am very sensitive to meds and don't know what to expect from this patch. The Dr. told me that if I had torn something that I would not be able to do certain motions but the thing is, I may not be able to do it right then but maybe I can slowly later on. The pains are really sharp and it does shoot down to my forearm and elbow.

So, this will never heal itself???? I don't embrace surgery at all. I have a phobia of Hospitals! I have lived with low back pain for many years, so I guess that I will have to live with this too. Hubby is getting ready to change jobs so we will not have medical insurance for 90 days but I do look forward to finding all new Dr's and starting fresh in that department! Is there anything that I can do here at home for it? It hurts to even carry a small purse! I have noticed that when my arm hangs down, it really hurts the shoulder so I try and keep the arm bent. Thanks for your concern. I really appreciate it! I really don't have any family that cares (besides hubby) and it's nice to know that there are people out there that are concerned! By the way, how are you feeling? I noticed your name "feelbad" and didn't know if you actually felt bad or not. Have a good evening!

 
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

that was just how i happened to feel the very first time i came onto these boards back in 03? it was after having a surgery done on my spinal cord and i NEEDED some help with pain,big time. been here ever since. some days i feel bad some i don't,so there ya go. it just stuck.

don't be afraid to try the lido patches,i use them on pretty much a daily basis. all it is is plain old lidocaine in kind of a gel like substance? it wont come off on clothing or anything,its pretty stuck into that patch. but this just helps to numb the area somewhat so the pain is not quite as intense. i would have thought she may have Rxed the flector patch,now that has an actual anti inflammatory in it,and personally i think it would help you much more than just numbing. the flector would actually hit the inflammation,you know what i mean? or you can try just using aleeve,once in the morning and once later in the day? its a pretty good anti inflammatory. the thing is,if nothing like in the anti inflammatory group of meds actually works for your presumed Dx of tendonitis,it could be something going on in there at a much deeper level. anything that has "itis" at the end of it just means whatever it is is inflammed. ice works wonders for my shoulder pain too,if you want to give that a go.

i would try things her way for a couple weeks maybe and se if there is not any real improvement? BUT,if at anytime things should get worse for you,or you just cannot stand that pain any longer,i would seriously demand an MRI just to see whats up in there. if this is just tendonistis,you "should' be able to get that inflammation down some usingthe right methods,if it is not going down,then you need further testing on this. there are just so many different structures that make up the shoulder/rotator cuff area that anything from tendons,to ligaments and muscle could be affected,as well as some problem within that joint too. i had bone spurs that needed clearing during my surgery along with the needed repairs done. there is just alot of different things that can be damaged in that area that would or could give you some pretty intense pain when they get angry. just see how things go for now and do what you feel is needed soon if this does not get better for you. the thing here is that your doc is not an ortho and does not know all the ROMS or all the many many different problems that could be the casue of your pain and symptoms,you know what i mean? when in doubt,she should just send you for an MRI to be certain. just go slowly here and keep me posted. good luck K. FB
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Old 10-29-2008, 07:21 AM   #7
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

Yes I really should have gone to an Ortho Dr. In your opinion, what could be the absolute worst case senario for the pain in that area? I want to somewhat be prepared for when I do see an ortho so that nothing surprises me, ya know? Glad to know that you feel okay! Thanks for the advice! On these patches that she gave me, are there any adverse reactions to this stuff that's in the pad? Does it actually absorb into the skin or is it a topical numbing type thing?

 
Old 10-30-2008, 07:58 PM   #8
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

