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Old 09-30-2008, 05:33 AM   #1
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I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

I will make my questions in points 1 - 6

1) I had around 2 - 3 years ago, what could be considered "risky" encounters for the possibility of contracting herpes.
Also, a couple of months ago, I had an incident where I had a naked women sit on my lap(I was also naked), on my penis, so I did not have sex, but just her lap sitting on my genital.

2)I did not think anything of herpes, let alone not even knowing what it was.
I had an "outbreak"(and I say the word outbreak, but hopefully not referring to herpes outbreak)of sores in my mouth. They were very painful so I went to the Doctors, and he said that possibly looks like herpes?? He was not sure though. Any way, he gave me some pills(can't remember what they were), in the next couple of days, the canker like sores cleared up.

3)I had never had any pain or symptoms in my genital area, however, I did have bumps on my penis for a while, maybe like 3 - 6 months, but never had any pain. They were like "blister" looking bumps, under the skin and never painful though.

4)It was not until recently(in the last couple of weeks), did I have some pain in this genital area. They pain that I had was slight burning, and I noticed that the bumps got a little red.
I went to the Clinic, and the Doctor said does not look like herpes(on my penis). I started reading on herpes, after that initial Doctor had said something about that when the "canker - like" sores were in my mouth.

5)I took comfort in that, so tried to forget about possible herpes. I did since the pain subsided for a bit. But then, I started noticing a bit more pain, and a burning like feeling, on my penis and genital region.
Until 2 nites I had EXTREME pain and burning in the genital area, and pain in my legs and rear. I felt like putting an ice cube would make it feel better. The only time it felt better was when I laid down, and did not walk around.
This lasted about a day or so. I did notice that some of the "bumps" were blister like, and that they would have a tiny whitehead, almost like a pimple with a whitehead. I did not noticed any fluid or discharge, but they were small bumps, so may have been hard to feel any. I never had any discharge of anything when I had to urinate. But all I remember is pain and burning in this area.

6)Well, I went back to another Doctor, to get a second opinion. I was nervous because I was sure that the Doctor was going to say it is herpes by looking at the bumps, blisters, whatever they were. I did notice that some of the bumps had tiny scabs over them, unless I was just being paranoid?
The Doctor looked and felt over the penis area, and said that she did not believe it looked like herpes. She said that she has seen herpes, and it does not look like it.

7)But from reading this Board, I thought that I would ask for a blood test for Hsv 1 & 2, with IgG and IgM tests. The doctor said, ok, she said to ease my mind, but she said that it does not appear to be herpes.

8)So, last week they took my blood, and I got the results that the nurse said they read Negative for Hsv 1 & 2. I called back and had her repeat it, because I am so scared because my symptoms resemble herpes, and I did have what could be called "risky" incidents.
The nurse said that she will have the Doctor review, and sign off, and the nurse called back, and she said that there are NO trace of antibodies to herpes in my blood. She also said that if it were a herpes outbreak, she would believe that she would see antibodies fighting the virus, so the blood test would read those antibodies.

Is this true? Members of the Board

9)Anyway, my latest status. I took comfort in the Negative results reported, but still nervous. Last nite I felt a heated sensation down in the genital region again. I was nervous. The Doctor had given me some cream to put on the bumps - blisters on my penis, it seemed to help last week. So I have been putting it on everyday.

10)Ok, get this, I am REALLY nervous again this morning, because I woke up, showered and on my way to work, and as I sit here typing, I have some burning down on my penis and genital area again!! This is getting to much!!
I looked at my penis where the bumps are, and looks like a couple of red blister looking bumps. There are some bumps that have been on my penis for a long while, and never break out, but I am scared, because this is what it felt like before I had those couple days of bad burning pain down there in that region and legs!!

11)I did ask the nurse yesterday of how long would it take for antibodies to herpes to show on the tests(Igg & Igm is the tests they took)? She said that most of the percentage of people, will show in 6 weeks, if they are going to show positive for herpes.
She said like Hiv(and I have had risks of that also), the medical profession says about 30 - 60 days(and most likely sooner than that).

12)In conclusion, my question(s) to the Board members.

-Do I take comfort in the negative antibody tests? I did ask if there were any reading that showed a "low positive", because I did read that somewhere. The nurse said no, that the numbers are definite reading on the Negative for herpes.

-So, if I take comfort in the Negative tests readings, why the heck am I feeling these symptoms again. Right now, it is a slight burning sensation on my penis and genital region, not super painful, but it reminds me of before when I did develop the harsh pain.

-I hope and pray that it is not herpes, and I am trying to take comfort in the negative antibody readings for herpes, but I am scared again, because of these symptoms!! I am stuck here, and nervous. There is a lot riding on this in relationship to family, etc.

