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Old 05-27-2004, 01:44 PM   #1
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Zuzu... Atenolol

Saw your post on it from a while ago...

PS I developed diarrhea on both Atenolol and Altace plus cough as well on the Altace. THAT was fun!
No side effects whatsoever on Diovan. With well controlled BP

Altace did the same thing to me. Atenolol is inconsistent with me. It does it to me way too often.

Just want your advice on what to do. Just taking atenolol right now. Read my previous post on my new doc. & you'll get a better picture.

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

Axe-

I have IBS ( over twenty, count'em ladies and germs, 20 years now).

Atenolol, as you know from my older post, exacerbated it big time. Told my doc that the diarrhea I was experiencing w/Atenolol was much much worse than my "normal".

He was really reluctant to take me off the Atenolol. Said that the worsening IBS was just a coincidence. (my arse). Pardon the pun.


Our little "discussion" continued the rest of my office visit when I finally said I want off meds entirely for a week or two to see what happens to my gut.
To which he agreed.
Diarrhea subsided back to my old "norm". (Nyah nyah told ya so!) BP was climbing again though.

So we then went to Altace. Got more diarrhea plus cough.

He FINALLY put me on Diovan. And all is well now.

My advice would be to call your doctor before July and simply say that you cannot live with these stomach problems...that you never had them before the Atenolol, and could you please try a trial with an ARB.

It would not make any sense for her not to respond to a plea from you on the phone. And one so reasonable, specific and finite.

zuzu xxx

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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

I tried that. They said to cut it in half & take it with food.

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

Gee Axe, if taking a half dose with food hasn't helped, (although hasn't it only been a few days?) then... dare I say it...maybe it's time for yet another doctor who will listen to you and work WITH you.


I absolutely do not understand the agenda this new one is pushing.

zuzu xxx

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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

I don't either. I'm not going in for the July appointment. I just had a full physical & blood tests, CBC, Metabolic Panel++++, thryoid, everything is fine. Switching to a much better job & will be without insurance for 3 months. Trying to decide whether to Cobra but I feel fine. I'm in great shape right now. The doc's agenda...

Take B/P at the office every couple of months

Re-evaluate glucose in 6 months, even though it was only 103.


There is nothing else that needs to be tested that didn't turn out alright.

I just want to be on a B/P med with no side-effects, if I even need one...

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

I did what you said Zuzu. He said that he wants me to set an appointment. He can't just wean me off of the drug without one. I just saw him 2 months ago. It has changed my lifestyle & made me feel worse than ever (especially my stomach in the mornings). I have no choice, but to set another appt.

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

Way to go, kiddo! You know and I know that the doc could start this wean without an appt but he needs to cover you-know-what...

So be it.

The point is to get you comfortable once and for all.

zuzu xxx

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

I agree. He didn't have any appointments until November 10th. Ridiculous.

They offered for me to have an appt. with the Nurse Practicioner, but I turned that down. I think that I have had 5-6 appts with him, so they really don't see it as pressing. I just feel that the nurse wouldn't be as knowledgable. They just seem to look at a manual like pharmacists as to what possible side-effects a med. can have. She would need the docs approval anyway I would imagine. This is all so ignorant to me.

If they want to cover there a** then they should worry about how Atenolol & Lotrel cause me to feel & set an appt. quicker than November 10th.

It is extremely frustrating, because it just seems that docs. dismiss the side-effects if B/P is under control. They like to use the line "they are good meds". Good meds. for some maybe, but at 100 MGS of Atenolol & 5/20 of Lotrel, it is an awful lot for someone who is 150 pounds.

From your experience, does taking them at night as opposed to the morning make a difference? I am driving my girlfriend insane, because of my hacking cough (at times) & I sleep like a log & interupt her sleep, since being on the meds.

I can't believe how inept the doctors of today are from my experience. My B/P was 120/78 in his office. Isn't that enough????? He wouldn't let me wean 2 months ago & wouldn't switch meds. Today my B/P was 114/66.

What if this dose causes my stomach ulcers or GI Problems?????? I wouldn't call that cya when they schedule an appt. almost 3 weeks from now.

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

Lillian's Axe, I'm confused. Has your doc now told you to cut the Atenolol in half? Does that mean you are now on 50mg?

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

No. he said that I needed an appointment in order for him to "allow" me to do that. I want completely off of the drug. I am still on 100 MGS & miserable with the side-effects. He didn't have an appointment until November 10th, so I had to take it. They offered me an appointment with a Nurse, but that was B.S. imo. My B/P was 114/66 the last couple of days on the meds. I think that weaning off of that miserable drug would make my life much much better.