Hi, I agree with feelbad on all the replies. I had the same symptoms in 2006, was sent for an MRI and was told I needed arthoscopy surgery on my shoulder for several small tears and fraying with tendonitis and some fluid. I had the same problem with hanging my arm down, holding my pocketbook and washing my hair. Putting on my bra was a real killer. Well I went to my Chiro and she did ultrasound on my shoulder 2x's a week for about 3 months and it felt much better. I am also on high doses of narcotics so I should not have been in any pain at all. Well, now 2 years later and the pain has come back in full force. It never went away, I just kept in under control. I will be having the surgery very soon. Try ice packs, and ultrasound. Don't carry a heavy purse and rest with a pillow under your arm as much as possible.
I wish you luck and hope your pain decreases in time. If it is just tendonitis, there is a possiblitiy that it will go away but without the proper testing such as an MRI , you will never really know exactly what is going on.
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

the only real risk with using the lido patches is the possible skin irritation just from having some little reaction to the ingredients really. tho lidocaine is used to also correct heart rhythems,you would have to be using over three patches at a time to really have ANY true risk of any affectation in that area. i have used these since 2003 and have not had anything as far as side effects occur and i am very reactive to alot of different meds myself. i would at least give the a try and see if they don;t help some ya know? you can also cut these to fit a particular area too and it wont affect the patch or how well it works either. i would recommend that you simply round off the corners of the patch before you take the backing off? it just helps it from catching on your clothing and kind of rolling up on you? i always just round off all the corners now since having that very problem when i first started using these? i really doubt that you would have any real side effects from these. do you have any type of heart issues? if not you are probably pretty safe in that area,it would still,even with heart problems,take alot of lido to even affect heart rhythem. the overall risks of anything acually happening are very very remote since their is only a very small trace amount that actually even gets into the bloodstream. if you have ever had novicaine or had lido used for numbing before like haveing stitches or any other types of procedures and did not react,you wont with the patch. you get much much more when lido is used for numbing procedures than is even possible with the lido patch itself. whileit does kind of absorb into the skin,it stays pretty much in that particular area only covered by the patch and does not go down too far. thats why i am kind of wondering why you were Rxed the lido? it can help tho with certain types of pain and depending upon what is actually causing it. i would place one over the most painful areas and see how it goes. and rememebr,you can cut them to fit better too,just make certain to do it before you take that backing off,its just alot easier.

the worst case scenerio i think would be what i had in my shoulder,and actual complete tear in a tendon not just the inflammation of tendonitis. i had about five different things that needed fixing or clearing in my rotator cuff areas. two of those things were actual tears. the thing about tears is you WANT to catch them BEFORE they become a complete tear not just the partial which is much easier to fix and rehab vs having to have them reattach a retracted piece of tendon to another,which is what my surgery was all about for the most part. getting things fixed BEFORE you get to the point where your ROMS get much worse because a simple tear became complete would be the worst case scenerio for what i would think anyways. partial tears are much easier to repair and less painful post op and don't require as in depth of rehab either. so you DO want to have that MRI BEFORE your ROMS really get bad just to see whats going on in there,not after the fact,ya know what i mean?

i would simply explain that part of things to your doc and really demand that MRI now vs after things hit the fan so to speak? i wish i had done this. unfortunetly it was not until i DID feel that tendon let go and suffered alot of pain and loss of ROMS that i brought this to my primarys attention,despite having problems with that shoulder for many many years. i should have asked earlier but i had so many other medical problems occur that it just never came up. do it now not later. you just need to know whats going on in there now,not when things become ten times worse,ya know? this would be really in your best interest to just do now. trust me on that one. i learned the hard way and have had a very long road of recovery and much more pain than had we found the partials earlier. i do wish you luck and hope your doc will just refer you for that MRI now. please keep me posted hon. FB
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:34 AM   #10
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

FB,

Well I went to an Ortho surgeon yesterday and he thought that I had torn my RC. He did want me to get an MRI and the thing is, I travel so much, I'm not sure exactly when I can do it right now. I'm probably looking at not this week but maybe the next. I wish that I could have just went and got it yesterday but the insurance had to "authorize" it which is something new with my insurance so while I could have gotten the results yesterday, thanks to my insurance, it may be well into two weeks before I can do it. Is there any other option besides surgery if there is a tear in there? Would I know if it was torn all the way?

