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Old 02-14-2009, 03:29 AM   #1
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Your advice didn't work.. what now?

I had a thread before (I'm formerly Bill Z.) that discussed my severe constipation that was resistant to 150% of the fiber RDI, lots of water, a daily stool softener. With that regimen I could only go once every 3-4 days, with a lot of straining, and the movements were always incomplete.

The advice offered was to add daily MiraLax to that regimen.. several of you suggested this. I followed the advice--used it for a whole week as directed--and I still could only go once every 3-4 days and I still had to strain. Seeing almost no improvement, I quit. The stuff is expensive anyway.

The other advice offered was "in emergencies" try 3 supporities, after running them under hot water which makes them act quicker. I did this and waited an hour. After an hour and 15 minutes, I just *barely* had the urge to go. When I went, I got rid of two half melted supporities, and that was it. No further urge to go, nothing gotten rid of.

I'm very disappointed that the advice YOU GUYS offered does not work for me. I'm disappointed that you won't offer any other advice, and you won't own up to your words... you just ignore me.

I've tried explaining THIS before.. (and nobody has any clues?): When I try to have a bowel movement, even without straining, I get a "pressing" sensation in the back of my neck, at the base of my skull. If I strain harder, the pressing sensation gets even worse, and then it begins to feel like I could faint. I also have this in my back. It leads from the back of my neck, through my back, and into my bowels. This "pressing sensation" kinda prevents me from having a bowel movement because it "blocks" me. What could cause this???

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Re: Your advice didn't work.. what now?

bill,instead of getting angry becasue whatever your condition is wont respond to what advice these nice people have tried to give you,you REALLY do just need to see your doc about all of your ongoing symptoms. it really sounds like you have a serious impaction going on in your bowels right now. i am only telling you this becasue i DO care about you bill and you obviously have something going on that needs to be dxed. seriously bill,it has been going on now for months and months with all of your symptoms gone over and over again on the brain and now this board,with many many people really caring and trying to help as much as we possibly can,but we are not doctors. whatever you have to do, please get yourself fully and completley checked out. you just cannot find the answers to what your conditions are here on a message board,you NEED to be fully evaluated by an actual dr.

with the amount of money you have must have spent on getting the b 12 and any other suggestions/suppliments people have given you over all these many months,you could have paid for a good doc appt where they could actually test things for you,ya know what i mean? i am not trying to be cold or heartless bill,just trying to get you to see the need for having that eval.

you just have a very complicated bunch of ongoing symptoms that NEED to be properly evaluated and things tested for. it wont get any better this way,ya know? just what is it that you are afraid of bill? i know you are scared and have been now for many many months. but this is just not going to solve any problems you may have going on inside you. it will take an actual doctor with a hands on eval and some testing to really get to the true root of what is causing all of these ongoing symptoms you have been suffering with. i really do feel for you hon and have been where you are,it is scarey having insane things going on inside your body with no clear explanation as to why. but this is where the docs come in.

if you have to apply for possible general assistance or ssi or whatever you have to do here hon,you NEED some tests run and get to the source so you can simply feel better,ya know? it just sucks to feel crappy and scared every single day of your life. you just need answers at this point bill,true solid answers from a doctor who will work with you to find out whats wrong. i am only taking the time to type this to you bill becasue i DO care,not because i don't. i want to see a post from you telling me what it is the doc actually found wrong so you have that Dx and some help. you are just letting this run your life and it it appears to be winning. finding out what you are dealing with will help you in regaining that control back again. please just make up your mind to get this finally looked into properly be a real doc and then do it. its the best possible thing you can do for yourself right now hon,really. you have just been pushing this part off for way too long now and you are suffering dearly for it. you just need some real solid answers and to have your current bowel situation helped too. its not a good situation to be in which i am certain you actually feel pretty intense right now. been there done that one many times. you just need to find out right now what could be a possible obstruction in the bowels that could be holding things up too,you just wont know til it gets checked out. just please see your doc bill,K? this is the only place that can give you what you have needed all this time. who knows,things may not actually be as bad as you think either. please keep me posted bill, i REALLY am concerned about you. FB
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:00 AM   #3
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Re: Your advice didn't work.. what now?

