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Old 12-14-2006, 05:38 PM   #1
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Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

Is it possible that muscle pain can increase even if Lovastatin was discontinued one month ago? Lovastatin was taken for 6 months. Thanks.

 
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

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Is it possible that muscle pain can increase even if Lovastatin was discontinued one month ago? Lovastatin was taken for 6 months. Thanks.
Absolutely !! I have been off statins now well over 8 months now and I still have some pain, but not like it was at the beggining. From what I have read, some never get 100% normal.

I have to take 2 1/2mg of prednisone daily to keep it under comtrol. I do get twinges of muscle pain starting from the buttoks down to my calves, so I have to catch myself before my legs buckle completly. Hopefully it will go away and I can be pain free once again.

Take 200mg's of COq10 AND THAT SHOULD HELP. I do and it did help. Look up COQ10 on the web for a clear understanding what it does.

You may recover 100% since you were on statin for only 6 months. I was on statin for well over 30 years.

Consult your Dr. for blood test for PMR-- Poly Malagia Ruematica as a precaution.

Good luck. Hope this helps

 
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

I have been on lovastatin for 5 months and quit it all together last May due to leg pain. It is now over 7 months and I am just getting relief from leg pain. The pain was unbearable and I couldnt even walk around a parking lot without stopping and also to drive the car was painful (the pain was in my right leg) When I spoke to my doctor about this he didnt want to say that this pain was from lovastatin. I will not take any statins again. The only relief I received from the pain was taking motrin 3 times a day. The pain will go away eventuallly but it does take time. I feel I am 80 percent better.

 
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

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Is it possible that muscle pain can increase even if Lovastatin was discontinued one month ago? Lovastatin was taken for 6 months. Thanks
That's not likely. Pain caused by a statin would likely either abate or remain the same.
Have a CPK test to look for muscle cell destruction, to be on the safe side.

Is there anything you DO that is a likely source of muscle damage? Weight lifting, running, heavy lifting?
Which muscles hurt?

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Old 12-15-2006, 08:49 PM   #5
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

Thanks so much for your answers. Lenin, in reply to your question which muscles hurt? Both my legs and both thigh muscles. Lenin, what is your stand on taking CQ10? Thanks again.

 
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

Thanks so much for your answers. Lenin, in reply to your question which muscles hurt? Both my legs, both thigh muscles, and both arms. Lenin, what is your stand on taking CQ10? Thanks again.

 
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

Thanks so much for your answers. Lenin, in reply to your question which muscles hurt? Both my legs, both thigh muscles, and both arms. Lenin, what is your stand on taking CQ10? Thanks again.

 
Old 12-16-2006, 06:49 AM   #8
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

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Is it possible that muscle pain can increase even if Lovastatin was discontinued one month ago? Lovastatin was taken for 6 months. Thanks.

starship,

Yes - it is possible.

I was on Lipitor for 7 years when I was hit with serious muscle pain and weakness. Mine did continue to get a little worse for a month or so after I quit the Lipitor, and it took over 1.5 years before I felt 'normal' again.

CoQ10 is vital for the mitochondria to function properly. And mitochondrial damage takes a while to recover from.

I took 150-200mg CoQ10 daily while I had my problem. I can't proof it is what cured me, or that it sped my recovery, but even the UCSD Statin Study team recommend taking it if you are on statins, and especially if you experience statin-induced muscle pain.

I started with a brand called Q-Sorb. I later switched to Q-Gel - because it is better absorbed and you can take a lower dose. Whichever you take, take it with a little bit of fatty food (like buttered toast) - because it is absorbed better when you eat something fatty.

My advice is to take about 200mg CoQ10 daily - and to be patient. Most people who've been on statins for more than a few weeks take a while to recover.

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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

starship,

Alas, thigh muscle pain is the most likely kind of problem with statins.

CoQ10:
Since you've stopped the lovastatin a month ago,there seems little reason that CoQ-10 would abate the problem. It's not curative and if it has any merit it is WHILE one is taking statins.

It can't hurt though.

<PS.. the only problem I ever had with Lipitor was a very particular kind of thigh pain the first 10 days on the drug...then nothing.>

 
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Starship,

Here is a direct quote from the UCSD Statin Study web site regarding CoQ10 and statin-induced muscle pain:

STATINS AND CoQ10

Although symptoms usually resolve on stopping the drug, for a proportion of those who have contacted us, muscle symptoms – pain or weakness – or peripheral neuropathy may persist when the drugs are discontinued. There is published scientific evidence that statins lower coQ10 levels in a dose-dependent fashion; that low levels of coQ10 relate to muscle and brain pathology; and that restoration of coQ10 may lead to diminution of symptoms in those with muscle or cognitive problems. We have received a number of anecdotal reports from statin users who developed muscle problems who report benefit from adequate doses (which vary from person to person) of coenzyme Q10 supplements, which are available over the counter. There is also one small controlled study that reported benefit of coQ10 to statin muscle symptoms. There are also controlled studies showing benefit of coenzyme Q10 supplementation in persons who have low levels of this biochemical not necessarily related to statin use. Coenzyme Q10 should be in gelcaps, in an oil or vitamin-E base to be absorbed.