Please advise me of what may be going on, and if there is an illness similar to herpes. And has anyone experienced what I am going through currently?

Thanks!

(I do not mean to whine, but this is hard :-(

 
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:31 AM   #2
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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

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I will make my questions in points 1 - 6

7)But from reading this Board, I thought that I would ask for a blood test for Hsv 1 & 2, with IgG and IgM tests. The doctor said, ok, she said to ease my mind, but she said that it does not appear to be herpes.

8)So, last week they took my blood, and I got the results that the nurse said they read Negative for Hsv 1 & 2. I called back and had her repeat it, because I am so scared because my symptoms resemble herpes, and I did have what could be called "risky" incidents.
The nurse said that she will have the Doctor review, and sign off, and the nurse called back, and she said that there are NO trace of antibodies to herpes in my blood. She also said that if it were a herpes outbreak, she would believe that she would see antibodies fighting the virus, so the blood test would read those antibodies. (
First you need to calm down. Multiple posts on multiple boards. The stress/guilt is going to drive you nuts. But ... to answer these points:

7 If you read this board then you know we tell everyone to NOT get the IgM tests, as they are useless. You are throwing money out the window and doctors who still order them are either clueless or looking to get some $ for ordering incorrect tests.
8 Get copies of the blood tests for your records. Look at only the IgG results and see what they say.

Something is going on with you because you are still having bumps and burning and such. You need to followup with a doctor. It may not be herpes though. Did they ever take a scrapping of a bump for HPV?
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Old 09-30-2008, 08:30 AM   #3
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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

I asked my Doctor of the Igg results numbers. She said that she received a Negative back from the lab. She said that if there were any reading of close to positive, she would have gotten the number reading sent also. My doctor is very nice, but I think she is starting to think I am nuts or anxiety issues. She said that all she can tell me is that reading for herpes is negative, like her nurse called me yesterday to say. I told the Doctor that with all of the symptoms, it makes me worried on the negative antibody reading. She said that I need to rest in that reading, and that whatever is going on, on my genitals, is not herpes

Also, is having a naked ladies bottom sit on my naked penis(so not just a lap dance with clothes on)a risk for herpes, This occured a couple of months ago. And also that on that same incident a couple of months ago(and this is gross), I did receive a blow job, but with a condom on. I am so ashamed, but I have to tell the truth to see if any risk(s) for herpes

My Doctor said to move on, she said that a negative antibody reading wit the Test IgG testing for HSV 1 & 2, is showing that I do not have herpes.
Maybe I should just move on? What is your opinion after reading this latest posting of mine.

 
Old 09-30-2008, 12:02 PM   #4
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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

You ought to have a blood workup done to test for all possible STIs, not just for herpes. Also, the information you were given is incorrect that you will test positive within 6 weeks. Actually the latent time period is more like 3-6 MONTHS. It took me 4 blood tests in a SIX month period before I finally tested positive. Like you, I kept having continual symptoms, so every couple months I got re-tested. If the latest encounter happened only about 2 months ago then blood tests might still indicate negative for high enough antibodies. Also, I'd suggest you go to Planned Parenthood or an STD clinic or a specialist like urologist and get a HerpeSelect type specific IgG blood test. This is the best type.

Hope that helps!

 
Old 09-30-2008, 01:33 PM   #5
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You ought to have a blood workup done to test for all possible STIs, not just for herpes. Also, the information you were given is incorrect that you will test positive within 6 weeks. Actually the latent time period is more like 3-6 MONTHS. It took me 4 blood tests in a SIX month period before I finally tested positive. Like you, I kept having continual symptoms, so every couple months I got re-tested. If the latest encounter happened only about 2 months ago then blood tests might still indicate negative for high enough antibodies. Also, I'd suggest you go to Planned Parenthood or an STD clinic or a specialist like urologist and get a HerpeSelect type specific IgG blood test. This is the best type.

Hope that helps!

I have been also on Web MD, and the Doctor Nurse practitioner said this,
(and she has been working in the herpes field for a long time)

"You should move on and believe the negative test results. Do not see a dermatologist to rule out herpes. You are driving your self crazy because of your behaviors, I believe, that are inconsistent with what you believe you should be doing. This is manifesting itself in genital symptoms and worries. I think the best way to deal with this is to change your behaviors, and hopefully, your worries will also resolve or at least improve. You don't have herpes."

