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Old 11-29-2004, 10:04 AM   #1
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i have just been feeling crappy lately. i wake up dizzy and groggy. saturday i took my bp and it was 161/103 pulse 128. then again 156/95. talked to the hospital and they said i should come in. when ther it was 159/115, pulse 147.
they made me wait for 2 1/2 hours so i got mad and left.
yes i have alot of stress and i smoke. what do you think??
are there any herbs i can take? i don't have insurance to money is a big factor.

 
Old 11-29-2004, 10:28 AM   #2
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They made you wait to see if being more relaxed might give lower readings. A lot of people get anxious when they get their blood pressure checked and so the numbers are higher.

If you feel crappy, dizzy and groggy, and you have numbers that high, you need to do something pretty quickly for your hypertension. Your body is giving you warnings that something bad will likely happen.

There is no magic herb. And you definately need to quit smoking ASAP. I can sympathize with you having no insurance. I am grateful I did not have any serious health emergencies when I was uninsured. But you need to bite the bullet and go to a doctor, sooner rather than later. Are there any public health clinics in your area where you might be able to get treatment at a reduced rate? There are some classes of blood pressure medications that are pretty cheap. Diuretics have been around a long time and the older ones don't cost that much. I am taking a different old drug called clonidine and it is also pretty cheap. Tell your doctor that your finances are limited and you'd like to try some less expensive drugs first.

There are other things you can do to help yourself in addition to the biggie of quitting smoking. If you are overweight, try to shed the pounds. Also try to get some exercise most days of the week. Walking for 30 minutes is a good start, and it should also help aleviate stress.

Good luck to you. Let us know how it turns out.

 
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Old 11-29-2004, 11:07 AM   #3
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Smoking isn't good for you (I smoke as well), but it takes years for that to be a major major issue. In terms of B/P, Alcohol & binge drinking are much worse for you. Smoking & caffeine have short term effects when it comes to B/P. You are not supposed to take your B/P 30 minutes to an hour after drinking coffee or having a cigarette. It won't cause those kinds of high #'s in the morning. I feel crappy & lousy being on B/P meds in the morning, so I don't know if that was the issue. To go to the ER with 160/100 is a little bit drastic imo.

I felt that way this morning as well. After a long weekend, the last thing that I wanted to do was go to work. Combine that with a few too many drinks, lots of time in the studio recording tracks (without the alcohol)+ & I felt lousy.

Everyone has there vices, some people eat too much (which is way worse than smoking). Just relax. I feel lousy almost everyday during the week for the 1st couple of hours. The meds. make it worse.

 
Old 11-29-2004, 03:46 PM   #4
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dyana, your bp is high and your pulse is worst. I know how it is wi/o insurance, but here are a few thinkgs i have done to get medical help. First, call your local health dept or united way to see if there are any free clinics in your area. You'd be surprised.

I was able to find such a clinic here and in Norfolk, VA when i relocated there a few yrs back. You could see if you qualify for medicaid also. Good luck.

 
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Oh yes, my bp runs that high even on verapamil 240.

 
Old 11-29-2004, 05:23 PM   #6
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You need to get your BP and heart rate down sooner rather than later. A good beta blocker such as the "old" Atenolol is cheap and will do the trick. Of course you may have some side effects. My wife has been taking it for a month or so, and she has had no side effects. I have taken it for 3 years and I think it causes fatigue in me.

Only one single medication can lower your heart rate and BP, and that is a beta blocker. Smoking puts carbon monoxide into your blood stream, where it is detected by your brain, which thinks you're in a forrest fire-so it increases your heart rate in order to pump more blood through your lungs, to get more oxygen into your bloodstream quicker.

I have heart disease, but I have not been able to stop smoking. Isn't that a shame? I don't know your age, or how long you have smoked, but in the near term, if you don't get your BP under control, you are at a significant increased risk for a stroke and/or damage to your heart. Years of tachycardia (rapid heart rate > 100 bpm) will cause your heart to enlarge, which can lead to heart failure.