Then you stick your finger up there and dilate yourself and "help out" anything that might be in the lower bowel(many people have to do this). All the suggestions you have been given are good ones so if they don't work then double everything. Use 3 stool softeners in morning and evening alllll the time. Then you drink double recommended Milk of Magnesia and then if that doesn't work by the end of day your drink more and if that doesn't work then drink Magnesium Citrate. Miralax is not a laxative but intended to put water into the poo and if you stopped after a day or two or three then oh well. Sooooo Mr.Bill there is so much more you can do it just requires you to do it...Everyone on this board has to figure out how to help themselves so get busy you have a lot to do today. Or go to the doctor because you might have a twisted bowel and all this might just make it so much worse. Good luck to you.

 
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I had severe (I mean SEVERE) constipation for many years. I cured it within a few months after I discovered acidophilus, in a small cheap bottle of pills. That was about 25 years ago. Nowadays they have all kinds of probiotics, acidophilus and many others, that range widely in price and come in various forms, but they're probably the ticket for you. It's one of the main ingredients in yogurt - really good yogurt, not the sweet, sugary fake stuff that passes for yogurt. And you need a really high dose of it, so you should probably find a strong supplement at this point; a carton of yogurt won't do enough for you right now.

Google "probiotics" to find out what these little babies can do for you. Find out how they work in the intestines and why you're out of balance.

Fiber and water and a good, healthy diet are necessary for good digestion, but if you don't have a good populuation of "beneficial bacteria" in your gut, you won't digest anything and will continue to be miserable. We're symbiotic with these bacteria. They break down food in the gut and help us absorb the nutrients and pass out the waste. It's easy to kill them off with antibiotics, stress, or a poor diet. They're not medicine or laxatives - they're food!

Please go to your nearest health-food store and find a probiotic supplement and add it to your diet immediately!! Keep up with the other stuff, too. This stuff saved my life!

Once you start to cleanse, your stools may be black and gooey (sorry, TMI) but they will normalize after a while. You probably have a lot of backed-up gunk in there and it will take a while to clear it out.

Been there, done that!

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One more thing: it sounds like you've whacked out your body in other ways too. All that straining is bad for your spine. If you're not seeing a good chiropractor, you should try one! (They saved my life along with probiotics - the quality of my life, that is!)

Best of luck!

 
Old 02-15-2009, 12:52 AM   #6
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You folks seemed to have taken my words the wrong way. My apologies. I must have gone too far.

 
Old 02-15-2009, 01:00 AM   #7
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I had severe (I mean SEVERE) constipation for many years. I cured it within a few months after I discovered acidophilus, in a small cheap bottle of pills. That was about 25 years ago. Nowadays they have all kinds of probiotics, acidophilus and many others, that range widely in price and come in various forms, but they're probably the ticket for you. It's one of the main ingredients in yogurt - really good yogurt, not the sweet, sugary fake stuff that passes for yogurt. And you need a really high dose of it, so you should probably find a strong supplement at this point; a carton of yogurt won't do enough for you right now.

Google "probiotics" to find out what these little babies can do for you. Find out how they work in the intestines and why you're out of balance.

Fiber and water and a good, healthy diet are necessary for good digestion, but if you don't have a good populuation of "beneficial bacteria" in your gut, you won't digest anything and will continue to be miserable. We're symbiotic with these bacteria. They break down food in the gut and help us absorb the nutrients and pass out the waste. It's easy to kill them off with antibiotics, stress, or a poor diet. They're not medicine or laxatives - they're food!

Please go to your nearest health-food store and find a probiotic supplement and add it to your diet immediately!! Keep up with the other stuff, too. This stuff saved my life!

Once you start to cleanse, your stools may be black and gooey (sorry, TMI) but they will normalize after a while. You probably have a lot of backed-up gunk in there and it will take a while to clear it out.

Been there, done that!
Thanks for your insight. Just today I have, at last, purchased Probiotics from the health food store. I got a brand called "New Chapter All-Flora." Here's a description from the bottle:

"All-Flora is a synergistic probiotic formula offering eight of the most well-researched and stable strains of friendly flora. These eight powerful probiotic allies have been carefully selected and blended in a unique fiber base of maximum balance and efficacy.
At the time of manufacture, there are 6 billion probiotic live cells in two capsules of All-Flora."