*Also 2 doctors looked at my penis where the bumps are, and they both said does not have the appearance of herpes to them*

I recalled my Doctor also with the inquiry, and she is stating that if I had herpes, it would show.
It has been at least 2 months since the last encounter(which was a naked lady sitting on my lap sitting naked on my penis and receiving a blow job, with a condom on). Don't you think that would be a low risk contact?
Any last encounter before that was a couple of years ago, maybe more. But the only thing recently was what I mentioned 2 months ago.

Here is also another posting from a Senior member(whom has herpes), comment to me

"You have new things going on today so go and be seen today. Don't think just herpes though - let them examine you and test you for other things.

Your last oral sex encounter was protected and wasn't likely to result in anything. You can contract herpes without actual sex but just someone sitting naked on your lap is very, very low risk too.

Being completely negative at 2 months post encounter is a likely sign that this isn't herpes. As I said - your efforts are better off going to be seen and properly examined with your new symptoms."


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Oceanus, what are you thoughts regarding this?
Do you think my recent exposure was herpes risky?
Any other encounters I had, sadly to my shame, since 2002, a few times, where had protected sex, nothing unprotected, with which could be considered herpes "risk" individuals. I am not saying they had herpes, but not sure. Now, these risky incidents happened over a couple years ago.
So that is far enough out to develop antibodies for IgG Hsv 1 and 2, isn't it?

Then the only other chance would have been with the situation I explained earlier, a couple months ago, and should be low risk, correct?

But what is odd, is that I started to develop "bumps" before the 2 months ago incidents, so I have had the bumps for a while, with no pain.
So it is odd, isn't it?

What was your encounter where you may have contracted herpes?

Thanks

 
Old 09-30-2008, 03:16 PM   #6
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I suggest getting the Western blot test. The herpeselect test is the best on the market. however i have my own personal speculations about that test. I read in a journal article that it is accurate for individuals that have recently been infected, but perhaps not the best for individuals that have had it in their system for awhile.

Just to be safe and to ease your mind. i know this can drive someone crazy. trust. i am going through the same thing. You should definately invest in the western blot test, just to be 100% sure. But i might agree with your test results and what your doctor says b/c your experiencing symptoms that means if you did have HSV1 or HSV2 you would have active antibodies in your system, at high enough levels for the test to detect. If you were not experiencing any symptoms but yet had some reason to doubt the results, i would def. get the Western blot test.

hope everything works out!

 
Old 09-30-2008, 09:23 PM   #7
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I stick with what I wrote the first time....

It can take 3-6 months post exposure for a blood test to come back positive. I am the perfect example of this. It took me SIX months and constant symptoms after 20 days incubation time for a blood test to show positive. I had sex using a condom, a low risk behavior that nevertheless ended with herpes contraction. You also participated in a low risk sexual act, however, it still carries some risk. Herpes is contracted from skin to skin contact. There doesn't need to be intercourse. If she rubbed against your genitals with her genitals, you could have gotten herpes in this manner.

I think the expert on ***** also told me I probably didn't have herpes either when I was freaking out for MONTHS with no diagnosis. I called a herpes hotline even and was searching for answers, but to no avail. Then someone on here mentioned to me that it can take up to SIX whole months for some people's bodies to build up high enough antibodies for a test to detect. So I waited and waited and took 4 tests during a six month period, and wallah, herpes II positive. Everyone's bodies are different for how long it takes to build up the antibodies. Why haven't you gotten tested for ALL STDs????!! You should definitely do that. Did you get any of the sores swabbed by a doctor? They can diagnosis herpes using that method too if the sores formed less than about 48 hours beforehand.

I would highly recommend to get a HerpeSelect type specific test done every couple of months thru 6 months post your latest possible exposure. If it's still negative then, then you can rest assured it's not herpes. Until then get tested for all the other STDs.

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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

We keep talking about you, but what about your wife? She is 7 months pregnant correct? Has she complained of any discomfort 'down there'. Frankly, I'd be more worried about her than yourself at this point. Hopefully since you had this 2 month ago encounter, you have not had sex with her. The baby could be seriously effected if the mother has herpes at the time of delivery.
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Old 10-01-2008, 05:58 AM   #9
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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

Good point, that is who I am concerned about, and nervous that she may have something sometime, if I have it also(which the tests confirm I do not).
If I were single and no relationship, then it would be ALOT easier to deal with, because then it would just be affecting me, and I would be ok with that.
She has had no signs of any reaction down in her genitals, or anywhere else.

 
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I called herpes select customer service line, and he said only can be taken (or ordered?) by a Clinic or Physician. I thought that I could order and take the blood test myself?

Also, thats what I am/was thinking also about being enough antibodies in my blood, because I am having the sickness and some sort of symptoms now, I would think that because they are active now, the antibodies to herpes virus would show?

