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Old 12-07-2004, 06:06 AM   #1
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Does High Blood Pressure Really Exist...

Like they say in millions of Americans? I question this, because I believe that I don't have HBP & wasn't given months before given meds. to "control" it. Some days it will be 125/75 on the meds. some days it will be 110/62. Why do docs. always want to keep me on the meds. at 34. At 100 MGS of Atenolol & 5/20 of Lotrel I feel like a zombie & haven't felt like myself in 21 months, since I started taking meds. I'm surprised that they there aren't more extensive ways to determine HBP other than wait in a waiting room for 30 minutes & open up you arm for the cuff. After having a consistent average for months of 116/66, my doc. won't give be conclusive about taking me off of the meds. Well you could, but I don't know if I would recommend it... that type of deal. I have read that if meds. keep your B/P at a range lower than average 116/66 is lower.... than they should consider weaning a person off of meds. Why doesn't my doc consider this. I get high readings in his office of 156/86 & it will come down to 122/72 after 1/2 hour. I freaked out on Friday when my pulse got down to 50 on the Atenolol. The side-effects are brutal & it's been tough to concentrate at work for months. I just want my life back....

 
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Re: Does High Blood Pressure Really Exist...

I'm sorry, I know I've read many of your posts in recent weeks but my memory is so bad that I don't remember what your other medical problems are other than HBP. If that was the only thing, I'd say it is time to show the doctor who is in charge - YOU! Or change doctors. I suspect, though, that other medical problems might temper that decision.

 
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Old 12-07-2004, 11:46 AM   #3
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Other medical problems??? No. I get dizzy on Atenolol at times, in addition to Lethargy, GI Problems & feeling out of it. I take 5/20 Lotrel as well. I'm only 34. My CBC, Metabolic Panel, Thyroid Check, 2 EKG's, CHest Xray+ came back normal. I have white-coat at the doc. My B/P was 157/87 last time at the doc. It was 114/68 today. My pulse was 57 or so. I am working extremely hard everyday & can't function like this. I have no medical problems. All of my medical problems have been caused by the meds. I never felt dizzy, lethargic+ everyday until these meds. How are you supposed to function at 100% when your B/P is that low & so is your pulse. Once again I'm only 34. & my average is 116/66. I have to drink 3 cups of coffee a day just to feel more awake. The lady that took her B/P after me had a B/P of 106/48, the guy after me was at 150/87.... he should be on meds. Lately my pulse gets in the 50's a lot & that is just way too low. How do you work like that???

 
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Re: Does High Blood Pressure Really Exist...

If you think you don't really have high blood pressure, that the readings the doctor gets are just "white coat syndrome," and that you don't need these meds for any other reason, then why in the sam hill are you still taking them?

I've gone through periods in my life where I just accepted whatever the doctor said. I just didn't have the time or want to take the time to research the situation enough to have a good basis for doing differently. But you have taken the time to research the subject, you now know that you have to go off the meds (or at least Atenolol) very gradually, and you believe your quality of life has deteriorated on the meds. So why are you afraid of doing it?

Just what would happen if you did wean yourself off the meds? The worst thing that is likely to happen is that your blood pressure might start going back up. If it did, you could make a decision at that point to go back on the meds or ask your doctor to offer a different suggestion.

I know that you said a while back that you were only going to take your blood pressure every couple of weeks. But I seriously think it would be helpful for you to have your own good monitor at home, if the cost isn't a problem. That way you could take your pressure easily when you are relaxed, maybe a couple of times a day while you are monitoring your "weaning" results. Approach it like you would brushing your teeth - taking your pressure is just part of the routine.

I'm about 30 years your senior, and no doubt my age influences my philosophy. But the way I see it, it is not the total number of hours a person remains alive, but the number of hours they feel that they are really living that counts. I would not, for example, accept chemotherapy if I saw little chance for a cure and thought it was just going to prolong the agony. Neither would I put up with drugs that made me feel like @#$%. To me, it just wouldn't be worth it. But maybe you have a family or other considerations which would lead you to a different conclusion. Of course, what I fear about a possible heart attack or stroke is not that I might die, but rather that I might survive but be in terrible shape. You'll have to think through your own philosophy.