Stress is also a killer. Calm down and think things through. First things first. You don't have to quit smoking tomorrow. If you see a doctor and get the right medicine, you will be fine. In the future when you get settled down, please quit smoking before it is too late. I got a second chance, but am not doing well with it. I try everyday to stop smoking.

I really hope that you get all the help that you need

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Jack,

You bring up some really great points. I would hope that you would stop smoking, but I have known people that smoke for years & quit suddenly & have had a heart attack or stroke weeks later.

Beta-Blockers are a nasty class of drugs. I have been on Toprol & I am now on Atenolol. My pulse rate is around 60-66 on Atenolol, but it does cause a lot of side-effects. I guess it matters how your body reacts to beta-blockers. At 34, I don't think that I should be on them as a 1st or 2nd choice, just because of the nasty side-effects. Atenolol is one of the worst from my experience & from the experience of several others on this board.

I am 5' 11" 150, drink only on occasion, very very low sodium, I excercise. My only vice is smoking. I have cut down to Ultra-Lights, but everyone has one vice whether it is eating too many sweets or smoking. I'm not saying that it is good. I agree with Jack that to get the pulse rate down, you need some anxiety meds. or if worse comes to worse a beta-blocker. Atenolol has just been the worst for me.

With pulse rates as high as what you have. I would take the advice that you have been given. I want you to feel better. I hate beta-blockers like Atenolol, but I want you to be alright.

 
Old 11-30-2004, 07:22 AM   #8
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Hey I really appreciate the kind words I'm new on this section of the board, so I haven't read as to why you are taking beta blockers. I would assume rapid heart rate and/or high BP.

It is a dang shame for someone of your age to have to take beta blockers. Are you taking the lowest possible, effective dose?

You know, I was complaining like heck to my cardiologist about atenolol, and had read about others changing from atenolol, to another BB. He told me that even though atenolol was one of the "older" BB's, in his experience with treating patients with these meds, atenolol had the least amount of side effects "reported to him".

I asked my long time pharmacist and he told me the same thing. Who knows, we are all different. I know that toprol xl is time released, so as not to "overwhelm" one with peak serum levels.

I have read where some take 2 smaller doses of BB's, 12 hours apart (BB's that are NOT time released). I always take mine before I go to bed. This seems best for me.

Talk to your doc if atenolol is really making you miserable. I'll bet he can find something better. It may take a lot of experimenting, but could well be worth it.

Do you grind out any old Jimi Hendrix tunes? Ha ha ha. I still play that music (on my cd of course). Take care and lose the smokes as soon as you can.

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All original songs Jack... I'm the singer, guitarist, sonwgwriter for Sixty-10. People compare us to a modern day Cheap Trick (my favorite band of all-time) meets Weezer & Green Day. We're trying to get a deal. During the day I'm a Financial Advisor, so I have a lot of stress.... My G/F manages the band & we play nationally-internationally. I had to change my habits. Know I have to quit smoking at some point. B/P today.... 118/72.

I would assume rapid heart rate and/or high BP.

Heart rate during a panic attack 2 years ago was 100 at its highest. It was normally 70. My B/P was elevated, because of anxiety & white-coat. My B/P a couple of years ago would always be 134-140/78 or so..... Not terrible.

It is a dang shame for someone of your age to have to take beta blockers. Are you taking the lowest possible, effective dose?

No. I'm taking 100 MGS. I don't know why. Have had 2 EKGs & a chest xray & everything was fine. My doc. said that my heart rate was too low for white-coat. I said, well you have me on Atenolol. He said Oh yeah, you are right. I am going to a specialist to wean off of Atenolol & eventually get off of Lotrel. I was never diagnosed with HBP properly. Average B/P for November 115/68, Average B/P for October 118/68. I can give proof for months. At the doc. it will be 156/86, because of white-coat & anxiety.

