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Old 06-16-2003, 06:23 PM   #1
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Hi There,

Does anyone know what the difference is between a herniated disc and a ruptured disc ?

I was told I had a ruptured disc. On some websites, ruptured and herniated seem to be used as substitutes for each other to mean the same thing. On other web sites I have searched, the two appear to be quite different.

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a clear definition of one versus the other.

Also, if anyone has been through this, I'd be curious as to what physiotherapy exercises you've had recommended to you. My physiotherapist has been recommending 'extension' exercises and my ortho told me that 'flexion' exercises are what I should be doing.

I'd appreciate it if anyone has any thoughts or experiences on this.

Thanks so much, and good luck to all on back woes.

Dave.




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- hockey impact injury to top of head in Dec. 2002
- physiotherapy & chiropractic visits which did not fix the problem
- pain shooting down into butt, leg, and calf
- numbness in foot
- big pain when coughing, laughing hard, or sneezing. Trouble sleeping at night.
- ruptured disc between L5 & S1
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- hockey impact injury to top of head in Dec. 2002
- physiotherapy & chiropractic visits which did not fix the problem
- pain shooting down into butt, leg, and calf
- numbness in foot
- big pain when coughing, laughing hard, or sneezing. Trouble sleeping at night.
- ruptured disc between L5 & S1

 
Old 06-17-2003, 03:44 AM   #2
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Hi Dave!

There are many threads here recently on this very question. Just do a search and you'll see that a number of veterans have put the definitions out there!

Good Luck!!!

Karen

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9/22/00 24 hour labor, baby posterior, left tailbone killing me
12/00 MRI - PCP said nothing amiss - but, had to begin taking vicodin
2/8/02 - 2nd baby born after long, painful pregnance as weight gain
2000-11/02 various PT + pain meds
11/02 Referred to Neuro
3/03 NEW MRI - shows slight bulge L3-L4,slight DDD Neuro Refers to PM for ESI
3/03 PM Doc orders ESI
3/21,4/1,4/8 - ESI's no help
5/9 - Discogram - shows Tear L4 w/ significant leak onto nerves, DDD
Doc sched NEW discogram 'cuz performing doc oversedated, False Negative
New Consult w/ Dept Head Cleveland Clinic 7/8

 
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Old 06-17-2003, 08:51 PM   #3
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Hi Dave

A herniated disc and a ruptured in my experience are one in the same. Had one three times from the same disk. The last time I had the same symptoms as you have, big pain when coughing, laughing hard, or sneezing. Trouble sleeping at night, and pain down the leg. All that is gone now after I had surgery. The success rate for your kind of pain being fixed with surgery is very high.

Hope this helps

Nico

 
Old 06-17-2003, 09:16 PM   #4
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According to [url="http://www.asnr.org/spine_nomenclature/glossary.asp"]www.asnr.org/spine_nomenclature/glossary.asp[/url] the terms herniated disc and ruptured disc mean the same thing (a localized displacement of disc material, where localized means distorting less than half of the circular circumference of the disc).

Exactly what exercises you do depends very much on your particular situation (time elapsed since injury, direction of the herniation, size of the herniation, etc.) so please make sure you consult a physical therapist who carefully studied your MRI before recommending exercises.

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3 months PT and Ibuprofen
Reherniation late Feb 2003
Nerve block mid March 2003
Microdiscectomy 4 April 2003
3 months PT (trunk stabilization)
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Old 06-18-2003, 04:15 PM   #5
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Thanks for the feedback, all. I'm going through micro discectomy next Tuesday. (June 24th)

Hope everyone else fares well with their issues as well.

Dave.
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- hockey impact injury to top of head in Dec. 2002
- physiotherapy & chiropractic visits which did not fix the problem
- pain shooting down into butt, leg, and calf
- numbness in foot
- big pain when coughing, laughing hard, or sneezing. Trouble sleeping at night.
- ruptured disc between L5 & S1

 
Old 06-18-2003, 05:25 PM   #6
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Karen/Mokita,

I actually had looked around on web sites and this message board and could not find a definitive definition between the two.

After reading your signature file, I just couldn't imagine the pain that you must have gone through with your ordeal.

Dutch400, 3 herniations from one disc ? My goodness.

HNP, thanks for the advice and clarification.

Gosh, after hearing about some of your ordeals, I feel relatively lucky. You folks have suffered. Best of luck to you all and thanks again.

Dave.

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- hockey impact injury to top of head in Dec. 2002
- physiotherapy & chiropractic visits which did not fix the problem
- pain shooting down into butt, leg, and calf
- numbness in foot
- big pain when coughing, laughing hard, or sneezing. Trouble sleeping at night.
- ruptured disc between L5 & S1
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- hockey impact injury to top of head in Dec. 2002
- physiotherapy & chiropractic visits which did not fix the problem
- pain shooting down into butt, leg, and calf
- numbness in foot
- big pain when coughing, laughing hard, or sneezing. Trouble sleeping at night.
- ruptured disc between L5 & S1

 
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******* Bumping up for Mizcriz*************

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Two level laminectomy fusion L5-S1 & L2-3 done on 12/6/02.
I regret the day that I agreed to have this surgery.
Fifteen inch scar from the very top of butt crack (sorry), to the bra line.
BAK cages, rods & screws.(Titanium)
My pelvic bone was used for grafting.
Praying that the other two discs in between, won't have to be fused later, as I was told it was a possibility, due to the other two discs in between, not being in that great of shape.
Doc didn't want to fuse four levels, unless it is really necessary.
I would hate to repeat the surgery, as the recovery period, is so very painful.
I also have a free fragment in my T11-12 area, that I'm still refusing surgery for, at this point in time.
That surgery is way too dangerous for me to consider, until if affects my being able to walk.

 
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************* Bumping up for Mizcriz******************

I will be back on later today or tomorrow in case anyone is looking for me, I have more crap to do today http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/dizzy.gif

Please have a wonderful day

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Two level laminectomy fusion L5-S1 & L2-3 done on 12/6/02.
I regret the day that I agreed to have this surgery.
Fifteen inch scar from the very top of butt crack (sorry), to the bra line.
BAK cages, rods & screws.(Titanium)
My pelvic bone was used for grafting.
Praying that the other two discs in between, won't have to be fused later, as I was told it was a possibility, due to the other two discs in between, not being in that great of shape.
Doc didn't want to fuse four levels, unless it is really necessary.
I would hate to repeat the surgery, as the recovery period, is so very painful.
I also have a free fragment in my T11-12 area, that I'm still refusing surgery for, at this point in time.
That surgery is way too dangerous for me to consider, until if affects my being able to walk.

 
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