 
Old 12-07-2004, 02:14 PM   #5
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You make complete sense. I see people all of the time 65+ taking there blood pressure. I never see people my age. It just seems like everyday it's going to be an adventure whether I will have side-effects (like today my pulse went down into the 50's), or if my stomach will bother me, or if I will feel lethargic & not extremely focused.

I always have followed the advice of my doctors, which seems like it was more a mistake than anything else. I should have been put on anxiety meds. & not B/P meds to start. Now I want to go to a specialist. My doctor is very wishy washy about going off of the meds. even though I go in with 22 months worth of readings. Lately they have been the lowest ever (114/62-66). At 27, I had 137/74. My body feels right at that level. I guess that I'm too much of a wimp to go off of the meds. without the approval from a specialist. I don't want to have a stroke or heart attack even though I am only 150 pounds & 5' 11".

The meds. have been a horrible experience for me on Lotrel & Atenolol. I just want to feel active without worrying about dizziness, lethargy, GI Problems, or whatever else will come the next day. Try drinking more that 3 drinks on these meds. It's no picnic. I have cut out drinking 99% of the time. The 1% I do, I pay for it the next day.

I like your advice.

 
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Re: Does High Blood Pressure Really Exist...

Well, make up your mind to stop being a wimp! And if your doctor was wishy washy, why not take that as a yes instead of as a no?

Really, if you did a very gradual reduction in the Atenolol, just what harm would be done? (I don't know if Lotrel requires a gradual withdrawal or not.) If it doesn't work you can go back on them if you have to. Just consider it an experiment, record the results of your experiment, and draw your conclusions.

You know what I think might be helpful to you? Get a copy of Norman Vincent Peale's The Power of Positive Thinking. It is an old book, but is still available and there is a lot that is still applicable. You should be able to find a copy used or at the library, if you don't want to order new. I really think one's mental attitude has a tremendous influence on one's physical being, and that book might be a good way to start making some positive changes in that direction.

YOU are in charge of your own body.

 
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Easier said than done. I told my new cardio i did not want a diuretic and what does she prescibe...LASIX. My choices are either i take what they give me or go w/o. Some choice..either take a pill i know will hurt me and suffer or not take a med and wait until my pressure reaches 216/110 ..HEART ATTACK!!

I've tried changing drs but they all seems to go back to the record the first dr wrote up.If it wasn't for my ability to research, read and alot of prayer i would still be on 24 pill per day.

Axe has a legit concern and complaint, however, it is all in how he handles it. Of course, I personally would stop taking any pill that makes me feel crappy.

 
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I guess I've been lucky with doctors. My GP started making noises about putting me on Lipitor in 2001, and I resisted each time I saw her. I decided to go on an OTC Niacin last year on my own, and though she offered some concerns about it initially, when the result of blood tests came out fine twice, she now is fine with it. And I was the one who brought in my records of my own BP and thought I should get on BP meds originally. I was also the one who brought in my home records later, showing I needed to increase my meds. And finally, I brought in my records when my stress was reduced and I thought I could decrease my BP med again. My late husband's FP was also very open to ideas. I can't recall that we ever challenged most of the specialists, though. At that point I didn't have the time or energy to research medicines and my husband no longer had the mental capacity after his stroke.

As I recall, you (jtu91952) have more serious health problems than just slightly elevated blood pressure, so of course you'd have to be more cautious. I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to let their pressure get up to 216/110 without doing something about it. But from what Axe says, he doesn't have any other medical problems except anxiety and slightly elevated BP, which his records do seem to indicate could very well just be "white coat syndrome." Seems like a whole different ballgame to me. If he monitored his pressure as he decreased dosage, he'd see what was happening long before he was off the pills and his pressure was extreme and he could act accordingly. Frankly, from what he has said, it sounds to me highly likely (though not certain) that it is just white coat syndrome.

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Old 12-07-2004, 04:01 PM   #9
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Re: Does High Blood Pressure Really Exist...

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or not take a med and wait until my pressure reaches 216/110 ..HEART ATTACK!!.
With a BP that high, you're more likely to suffer a stroke.

 
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I think there is a direct correlation between high anxiety and elevated bp. As for people your age, my daughter at 29, has been on meds for several years. She, too, is obsessed with taking bp readings. Don't become so fixated on it that it actually raises your pressure.
Incidentally, I did stop taking Lotrel when the dizziness was so over-whelming I felt like I was going down for the count.
Remind me again why you're even on bp meds? I'd give my eye teeth to have readings that low.
A bit of aged wisdom? Don't always follow your doctor's advice blindly; contrary to what they think, they aren't God.