You know, I was complaining like heck to my cardiologist about atenolol, and had read about others changing from atenolol, to another BB. He told me that even though atenolol was one of the "older" BB's, in his experience with treating patients with these meds, atenolol had the least amount of side effects "reported to him".

I was switched from Toprol to Atenolol for that reason.... I don't buy it. Toprol had lots of side-effects & so does Atenolol.

I really think that they should only prescribe beta blockers for people with heart conditions or are in danger of having a stroke or heart attack. They are tough when it comes to side-effects.

I just want to feel good & not lethargic+.... these meds. make me feel either like a zombie or make my stomach feel like junk hours later. I just want to feel good at work & be able to get a record deal. I'm tired of having to worry about my B/P all of the time & my health. I have enough tests run to know that I am alright. Lifestyle changes work better than the meds. imo. By changing my drinking habits, my B/P has gone down as well. Let's rock.

 
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Re: need opinion

To Lillians Axe, Do you think that Zebra type berets are good for blood pressure?

 
Old 11-30-2004, 01:08 PM   #11
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It matters who is wearing them.....Where did that question come from???? I think that yoga & deep breathing is good for B/P as well as moderation when it comes to food, alcohol & etc. Pets are good for B/P as well. Anything that can reduce stress & anxiety helps tremendously. Stockings & mini skirts used to help me stop focusing on B/P, until I found my soulmate....

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To Lillians Axe, Do you think that Zebra type berets are good for blood pressure?
It is also believed that shirts with a print resembling Mr. Magoo will work in synergy.
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It matters who is wearing them.....Where did that question come from????
Clueless

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It is also believed that shirts with a print resembling Mr. Magoo will work in synergy.

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It must have been a one time photo-op.

Talk about slow. I didn't catch the Mr. Magoo analogy for awhile.

It might be that the combination of a Mr. Magoo shirt and a white and black zebra beret, and standing in a field of hay by the ocean could significantly lower someone's blood pressure. That, or it could give a band one hell of a hay fever attack!

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Old 12-01-2004, 01:56 PM   #14
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gee i didn't know my post would get so much attention. to add to the initail post, i am 50 years old, weigh 115 and work full time at a labor job. i have a 25 yr. old daughter with cancer, no insurance, and 2 major surgeries in the last year. i then let her and her loser bf and his kid move in my basement with the deal of 100.00 per month rent and guess what- i get stuck with the whole number. the dr. was not concerned with the bp as much as a pulse of 147. they left me there for a total of 3.5 hours without checking back on me so that is why i got mad and left. in the meantime i went to the local healthstore and got the mineral supplement to take b/c it is supposed to be calming. we will see. oh last but not least my girl thinks she is pregnant
which the doctors advised her not to do for at least four more yrs. her lose bf can't put a roof over his kids and her head and now another one on the way!!! i don't begrudge the baby. now i can't wait to hear your advice on this one. lol. i went to the er cus i have'nt been to a dr. for 14 years and i quite frankly thought my heart was going to jump out of my chest. i could feel it in my stomach and my throat it was beating so fast and hard.
thanks friends for letting me vent
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Old 12-02-2004, 07:59 AM   #15
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Sounds like stress is your biggest problem. I've never had kids, so I'm giving advise with no experience, but you may need to adopt a "tough love" approach with your daughter to save yourself. Tell your daughter like you would any other deadbeat renter - pay up or get out. She is an adult and should be responsible for herself. If she can't do that then evict the deadbeat bf and tell her she has to live by your rules if she wants to stay. That gives her the choice to stay under your rules or follow the loser. If she follows the loser, you have to distance yourself from her until she straightens up. I have a brother with a loser daughter and they enable her irresponsible behavior which just gets worse and worse. This kid has two children of her own with serious behaviour problems she shouldn't have had and an unemployed husband with serious medical problems he won't do anything about. You aren't doing you or your daughter any favors by allowing this bad situatation to continue.

If the stress of the situation kills you, who is going to be there when your daughter straightens up?

 
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