Here's the ingredients:
New Chapter All-Flora 76 Vcaps Ingredients:
Probiotic Live Cells (PLC) - 6 billion combined in 2 capsules *
L. rhamnosus **
S. thermophilus ** (PLC) *
B. breve ** (PLC) *
L. acidophilus ** (PLC) *
B. infantis ** (PLC) *
B. longum ** (PLC) *
L. plantarum ** (PLC) *
L. salivarius **n(PLC) *
*Daily value not established
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The bottle says to take both capsules on an empty stomach. I'm assuming first thing in the morning, just before breakfast, is sufficient for that? Sounds like a stupid question, but I have screwed these things up before, not being very bright and all that

 
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I can get cranky too when I don't go. I don't know your whole story but coming from a different angle, it could be possible it has nothing to do with intake and has something to do with nerve signals-which could be related to that feeling in your neck..It might be time to see a doctor if this is not your normal .

 
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I can get cranky too when I don't go. I don't know your whole story but coming from a different angle, it could be possible it has nothing to do with intake and has something to do with nerve signals-which could be related to that feeling in your neck..It might be time to see a doctor if this is not your normal .
What kind of neck/nerve-signalling problems are we talking about, which could cause constipation or other digestive issues?

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Just out of curiousity, if one might have a blockage, would Magnesium Citrate still be okay to use??

I'm afraid if I take it I'll have the feeling to go but won't be able to, which is extremely uncomfortable.

Having tried and "failed" another bowel movement after not having one for 4 days, yet again, I'm ready to tear down the walls... this is frustrating.

The 3 stool softeners, twice a day suggestion is tempting but these things are not designed for longterm or excessive use, because they can cause magnesium/potassium deficiency. That might even be part of my problem.

 
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...I'm very disappointed that the advice YOU GUYS offered does not work for me. I'm disappointed that you won't offer any other advice, and you won't own up to your words... you just ignore me...
You've posted on 5 different boards since joining Health Message Boards in October of 2004. Since that time many, many compassionate, knowledgable people have taken the time to address your concerns.

Perhaps its time to accept responsibility for your own health, and take the necessary steps to get the health care you apparently need.

As caring and compassionate as the members of these boards are, they can't diagnose, treat, or cure you.

 
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I sent Benit a private message. But everyone should know that acidophilus and other probiotics take a long time to work. But they DO work, if depletion is the problem. Once they get colonized in your gut, you will feel a million times better. This can take a few months.

Then you'll need to keep taking them, maybe a lower dose, once a day.

Getting colonics can be really helpful for severely constipated people. It's comfortable, not as harsh as it sounds.

 
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Well Bill I guess you do see that people do in fact care--by far the best response has come from feelbad.

My short response (if that is really possible for me) is-one poster mentioned nerve problems, and yes that in fact can be a possibility. If you have every hurt your back or neck, one of the questions that a good doctor will ask you is "do you have any urinary or bowel problems?" remember the nerves in your body speak to your head and instruct the parts of the body to do things--move your arms, walk, speak, breath and yes time to go to the bathroom. A good neurologist would be the doctor to see. Another possiblility is the mobility in your bowl may not be functioning properly. This happens if someone has a history of overuse of laxatives (anorexic or bulamic patients are prime examples) it can also be caused by you guess it --Nerves. Another poster mentioned your colon maybe twisted, well that is certainly worth checking out. I do not know how old you are; however, if you are 50 or older you are ripe for a colonoscopy, that will certainly give the doctors a good picture of your colon. Personally, I was having problems myself--my saving grace, apples, pears lots of veggies, drinking lots of water and peppermint tea. I also really changed my diet, I actually went on a diet to loose weight (20 lbs so far) and stopped eating junk food and really concentrated on eating whole grain cereals for breakfast along with a low calorie yogurt, a piece of fruit mid morning (bananna or apple) a light lunch (not a sandwich) and the very best no sugar added dark choclate pudding (jello). I do not know if the fact that I have cut out alot of sugar and carbohydrates from my diet, however, I can attest to the fact that things are moving along quite well these days. Since you have had problems for awhile, I would certainly not expect miracles overnight, in fact if you ate 2-3 apples or pears a day you may begin to see some improvement, however, I would not be surprised if getting you into a routine would take a few months and that would be if you continued and did not give up.

