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Old 02-27-2009, 08:05 AM   #1
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Hi, I have become more tired over the last 6 months and the results from a couple of blood tests seem to demonstrate that I am an healthy 50 yo male! I have had to stop working because I am easily exhausted; my symptoms are, tender glands in my armpits, sweats and feeling chilled, slight swelling above left eye which makes eye feel tired most of the time. Doctor recommends anti-depressants as normal bloods points to psycho-somatic condition. Because of swelling above left eye, I thought that it might be sinus related and ENT consultant has discovered the presence of a polyp. I don't want to take any medication unless I absolutely have to and especially wish to avoid anti-depressants! Any suggestions anyone?

 
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Re: Mystifyed!

"tender glands in my armpits, sweats and feeling chilled"
When do you have the sweats? Does your family have a history of cancer? Have you: 1. been exposed to anyone with any illnesses? 2. traveled outside of the country? 3. had unprotected sex? had gay sex? 4. used illegal drugs? 5. drink well water? 6. live on a farm? 7. have any pets? 8. changed brands of deodorant lately?
Also, what is your profession?

Swollen, tender lymph nodes in the armpits could be an infection or an allergic reaction to a new soap, cream or deodorant.

 
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:11 AM   #3
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Many thanks for replying to my posting; you have asked more questions of me than my GP? My work is sedentary and office based although I do live on a farm. I have been a dairy farmer for much of my working life but haven't had anything to do with cows for 5 years now. I haven't had sex, gay or unprotected heterosexual for 3 years, since my wife died and I have never slept with anyone other than my wife of 17 years. I use an antiperspirant that kills bacteria to prevent bad odour but isn't scented and am too typical of outdoor type males and wash infrequently! I was in Peru back in 1988 and had a good dose of travellers trots after drinking what I thought was a fizzy drink but was in fact a cordial made with river water. Mum died of breast cancer, one of my sisters from ovarian cancer and Dad from overexposure to steroids which were prescribed for his asthma. I don't do drugs but enjoy the occasional pint of organic beer or cider. We do have three sheep dogs although we no longer have livestock so they have become family pets but live outdoors. The only sick people that I come into contact with are my children, who bring back coughs, colds and sore throats (and nits!) from school. I have done a self diagnosis and consider that I might have candida type problems, so am cutting out bread and confectionary and hopefully will begin to feel better in a couple of weeks!

 
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Re: Mystifyed!

This may seem far-fetched but will offer it anyway. You say you live on a farm. Do you think you could have had a tick bite? Some ticks carry Lyme Disease. You can look up the symptoms if you think this might be a possibility.

 
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Re: Mystifyed!

You also could have some type of virus--the swollen glands, chills and maybe a low grade fever. You are tired because your body is telling you that you need to sleep to help it fight whatever infection you may have. I love doctors who think that just because your symptoms do not fit their textbook than you must be depressed. I often wonder how you could have visual symptoms and really not have those symptoms.

The previous post suggested Lyme and I would certainly looked into that theory. Make sure that you see a rheumotologist who has experience with Lyme Disease.
You should also try to drink extra fluids (water or gadorade) and get some extra sleep. If your symptoms begin to get worse or really do not improve, I would suggest returning to your doctor (if you still feel comfortable seeing this closed minded professional).

Good Luck

I hope you feel better soon

 
Old 03-04-2009, 07:43 AM   #6
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Thanks for taking the time to read my posting and for the useful reply; having read about Lymes Disease, my symptoms are not too dissimilar. Coincidentally, I was prescribed the same antibiotic as is used to treat Lymes for a sinus infection which I had just after Christmas so if I did have Lymes, maybe it will have knocked it out! I will see a psychiatrist; I won't take anti-depressants until I have a second opinion and will stick to my anti-candida diet until I see the mind expert.

