For those of you that don't know me, I had a patulous eustachian tube on my left side for almost 9 years.
I wanted to let everyone know that 8 months ago I underwent the cartilage graft PET surgery with Dr. Poe in Boston.
This has been my experience with the surgery:
The surgery took 3 1/2 hours (it doesn't normally take that long but he said mine was one of the worst cases he'd ever seen and it was a lot of work to reconstruct it). the recovery (like all surgery) was horrible. the first 48 hours were the hardest. he did the surgery by putting a camera in my nose and he did all the work by going up the back of my throat. the pain for the first 48 hours was due to the swelling in my throat (3 1/2 hours of having instrumentation up there). after the first 48 hours it got a little easier, and after a week I was able to swallow food with out it being very very painful. my throat and my nose were the things that hurt after the surgery. there was no pain at all in my cheek/face/ear/eustachian tube.
he had to take cartilage from my nose because he needed a lot (normally he takes it from the outside part of the ear, but he told me he had to take it from my nose because he needed so much), so my nose hurt and was swollen and I was worried that I would end up looking different because he had to take the cartilage from there but eventually it went completely back to normal and now it looks the same as it ever did.
ok, now about my ET/my ears. My hearing was really sensitive after the surgery for quite some time, maybe 2-3 weeks, the sound of a knife and fork was very uncomfortable for example, but that went away eventually, once enough time had passed after the surgery, it was just from the trauma.
After the surgery, my left ear (which is the side that was patulous) felt "plugged" and my hearing was very quiet on that side. i noticed a significant reduction in my hearing on that side. this is because my eustachian tube was blocked, because of what he'd done and because of the swelling. i was terrified that it was going to stay permanently blocked and I would never hear properly out of that ear again, but Dr. Poe assured me that with time it would gradually "clear" and my hearing would be fully restored. He was right. after about 6 weeks, my left ear started to pop and crackle and squeak here and there, and bit by bit it "cleared". this was because the swelling had gone down and also because when he does the procedure he has to over correct it (over block it) to begin with and then the body absorbs a bit of the cartilage and the idea is that you end up with just the right amount (or as close as he can get).
It's now been 8 months and I can say that i've been really delighted with the results of the surgery. I'm so so so glad I did it.
my life is not 100% PET free, it does come and go a little bit, but it's an enormous improvement compared to how it was before. before the surgery my life was very difficult indeed because my PET was so bad (I used to have it very bad). It's really hard to say how often I get it now, it really varies.
I've spoken to other people that have had the procedure and they say that when they get PET now, the autophony is not nearly as bad. in my case, when my ET open nowadays, the autophony is just as loud as it was in the past, but it doesn't last as long (it's not as relentless) usually my ET closes up again quite soon...sometimes within a 30 seconds, sometimes 20 minutes. Sometimes I might get PET on and off for 2-3 days (which can be botersome). other times I'll go 3 weeks with bearly any PET at all. It does still play up when i do exercise for instance. or if I'm really stressed. But I can tell you that it's not enough to really interfere with my life any more.
In the past I wanted a solution that would fix it completely; i didn't want something that would "improve" it. but i can tell you that I'm so grateful for the improvement. I can deal with it being a small feature in my life. I've been able to do many things I couldn't have done in the past. I feel like I can now a least work my life around it.
something that I want to make clear to you is that *in my case*, my ear does not feel different or altered in any way, I just have PET far less often than I did before. that is the only difference. just less PET. my ear doesn't feel weird in any way or changed (it did for a while after the surgery but only for 6 - 8 weeks).
I have been in touch with a couple of his other patients and their stories are very similar to mine. the only down side is that for some people it seems to come back eventually because the body absorbs all the cartilage, but Dr. Poe has ways of working with that. He builds on the scar tissue that is left behind from the graft so that eventually your eutachian tube is plumped up enough by your body's own material. One of the guys I spoke to was PET free for 9 months, but now it's come back and he's going back to have the procedure done again (but this time it won't be as major because he'll be building on the scar tissue). each case is different i suppose. and i wouldn't be surprised if there are people who's PET hasn't come back (to the point where they've needed more work) since the procedure, perhaps the ones that didn't have it that bad to begin with. i don't know, I'm just speculating.
I know how frightening it is going ahead with something like this (oh how I know). the best thing is to make an appointment to see dr. Poe and talk to him about it. i can only tell you about my experience, but I know that everyone is slightly different (but the 2 other people I spoke to both said their ears felt "normal", just less PET, like me).
Dr. Poe is very serious about not permanently over correcting the eustachin tube, which I found very reassuring. he prefers that you come back several times if necessary till it's just right, or till the frequency of PET symptoms is reduced enough for you to be able to live with it, than to over correct/block your eustachin tube and leave you with a whole new set of problems.
Dr. Kujawski is a doctor in Geneva who I understand was trained by Dr. Poe in how to perform the same work. They are the only people doing it as far as i know.
Again, I want to tell you that to date, I'm very very pleased with the results and if i could go back in time I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. It really worked out for me. If mine starts to come back too frequently then i won't hesitate to go back and see him again.