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Hi, I agree with feelbad on all the replies. I had the same symptoms in 2006, was sent for an MRI and was told I needed arthoscopy surgery on my shoulder for several small tears and fraying with tendonitis and some fluid. I had the same problem with hanging my arm down, holding my pocketbook and washing my hair. Putting on my bra was a real killer. Well I went to my Chiro and she did ultrasound on my shoulder 2x's a week for about 3 months and it felt much better. I am also on high doses of narcotics so I should not have been in any pain at all. Well, now 2 years later and the pain has come back in full force. It never went away, I just kept in under control. I will be having the surgery very soon. Try ice packs, and ultrasound. Don't carry a heavy purse and rest with a pillow under your arm as much as possible.
I wish you luck and hope your pain decreases in time. If it is just tendonitis, there is a possiblitiy that it will go away but without the proper testing such as an MRI , you will never really know exactly what is going on.
Good Luck
Thanks for the advice on the pillow. I wasn't sure if that was good for it or not. Also, does massaging the hurting area help or hinder it if it is torn? I also like to walk on the treadmill. They say, don't stop using your arm because of frozen shoulder (not sure if that happens because of an injury and keeping it still or if that is a general rule even with a healthy shoulder) but don't over use it either, so what do I do?

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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

A couple of different causes of shoulder pain I haven't seen mentioned above are:

1. Medications...many meds (blood pressure and cholesterol come immediately to mind) have side effects that cause pain in the nerves, bones, and joints...but nothing shows up in the tests. Personally, I experienced severe shoulder pain (doctor diagnosed tendenitis), had 4 weeks of physical therapy, and severe back pain (doctor ruled out a spinal tumor), had 6 weeks of physical therapy, and continued to experience pain until I discontinued taking hydrochlorothiazide. Since that time, I've learned that certain nutritional deficiencies (some of which HTC can create) can cause similar pain/symptoms...and "no", not all lab tests can reliably detect some of these deficiencies.

2. Lyme Disease...I know, I know, some of you are tired of reading my posts about this...but bacterial infections (lyme and coinfections) can cause some of these symptoms without anything showing up on the tests! Doctors and patients often overlook the possibility of lyme because no one "remembers" being bitten by a tick...some are ticks are very small, some look like moles, and some are hidden by hair and skin folds.

I thought I'd mention these possibilities because if the tests don't reveal much, side effects and lyme disease are should be considered.

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Old 11-15-2008, 09:31 AM   #13
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

I have this too! Haven't gotten an MRI but I was wondering for those of you that have been through this, if there is a tear or just even Tendenitis, where can all the pain go to? My good arm feels a bit sore (at times) and I'm wondering what is up with that! I don't really want to be on pain meds and I haven't had any therapy. Any suggestions of what I can do at home besides the IB Profin and ice? Thanks!!!

 
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Re: Shoulder Tendinitis...does it ever go away?

just wondering what you ment by "where can all that pain go to"? not quite sure just what you are asking there? what is wrong with your "bad" arm? depending upon just how much you actually can use what you call your "bad arm' it can effect the opposite arm only becasue you are having to rely upon it much more when the other one isn't working for you or is too sore to move,you know what i mean? this happened when i was post op after my rotator surgery,and it happened to another woman who was going thru this same thing here on these boards. we had our surgeries at the very same time,so at least we could compare notes.

honestly,the best way to really just see whats wrong would be to have that MRI. no other test would simply show the inside of whole area. it saves time and hassle too just knowing right away what the problems are. have you had one done on your "bad" arm/shoulder yet? FB
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No have not gotten an MRI..was suppose to but had to reschedule and haven't done that yet. I just wanted to know where "referred" pain could be with a bad shoulder. Like I have pain (mild) in the neck area...my other arm (good one) gets tired easily it seems because it starts to hurt after awhile. I try and use that arm more than I usually do so that I don't hurt the bad one anymore. I have heard of some real horror stories on people that have had rotator/shoulder surgery and it doesn't sound like something I want to even entertain at this point. Too much post surgery problems from what I have heard and read. The thing is, it's probably pretty rare that someone comes out way better than when they went in and that's just a chance I don't think I want to take. Am I in pain? Yep, but I have a pretty high pain tolorence level. so, I don't know...

 
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