 
Old 03-04-2009, 07:47 AM   #7
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Many thanks to you for taking the time to read my posting and for the helpful suggestions that your reply contains. I am taking time off work so that I can rest and now can take a cat nap during the day if my body feels that it needs it!

 
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If indeed you did/do have Lyme it is imperative that you see an LLMD (Lyme Literate Medical Doctor). The other's are clueless about Lyme. Also, there are only a few labs in the US that have proper testing and protocol for Lyme. You could also visit the Lyme board on this site.

 
Old 03-04-2009, 10:13 AM   #9
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Hi Phillip,

Like you, my sister self-diagnosed with candida about 8 years ago.
She had your symptoms, yet they found nothing.

She now has chronic advanced lyme disease.

Because doctors don't know beans about Lyme disease, Conversion disorder (or being psychosomatic) is often diagnosed. Like someone stated, if something doesn't fit nice and tidy inside their diagnostic box......not a good doctor.

I wonder which is more common, an invasive cause (viral/bacterial) in an otherwise normal health history, or a conversion disorder. It's logic.

Please do not see a rheumotologist, please see a Lyme literate physician---
preferably an ILADS member---

as living on a farm, having dogs easily means Exposure to ticks as a possibility.

As you've researched for yourself, gland, lymph, sinus, gastrointestinal, yeast problems....and many many more....all can be symptoms of lyme.

Sweats can also point to other tick-borne diseases ("co-infections"), so seeing a LLMD would be a prudent course of action.

Please also note that there is no test in existence that can rule lyme out or in, so a lyme literate physician is the only way to go in this regard.
So: Nothing "showing in your blood" doesn't amount to much.

Given your fatigue, I would also suggest:

- being checked for Thyroid antibodies.
Note: hyperthyroid and/or Hashimoto's are very common in the lyme patient population;

- have Adrenal Function checked (saliva test kits are available) as this could be the source of the fatigue. (Adrenal fatigue is found in about 40% of lyme px.);

- take your temperature every day, 2x per day if you can, to show the doctor---could demonstrate a pattern that could reflect adrenal and/or thyroid issues.

If this hasn't been done already(sorry, I may have forgotten everything you wrote)--
a full panel for Vitamin/Mineral levels. With the fatigue, Iodine levels should be looked at considering a potential fatigue source of thyroid dysfunction.

Your fatigue really speaks to me. I have lyme too and it's the biggest obstacle most day.

Best to you on sleuthing this out for healthy recovery.

Last edited by 22dreams; 03-04-2009 at 10:14 AM.

 
Old 03-10-2009, 02:32 AM   #10
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Thank you so much for your comprehensive res;ponse to my posting and I am so sorry to learn that your sister has advanced Lyme's Disease and that you too have been laid low by the elusive bacterium. I know that UK GP's are under severe pressure to see a patient every 10 minutes and I do wonder if it's possible to a thorough analysis of blood test results in a patient's alloted time. It's possible that recommendations are included on the results passed on to the Doctor and all that he has to do is read a summary. I'm slightly amused that when the bloods don't show up anything abnormal, my poor health is my problem. I guess that someone like myself who looks up medical problems and treatments on the internet and becomes a bit of a 'quack doctor' must be the bane of the medical practitioner's life, however they only have themselves to blame because they don't take ownership of our ill health and we have to sort ourselves out! Our location in Wales UK isn't tick prone and although I will not rule out 'tick borne fever', I wouldn't place it athe top of the list of likely causes for my fatigue but there could be other zoonoses which I might have picked up from my days as a dairy farmer. I remember having symptoms similar to what I am experiencing at the moment back in 1992 and the doctor that I saw then wanted to prescribe antidepressants because of normal bloods and that is when I stuck to an anti candida diet and after 3 months was slimmer, fitter and full of energy again, so it's worth a try again I think. The responses to my posting have given me other leads to pursue and more questions to ask of the doctor if I don't feel better in a couple of weeks, so many thanks to everybody for their helpful suggestions.

Sincerely,

Phil

 
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