These are all suggestions, but I think the best first step is to see a professional-make an appointment with your primary care to start the ball rolling.

I knew if would be to good to be true that my response would be short.

Good luck Bill--I feel your pain

 
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Well Bill I guess you do see that people do in fact care--by far the best response has come from feelbad.

My short response (if that is really possible for me) is-one poster mentioned nerve problems, and yes that in fact can be a possibility. If you have every hurt your back or neck, one of the questions that a good doctor will ask you is "do you have any urinary or bowel problems?" remember the nerves in your body speak to your head and instruct the parts of the body to do things--move your arms, walk, speak, breath and yes time to go to the bathroom. A good neurologist would be the doctor to see. Another possiblility is the mobility in your bowl may not be functioning properly. This happens if someone has a history of overuse of laxatives (anorexic or bulamic patients are prime examples) it can also be caused by you guess it --Nerves. Another poster mentioned your colon maybe twisted, well that is certainly worth checking out. I do not know how old you are; however, if you are 50 or older you are ripe for a colonoscopy, that will certainly give the doctors a good picture of your colon. Personally, I was having problems myself--my saving grace, apples, pears lots of veggies, drinking lots of water and peppermint tea. I also really changed my diet, I actually went on a diet to loose weight (20 lbs so far) and stopped eating junk food and really concentrated on eating whole grain cereals for breakfast along with a low calorie yogurt, a piece of fruit mid morning (bananna or apple) a light lunch (not a sandwich) and the very best no sugar added dark choclate pudding (jello). I do not know if the fact that I have cut out alot of sugar and carbohydrates from my diet, however, I can attest to the fact that things are moving along quite well these days. Since you have had problems for awhile, I would certainly not expect miracles overnight, in fact if you ate 2-3 apples or pears a day you may begin to see some improvement, however, I would not be surprised if getting you into a routine would take a few months and that would be if you continued and did not give up.

These are all suggestions, but I think the best first step is to see a professional-make an appointment with your primary care to start the ball rolling.

I knew if would be to good to be true that my response would be short.

Good luck Bill--I feel your pain
Thanks a lot for your response and you're right, people do care. feelbad's response is appreciated. I have been needlessly confrontational for some reason. My fault.

I've been attempting the candida diet for a week--both for the severe constipation/IBS-C and also to see if my other health problems might be helped by it. I've done very well with getting rid of refined sugar (except for today when I added a little to my coffee) but haven't been able to ditch the bread completely. And there is no way in hell that I can stay off all grains and most fruits. Caffeine is also a no-no so I guess I'm trying the "liberal" candida diet.

Actually I really don't know what to believe anymore. Mainstream medicine doesn't go for the alternative medicine view that "systemic candida" affects so many people, and some gps don't believe in it at all.

 
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I think you misunderstood me--you NEED to eat the grains and I have at least two fruits a day. (Apples and Pears seem to be really great for regularity). Stay away from Cranberries and that includes the dried cranbrerries). I also have a salad every day.

I am really not familiar with systematic candia--I actually do not do alternative medicine. I am simply just trying to eat a healthier diet. I have actually been sick off and on since Dec 2005 and part of the illness is that I have developed a problem with my heart and I now have a cardiologist and Primary Care wanting me to go on cholestrol lowering medication. (These doctors are only doing their job, I do have a history of a previous stroke suffered when I gave birth to my daughter) I of course refuse, so I am controlling my cholestrol with diet. I have always heard that drinking coffee is as good as having a laxative.

It is sometimes difficult finding a doctor who is willing to branch out from tradional to alternative, however, they are out there. You just have to keep looking.

When I was sick I so all types of doctors--neurologist, oncologist, cardiologist and electrophysiologist. Some where receptive to look "outside the box" and some just really stuck with what they knew. My savior was actually one of the two neurologist who I saw that mentioned a rare side effect to one of the medications that I was taking and got me an immediate appointment with my oncologist. My oncologist really did not agree, however, she did take me off that medication. The majority of my symptoms cleared within 6 months .

Keep plugging along, but do not totally discount modern medicine.

 
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