Did Dr. Poe, or anybody else, understand the cause behind your PET?
Do (did) you have LPR (Laryngo Pharyngeal Reflux)?
Have you experienced frequent otitis, before developing PET?
Are you allergic? Maybe continous inflammation may have lead finally to PET.
Were you too thin when PET started or had you experienced a significant weight loss that may have caused PET?
Anything else I did not mentioned?
I think that, in some cases, if one figures out what the cause of PET is, then PET may be controlled more easily.
you're welcome. I'm glad to be able to share it with you.
first I want to say that I've read my post again and I want to slightly clarify something that i said (I am very conscious about giving you the most accurate information/account of my experience as I can).
The person that I said was PET free for 9 months and now has to go back to see dr. poe because it's come back. He wasn't actually completely PET free for 9 months, he was just like me for 9 months, intermittent PET (i suppose when I said PET free i was thinking "life interfering PET free"), sorry that wasn't worded correctly. and now his PET has come back completely and I don't know exactly what his procedure is going to entail this time, but I *assume* it won't be as major (dr. Poe said it's never as major as the first time). The other person I spoke to (I spoke to two of his patients in total) has the same degree of PET frequency as me nowadays and it's been 2 years since his surgery and he's still not feeling the need to go back for a "top up" which is good news in my opinion. perhaps he won't ever need to, perhaps he will if the frequency starts to increase. I'm sure each individual case is very different.
your questions:
1. Did Dr. Poe, or anybody else, understand the cause behind your PET?
2. Do (did) you have LPR (Laryngo Pharyngeal Reflux)?
3. Have you experienced frequent otitis, before developing PET?
4. Are you allergic? Maybe continuous inflammation may have lead finally to PET.
5. Were you too thin when PET started or had you experienced a significant weight loss that may have caused PET?
6. Anything else I did not mentioned?
1. dr. Poe told me that he thinks for some people the cause of PET might be autoimmune - specifically related to Rheumatoid arthritis (because it's degenerative and effects the cartilage). I myself did test positive for Rheumatoid factor, and I do get arthritic pains. when he said that, my intuition told "that's what it is". but actually we don't know for sure. but it's a strong possibility. he said he's seen a pattern of people with PET and RA.
2. what is Laryngo Pharyngeal Reflux? is that the same as acid reflux? I did ask him about that (because i do get that sometimes) but he didn't seem to believe it was related.
3. No
4. no allergies
5. weight loss was never related to my pet. I think that is something Dr's say because they read it in a paper somewhere, and they don't know what else to say to you about PET, they usually know very little about PET. i know it does happen to people with eating disorders, that they lose fat in the ET, but that had nothing to do with mine. in my case i think it was mostly cartilage degeneration.
6. if i think of anything else i'll let you know (promise)
Dr. Poe is the most superior ENT doctor I've ever seen (and I've seen many "top" ENT's). it was such a relief to finally be in the hands of someone who knew more about PET than me! he doesn't consider the ET to be an orrifice that needs filling, he's see's it as a complex and important organ in itself, and his surgery is an attempt to make it as "normal" as possible. i think that he is your man when it comes to PET. and get this..he even know's what PET is like because he gets it sometimes when he does exercise, which is one of the reasons he's made such an effort to create an effective procedure, because un-like other doctors he actually know how unpleasant it is.
as well as being an expert in PET, i think he's also a brilliant doctor and general ENT so he will know what is going on with you, and if he doesn't.. he will tell you that he doesn't know. i've never met a less egotistical doctor in my life.
LPR is a kind of a GERD: acid coming from your stomach hits the mucosal tissue at the back of your nose and around your tubes. Since this mucosal tissue is very "fragile", it may get damaged even though your stomach and esophagous are OK and you do not have GERD symptoms!!! It is called BLIND ACID REFLUX, because you have no symptoms.... till PET shows up!!!
That's what Dr. Kujawski told me about my PET!!!
Before developing PET, anyway, I was on a diet (driven by a doctor) and I had a significant weight loss, from 85 Kg to 65 Kg (I'm 171 cm and, anyway, 65 kg is a healthy weight for me). When I finished the diet, I was OK for other 6 months, then PET started.
You say that Dr. Poe didn't seem to believe that LPR was related to your PET. But, as far as you know, does he consider LPR as a possible cause for PET in general?
Dr. Kujawski told me that weight loss is not a major cause for PET. Anyway, I think that in my case the mix of weight loss and LPR may have damaged my tubes.
My PET is "semi-patoulous", since normally my tubes stay closed, and only pop/click when I swallow/yawn. Also, they pop when there's a small change in external pressure (such as when a door slams or when I burp, even slightly). So, up to now, nothing that can take over my life. But all the things I've read on the Internet have scared me so much, that I have been seraching information in order to face with PET when (and if) it worsens.
My main complaint, right now, is a permanent tinnitus (high pitch sound) in my right ear (the most affected by PET).
Do you know of anybody operated by Dr. Kujawski?
Did Dr. Poe ever mentioned Dr. Kujawski?