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Old 12-16-2006, 12:56 PM   #11
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

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Thanks so much for your answers. Lenin, in reply to your question which muscles hurt? Both my legs and both thigh muscles. Lenin, what is your stand on taking CQ10? Thanks again.
You have the classic leg pains that I had from statin drugs. It first started in my neck and shoulders and moved down to my legs. And yes the CQ10 does help. I am now off lipitor for about 8 months now, with a brief trial of Chrestor for 7 days and the pain came back with a vengence. Stopped, and the pain subsided after a few weeks. However I still have a very little pain left, but I can live with that.

I'm not Lenin, but i know what I am saying, from experience going through this mess. The rest is up to you !

 
Old 12-17-2006, 12:43 PM   #12
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

I went off 40mg of Lipitor about 11 weeks ago, 90% of my side effects went away almost immediately, joint pain is still somewhat of an issue. My approach was to try and "cleanse" my body. Lots of water, and exercise to try and flush my system. It may be purely psychological but compared to the way I felt 2-3 months ago, I feel fantastic. I'm sure statins are great for millions of people, but for some of us, it is pure poison to our body. And what really ****** me off about it was that I was paying $40 a month co-pay to destroy my health!

God bless to all those in recovery from statins.

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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

There is a very good explanation for your problems... Lenin is wrong on his answers...but as this was directed at Lenin, I suppose he should answer your questions.

 
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Re: Muscle Pain (Lenin Help)

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I'm sure statins are great for millions of people, but for some of us, it is pure poison to our body.
That really IS the issue, plain and simple.
The drugs are LIFESAVERS for those who can take them but horrible for those who cannot.
Demographics are clearly showing that the former are the large majority.

This is not unlike penicillin...a wonder drug that saved many lives, but also killed many with a single shot!

An anecdote: I have a friend who got sore feet often. He took Lipitor and went on an extensive 6 week tour of China (I'm green with envy.) His right foot MURDERED him so he came home and discontinued the Lipitor...foot hurt less. But still it continued and continued. He went to an Orthopedic Specialist who determined there was nerve impingement that would require surgery and did he remember anything from his past about the foot...he did: he'd broken it exactly where the doctor found the impingement 30 years earlier. Result is similar to carpal tunnel syndrome but with feet nerves.
He went back on the Lipitor and is considereing the minor surgery.

Morale: Yes, statins CAN cause muscle pain...but once those aches and pains stray too far from the standard thigh and buttock pain, don't be too quick to jettison the statin. The drugs are lifesavers and should only be tossed out when one is SURE they are cauing pain.

Remember, pain existed in the human condition LONG before statins were invented two decades ago. People had myalgia, neuritis, sciatica, damaged discs and vertebra, arthritis. These conditions have not disappeared and will occur at the same rate to people whether or not they take statins.
People with few heart risks can more readily toss the statins at the first ache or pain, but those with heart disease or parents with heart disease, who smoked for 20 years, or are overweight or with diabetes must be more discriminating lest they are tossing out the thing they need MOST. Never forget the overhwhelming fact: MORE people will die of heart disease than any other cause.

Make SURE your reason for discontinuing a statin is a valid one, and not merely an "internet scare."

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Its seems that more people should be concerned with the internet scare and the drug company scare that inform people they must take statins. Cholesterol is not the monster people make it out to be. Statins have never been proven in ANY trial ANYWHERE to be life savers to women. ALso higher cholesterol in the elderly is associated with increased longevity....this includes higher LDL. THe "standard" thigh and buttocks pain is the start of proximal muscle weakness, which is one of the devastating effects of lowering cholesterol....not statins...just plain old lowering cholesterol. You must also remember that not all muscle damage comes with pain. You must also remember that not all muscle damage (including severe) shows up in liver tests. Its funny that statins have been on the market for quite a while....deaths from heart disease have not been reduced. Something is wrong when in the early 1900's there was no heart disease to speak of.. This has been confirmed (earlier) from doctors of that time. And, no, deaths were not overlooked due to heart disease. The diet of that time included was more saturated fat than is ingested today. If you look at nutritional charts for the USDA from 1900 to present...you will see the addition of margarine, and many more sugars and refined (processed) foods and grains. The charts start to go up after these introductions. Its funny how a few reports on statins and diabetes cause people to overlook that statins are know to create insulin resistance and incresed sugar in the blood. The first articles touting the "miracle" wonders of statins cause people to over look the continued research into the matter. Drug companies put out the first articles....including the ones for statins and alzheimers, statins and breast cancer, statins and blah, blah, blah.....These have all now been shot down by continued research. I think it is important to read the Honolulu Heart study...This is a long term study, and could answer many questions, or maybe cause people to question the cholesterol theory.

 
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