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

Lillians Axe, why not be a rebel, get a pill cutter and cut the bloody things in half? Why do you need permission? Why not just give it a shot and see? Also, do you think your side effects might be less if you take your meds at night? I take mine at night and I think the fatigue is much less than if I were to take them in the daytime. Just a thought.

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

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Originally Posted by Lillians Axe
No. he said that I needed an appointment in order for him to "allow" me to do that. I want completely off of the drug. I am still on 100 MGS & miserable with the side-effects. He didn't have an appointment until November 10th, so I had to take it. They offered me an appointment with a Nurse, but that was B.S. imo. My B/P was 114/66 the last couple of days on the meds. I think that weaning off of that miserable drug would make my life much much better.
This is my first time replying to someone else on this board. I really don't feel I am knowledgable enough to contribute much here but, here goes.

The one thing I've noticed with your results Axe, is that they are 'normal' with the help of these drugs. Does this not suggest that if you came off your BP would rise again? (correct me if I'm wrong)

I'm guessing that if you were to have a BP that was low on the drugs it would suggest then that you have no need for them and that off the drugs your numbers would raise to normal. I'm a true beginner with this subject and I may be way off in my analysis of your situation with the meds and your BP, it just seems logical to me? *shrug

About the Atenolol, I can totally relate to your feelings about the drug, my experience on it was also awful and I still think I am feeling the fallout from it a month later. I'm real phobic about drugs that mess with your heart etc, so feeling the slightest pains and stuff in relation to taking the drugs really effects me but, towards the end of my stay on Atenolol things were getting out of hand and definitely not imagined. I think I am allergic to it as the symptoms I was getting are in the extremely rare catergory and I had them before I even found out that it was possible for this drug to cause it, so I knew it wasn't my mind playing tricks.

Strange thing is that for some people Atenolol is a wonder drug with no side effects, which allows them to lead the life they had before BP was diagnosed (lucky them) they must read the replies of people who the drug is a downer for with a face like In this circumstance (BP control) wouldn't it be great if everyone was the same and that the drug worked wonders for everyone without nasty side effects? Ah, dreamng of Utopia

I hope you are given the right course of treatments at your next appointment if, indeed, you need any.


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On another note, Zuzu, cold you please reply to my post in the thread I made? I'm at my wits end

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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

I'm guessing that if you were to have a BP that was low on the drugs it would suggest then that you have no need for them and that off the drugs your numbers would raise to normal. I'm a true beginner with this subject and I may be way off in my analysis of your situation with the meds and your BP, it just seems logical to me? *shrug

Seems logical to me. Took my B/P the last 4-5 days straight & it has averaged 116/66. Say that each B/P med. lowers it 7 points or so on the top # & 5 points on the bottom one. I am on Atenolol & Lotrel. Lotrel is like 2 drugs in 1, so I will give it the benefit of the doubt. Using this logic my b/p would be 137/81, which it was a few years ago. Is it a little high? Yes, but through more lifestyle changes I can get it even lower.

KFZ, I would love to be a rebel. I want off of the stuff entirely. If I need one med. without side-effects I can deal. I am going to be tough when I go see the doc. on November 10th. This is B.S. I am on meds. with dosages for people that have had a stroke or CHF. I have had neither. My B/P has been consistent at 116/66, yesterday is was like 112/64. I wonder what it is at 10 P.M. at night??? 100/60. I am trying to do things the right way & have always been a rebel. If my doc. refuses, I will go to my specialist at the university & he can advise him on what I should or should not be on. Obviously, he doesn't have a clue. I have never dealt with so many clueless doctors in all of my life.

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

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Using this logic my b/p would be 137/81, which it was a few years ago..
Axe- Taking the logic one more step...

Yeah, but wasn't it 137/81 just coming off that 3-day binge?, (sans meds...not that high to begin with) and you have already instituted lifestyle modicfications and continue to do so, so my "logical deductions" tell me that a) You may never have needed BP meds in the first place and/or b) Your healthy changes may hopefully be enough to get you off meds altogether.

zuzu xx

 
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Re: Zuzu... Atenolol

AX and others- Just an addendum about how an incompetent nurse ( or doctor) can screw you up roundly.

The other day, I had my BP taken at my gynecologist's office by a new (to his office)nurse. She fumbled and fumfered, didn't follow basic protocol, didn't support my arm (nor did she know how to or that she even should)...When I told her that raising or lowering the arm away from heart level causes significant changes in blood pressures, and that the error can be as large as 10 mmHg, she was mind-boggled.

Not sure if she was humiliated or grateful for the new info. Hoping it was the latter. I did mention to my doc later in private that he should be aware that she might need a little help.

zuzu xx

 
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