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Old 10-26-2004, 06:45 AM   #1
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Palamedes Must Be A Doctor

Or a Med. Rep.

This says that alcoholism can contribute 2-4 points on your systolic and 1-2 points on your diastolic

Yeah right, it increases my pulse rate about 10-15 points when I drink & my B/P is about 10-15 points higher on the systolic & 8-10 on the diastolic. I don't believe this B.S. study, because it doesn't apply to me. Alcoholism also causes panic attacks & anxiety.... How much does that raise your B/P???? For me it was a lot, so I don't care what the Mayo Clinic Study says. They don't take those factors like anxiety & panic attacks from drinking into account.

Altace was a good start.

A good start to what???? Having to be on B/P meds for the rest of my life. I really enjoyed the tingling sensation in my arms that it gave me. I also enjoyed the fact that it made me feel more anxious, gave me no sex drive & didn't do anything, but make me feel miserable. Atenolol & Lotrel should be saved for CHF patients or those who have had a heart attack. I am 34 & have had neither. I took my B/P yesterday & it was 118/68. I took it 26 hours after taking my meds. Guess it was the meds. huh???? The guy after me was 164/78 & is taking 1/4 of what I am taking for blood pressure (in terms of meds.) & he has had a heart attack. He looked at my #'s. I take my B/P 3 times & he said, "you look like a model, why are you on so many meds???" Exactly. I am 5' 11" 151. Full CBC, Metabolic Function Test, 2 EKGS & 1 Chest Xray. My B/P has averaged 116/66. Sometimes I take my meds. later in the day (30+ hours later) than before & it will be the same.

Toprol is a natural progression to what???? Feeling like junk for the rest of your life, same goes for Atenolol. It's great feeling like a zombie at 3 everyday. Your post conflicts everything I believe in for myself. These meds s**k for me.

I emailed my HBP Specialist friend at a University in Florida. He said that I should be weaned off of the Atenolol & stay on the Lotrel for now with my #'s. He gives speeches across the U.S., so he would know more than the Jag*ff GP down the street.

The 1st specialist that I went to wanted to wean me off of the Toprol & the 2nd wanted to take me off of the Atenolol altogether in time. She left the state. The only one that is scared to wean me off is my 3rd doc., even though he said I have isolated hypertension (White-Coat).

 
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Old 10-26-2004, 10:27 AM   #2
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Re: Palamedes Must Be A Doctor

Axe,

You keep mentioning your HBP specialist friend at the University of Florida. Why don't you ask him/her to instruct you how to wean? Then you will see how your numbers are without the meds.

 
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Re: Palamedes Must Be A Doctor

Harkins,

It's at a University located in South Florida about 1 hr. away from my work. During the week I work 55-60 hrs. a week helping people with there fin. planning. I just started with this company 2 months ago & have taken a few days off for a wedding already. It would take me 3-4 hrs. to meet with him.
He basically told me that he would get me down to 50 MGS of Atenolol & that it sounds like I have white-coat (which is all true). In another month or two, I will be able to see him, but I can't take a million hours off of work. He said that he has to see me to talk to my doc. & give him instructions (I find that funny). I have had 5 appointments already this year.... that is enough at 34. Should I even bother seeing my regular doc. on Nov. 10th or should I just go directly to the specialist when he returns to town??? It kind of bothered me, because I asked the specialist what kind of insurance he accepts, cost + & he just responded that he goes by referral only......

 
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That is strange. He has to give your doctor instructions? If he is a friend, why can't he just give you the instructions over the phone or in an e-mail?Weaning is only a matter of cutting down gradually over a period of time.
Beats me.

 
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Re: Palamedes Must Be A Doctor

I was about to ask the same question as Bharkins... However, the fly in the ointment is that even if specialist friend decided to help on the phone...basically "take over" your case...the fact that he's far away and not easily accessable is a problem. I can understand his reluctance not to get too deeply involved without your GPs knowledge. Axe- It's hard to "work" with a physician long distance, so as savvy as your friend may be, my advice would be to keep that Nov. appt anyway. Doc #3 said he is now willing to wean you. Sounds like you've finally convinced him.

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I probably phrased it wrong Zuzu. The specialist said that he would wean me down to 50 MGS of Atenolol & eventually off of the drug. My current doc. wouldn't wean me over the phone. He has never said that he would wean me. He wouldn't wean me before even with an average of 116/66 like I showed him. It was 120/78 in his office. I guess that I have to go to the appt. to see. The specialist said he couldn't wean me or recommend anything to my doc. without seeing me.... it's kind of diffucult being so far away.

 
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Re: Palamedes Must Be A Doctor

Axe, can't you just lower your own doses and wean yourself. Im sure many people have gotten off meds without a drs help. Otherwise, what other choices do you have.?

 
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Re: Palamedes Must Be A Doctor

Axe-

I am majorly confused now! In another thread you said that your doctor (not specialist friend) had insisted on one more appt. Nov 10th before he would wean you off Atenolol. There was, I think, the option of seeing his nurse practitioner if you didnt want to wait until the 10th. Don't blame you for saying nay to the latter. I thought that if the doctor at the appt. still refused to help you get off Atenolol, THEN you were contemplating going thru your specialist friend.

Please clarify again!!!

 
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Zuzu,

You are entirely correct in your last post... that is what is happening. He wouldn't wean me off at 120/78 in his office after bad white coat readings of 158/80 & etc. The point is that it keeps getting lower & the white-coat is getting much much better. I just don't want to be over-medicated.

 
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Okay, got it now. Nov 10th isn't far away now...hang in there! An Atenolol wean in an otherwise healthy young adult such as yourself really shouldn't take longer than two weeks...

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Great! Thanks.... I don't know *** I was placed on Atenolol in the 1st place. I can honestly say that Lotrel is a lot better than Atenolol. I had 2 perfect EKGS. I don't get it.

 
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Axe,

Zuzu is right and I have told you the same thing. Put your frustration away and hang in there and wait for the next appointment when you may be on your way to no medication. BTW, what is the name of your band?

 
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Thanks for your support....

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