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Old 04-14-2013, 10:06 PM   #1
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When is it going too far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

My wife and I are having a lot of problems over our different views on healthy eating.

Now, we do not really disagree on what is healthy and what is unhealthy. The disagreement is about how you draw the line / compromise on "perfect" avoidance of unhealthy foods.

Your kid goes to a birthday party...can they eat a piece of store-bought cake that the other kids are having, or do you bring a special gmo-free, organic, cup-cake for your child to eat to avoid getting any gmo products or excitotoxins or high fructose corn syrup or whatever?

My view is kind of simple, kind of complex. I used to eat everything. Then I was a vegan. Now I eat everything again. I try to steer to healthy choices, but to me I figure, I've got to die of something, I'm not in this life to chase physical immortality. I'm here to interact with others, grow, learn, enjoy, teach, whatever. There's more to life than longevity. If our kids get teased or ostracized for eating weird, is that healthy? How does the psychological impact of a nonconformist dietary philosophy weigh against the health benefits?

I see a hypocrisy in the parent who would move heaven and earth to prevent their child from ingesting a cold medicine that could help alleviate a child's pain and distress from a bad cold, because it contains half a milligram of a possible carcinogen, when that same parent will drive the child to play dates when there is as much chance of getting a serious car accident as their is that that half a milligram of questionable ingredient in some medicine is going to somehow harm the child in the long run.

Okay, I realized I'm rambling and not being very clear. Just trying to see other perspectives than mine (or my wife's) on this issue of how you decide when to go with the flow and just accept that not ever ingredient in every food you eat is risk-free, versus taking a zero tolerance approach to potential risks.

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Old 06-11-2013, 10:24 AM   #2
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Re: When is it going to far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

I think everything in moderation is fine......
if you deprive yourself of something, you will binge later on something else...
it's just human nature. I would steer toward healthy choices along with educating your child on WHY you would choose one thing over another, but I absolutely would NOT send a child to a birthday party with their own organic cupcake....I think that borders on ridiculous! Is that what your wife is suggesting? If so, does she follow such a strict diet herself? I would wonder if this is turning into a control issue with your wife, which in itself would be unhealthy.....

 
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Re: When is it going to far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

I think when it starts to become dysfunctional it's time to re-evaluate the situation. My brother is a pretty strict vegan and it's really hard to have a good time with him and his family. We have trouble finding restaurants that the whole family can go to. Most potlucks or family holidays are harder than they need to be because only a few of the people at the function need "special" food.

It's not that he's a bad guy, but most people think twice before inviting him to anything like a picnic or party.

In my opinion, if you eat vegan or healthy for the majority of the year, what's the problem with having some "packaged" food 1 day a month. It's not going to kill you.

But hey, that's just how I roll... I am sure my brother would have a different opinion.

 
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Old 06-15-2014, 05:05 PM   #4
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Re: When is it going to far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

Where to draw the line: Stick to what's healthy, period. Especially when kids are in their formative years. If you start blurring the line with a little cake now and then, and maybe some cookies at certain occasions. A little candy at Holloween, then there's Easter, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, other birthdays and the list goes on and on. Before you know it, there will be no line at all and you'll be eating the Standard American Diet.

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Old 02-27-2015, 06:25 PM   #5
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Re: When is it going to far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

I agree with everything in moderation is fine. I agree that no one should go overboard to make sure their kids don't get to eat a piece of store bought cake. I also agree that there is more to life than being healthy. I am not a healthy person and I know I'm not. I am trying to get healthy though but I won't go overboard about it. I won't avoid all unhealthy foods if I like the food but I will ear it in moderation.

 
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Re: When is it going to far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

i think the problem with your wife, what does your wife say or do when you eat something that is not"kosher". hint: Organic food is not really organic, its just a rubber stamp by the fda, if they dont have a certain amount of pesticides, or processing. its like 0% transfat, we all know there is transfat in certain foods. its actually very easy to avoid unhealthy foods, most foods that come in boxes or cans are processed in some way, "chemically treated, preserved". you just have to look at where the source of the food comes from. Companies are making a killing off of organic foods, because of its expensiveness, and they know people will buy it regardless of the content. you seem to buy more for less of the product.

 
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I think that moderation is key. I eat very healthy now as I've had some surgeries and am trying to stay healthy and lose weight..and I'm not as prone to give into pressure to eat junk food as I once was, but at the same time.. who can eat, or "be" perfect? I think in life it's important to favor progress over perfection. Perfection is an unrealistic goal. I try to feed my daughter a lot of fruits, veggies, and organic foods but I would not send her to a birthday party with her own organic cupcakes. I understand wanting to protect your child from becoming unhealthy and you want to encourage positive eating habits and that is honorable, but you don't want to turn a child into someone who is alienated from their peers and you don't want to deter them from unhealthy foods to the point that when they are away from home or when they do get freedom they are binging out on junk food. I think balance is a good strategy.

 
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I think that moderation is key. I eat very healthy now as I've had some surgeries and am trying to stay healthy and lose weight..and I'm not as prone to give into pressure to eat junk food as I once was, but at the same time.. who can eat, or "be" perfect? I think in life it's important to favor progress over perfection. Perfection is an unrealistic goal. I try to feed my daughter a lot of fruits, veggies, and organic foods but I would not send her to a birthday party with her own organic cupcakes. I understand wanting to protect your child from becoming unhealthy and you want to encourage positive eating habits and that is honorable, but you don't want to turn a child into someone who is alienated from their peers and you don't want to deter them from unhealthy foods to the point that when they are away from home or when they do get freedom they are binging out on junk food. I think balance is a good strategy.
Processed foods are rarely organic, because to process foods to be in a box, can, or jar. they need some kind of process. even organic plant matter, needs to be washed with some kind of chemical so they wont make you sick.

 
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Moderation is key, as everyone has mentioned.

 
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Moderation is key, as everyone has mentioned.
You know its truly organic if you ate from what you grow in your backyard, although there are risks as well. Even organic foods contain carcinogenic compounds, usually as a byproduct of the plants physiology, or another symbiote organism living on it(cant be helped). Plants produce chemicals to protect themselves from being eaten, so it make sense it can produce chemicals that can harm you as well, or accumulate in your fat. Also the ground(dirt, collects many pollutants). Im pretty sure organic foods have to be eaten fast, because they tend to rot faster, because they arnt treated.

 
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Re: When is it going too far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

Ken,

Yes, there is more to life than chasing immortality/longevity; there is health! If you like, you can forget about longevity or chasing immortality and just concentrate on living a healthy lifestyle. And doing so doesn't mean you can't "interact with others, grow, learn, enjoy, teach, whatever." And your kids can learn to do that.

Kids are not going to get teased or ostracized for eating a healthy diet. If they do, the kids doing the teasing are not worth having as friends.

Having a "nonconformist dietary philosophy" means you will be teaching your child to think for himself or herself. You should teach your child about food by simply explaining what's good and what's not good, and also by example. In order for kids to think for themselves they need to become informed.

Kids who don't learn to think for themselves are likely to take up smoking if their friends start smoking, drink excessively at parties or take drugs if their friends do so. That may be the result of raising a conformist who's willing to do anything for the sake of friendship.

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Old 05-31-2015, 08:43 AM   #12
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Re: When is it going too far trying to avoid unhealthy foods?

I found that the 80/10/10 whole food plant based diet was the only thing that worked for me Good luck!

 
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