What do you think about that? Do you have herpes? How common do you think it would be to get herpes by having skin on skin contact (butt on penis)?

 
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Oceanus, I have been tested for Hiv in the past years, about 1 year past my exposure to possible Hiv. I did get really sick(with Hiv ARS symptoms)about 2 weeks after the possible exposure to Hiv, back in 2002. I mean I was deathly sick, and the only thing I could find that would match would be Hiv ARS symptoms, and I am SO serious.
So from that point, through the months, and even a year out, I had Hiv antibody tests, PCR viral test(looking specifically for the virus), all in all I had about 10 - 12 Hiv tests from the time I got SO sick, to a year out.
My wife also tested with an antibody test before we had our first child, in 2003.
What worries me, is the harsh symptoms that I had, and some symptoms have hung on through the years, but not even close to the deathly symptoms that hit me SO hard!
What is weird about the past years, is that any sexual intercourse I had, was with a condom on, and the last sexual intercourse would have been over a few years ago.
What is weird is that I did develop "bumps" for a longtime, but under the skin and never hurt. Because the sexual contact was in the past years, I am figuring that the recent tests would have detected Hsv 1 or Hsv 2 by now.
But like I said, the only recent contact was the scenario's that I experienced 2 months ago.
I talked to my Doctor the last couple of days, and she said that the tests would be definitely showing a trace of having the herpes virus, especially having some symptoms, the antibodies would be at work already, and if it were Herpes 1 and/or 2, there would be a trace of something.
What do you think?
I have to tell you last nite(and I feel WAY better this morning), I had tremendous pain, it was SO tough to sleep, but I did get to sleep finally.
I have been taking 800 mg of advil/ibroprofen daily every 4 hours.
I am just praying that it is not herpes 1 or 2. I gotta believe that the antibodies would show by now?
If it were herpes, do you have any suggestions to ease the pain, when it comes?

 
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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

Question,

Wouldn’t it make sense that if what I were experiencing (symptoms I have mentioned in earlier posts) was a result of the Herpes virus, that antibodies would show, because a virus or something is being fought, does this make sense?
I can see if there were no symptoms, that it would be hard to detect antibodies. I am just thinking that antibodies would show for a virus if experiencing symptoms, because the IgG would detect some antibodies fighting.

 
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Stop trying to use some type of personal logic to relieve yourself mentally into thinking you have zero chance of having herpes. I had constant symptoms from about 21 days after having protected intercourse one time and all my blood tests were negative until six months later. This proves that what you are saying does not hold true. Just because you have severe symptoms does not mean your body has developed enough antibodies. Oh contrary....it could also mean the opposite. Once the body builds up enough arsenal of antibodies against an invader like herpes this usually stops the invader from doing harm. Herpes is different from most invaders because it hides in the body's own cells and also at the base of the spine where it can't be touched by the immune system to be destroyed.

You obviously have some type of disease/illness and you should find out what it is!! You can either use my advice or not.

 
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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

Please forgive me, I just am going with the IgG results, and others I have spoke with who have herpes, and state that this is not herpes from what I am explaining. I have had 2 Doctors look in my genital area, under a microscope light, and both said for me to settle down, because whatever I have is not herpes. I tried to almost convince them it is, because I am SO fearful it is. So then the last Doctor told me to ease my mind, that she will give me an IgG test testing for Hsv 1 & Hsv 2. I called to get the results this week, preparing for positive on herpes. The Doctor said, that there are absolutely no traces of Hsv 1 or 2.
Then I have spoken with a couple others whom have herpes, and they said that with the sickness being so "acute", if it were herpes, it would show some sort of herpes antibody in my blood.
Please understand me, I hear what you are saying, but SO fearful. If it were/is herpes, how can I take care of this pain? I have been taking 800mg of ibroprofen every 4 hours for the past days. Won't this eventually hurt my kidneys?
Is there anything to relieve? I am up for anything.
I did want to ask you, that I have heard(if it is herpes), that the 1st couple outbreaks are usually the worst, and then they eventually get a little better and better?
Also, you aren't completely saying that I have herpes are you? I do have a chance that it is not correct? I do have to place some confidence in all of the Doctors and tests, and people with herpes also.
It just frightens me, I can't even explain how much, if you think that I have herpes for sure. Thanks
Please respond as soon as you can, thanks :-)

 
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Re: I am very nervous and puzzled tests good, but syptoms back

Now Drew, This is what you asked for: Another opinion to scare you and i'm sure you are freaking out now. This comment doesn't mean you have anything, IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPINION AND YOU KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU!!!! GET OFF BEFORE YOU MAKE YOURSELF SICK. okay?

 
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