 
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Originally Posted by Lillians Axe
I just want my life back....
Axe, Axe, Axe.....

We all love you here but being a musician you'll know what I mean when I say this is beginning to sound like a loop!

Forgive me if you've heard this story but someone once quoted it to me when I was once wracked by indecision regarding a non-health matter:



"A man goes to see a friend of his. When he gets there he and his friend sit on the porch and talk.

On the porch is his friends dog. The men talk for about two hours and all during the visit the dog is howling.

Finally the visitor asks his friend:
" What's wrong with your dog?
The friend replies "He is sitting on a nail".
The visitor then asks, " Well why the hell doesn't he just get off it?"
The man replies "I guess it hurts enough to howl but not enough to move."
"

There. My words of wisdom for the day, with apologies if you've heard it all before!

zuzu xx

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Darrend,

I must jump in for a second here in "defense" of Axe...
The reason so many of us on this board are supporting his wish to try to wean off Atenolol (and maybe eventually get off Lotrel as well) is the fact that at 33, he was originally thrust (rather precipitously in my opinion) onto BP meds during an ER panic attack crisis following a bit of binge drinking. As far as we know, up to that incident, his BP was normal.
There's a distinct possibility that he never needed BP meds in the first place.
He has since made major lifestyle modifications and since his medicated BP is lower than even prior to the panic attack, some of us are dying for him to try a slow Atenolol wean to see what happens.

Hence the nagging!

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Darren,

Please read my posts before you pass judgement. I may sound like a broken record, but trust me.... I've tried. I have been to 3 different doctors, 1 specialist, 2 psychiatrists in 22 months. I have had all of the blood tests run, EKGS, Chest Xrays+. They still want me to take the meds., because I have white-coat. I have recorded my B/P away from the doc. for almost 2 years. I have stopped my bad habits, except for smoking & was 114/68 medicated yesterday.

I want to go to my specialist friend, but he is about an hour from here. He wants to hook me up to the 24 hour ambulatory monitoring system to see. I need to find time. I have a 50-60 hour work week & then my G/F & I work on the band.

I have received very little from all of these appointments that I have had so far & keep taking the meds., because I don't want to have a stroke. I want re-assurance from a professional. My doctor is very wishy-washy when it comes to this subject. Some days he'll say to stay on the meds. Others he'll say you can get off of them, but I don't know. I just feel like I have been through the spin cycle. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I have the specialists # with me right now. I will make the call today. Enough

 
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1st off what you state is incorrect. The #1 reason for HBP is not smoking. Drinking in heavy quantities effects you much more than smoking. Smoking is not the #1 cause of Heart Disease.... being overweight is.

If white-coat doesn't exist Darren, then why do I average 112-122 over 62-72 away from the doctor & around 156/86 at the doctor. 1/2 hour after my appointment my B/P will go back down to 122/72. White-coat does exist. Read the articles that I posted. I asked to be put on an ARB, instead I got Lotrel. You want to debate me on white-coat, HBP+, I have done my research as well. For 95% of HBP there is no specific cause. If you were going to pinpoint one thing 1st it would be genetics. If you always want to debate me fine, but I thought this board was for helping people not putting them down... i.e. I would worry about the glucose, you sound like a broken record, smoking is the #1 cause of HBP. I didn't find any of this helpful.

Darren,

What is your average B/P? What is your age & your habits (i.e. eating-weight, alcohol, smoking & etc). How was your last blood test. Was everything perfect? Mine was (except my glucose was 3 points too high & I should be concerned). Let's please make this a forum to help, not put others down. We would all be banned if it was the other way around.

 
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Causes Of Coronary Heart Disease... (In Order)

Family history of coronary heart disease (especially before age 50)
Male gender
Age (65 and greater)
Tobacco smoking
High blood pressure
Diabetes
High cholesterol levels (specifically, high LDL cholesterol and low HDL cholesterol)
Lack of physical activity or exercise
Obesity
High blood homocysteine levels
Menopause in women
Infection that causes inflammatory response in the artery wall. (There is some evidence that suggests this, but the theory is being studied.)

Cause Of High Blood Pressure... In 90-95% of the cases the cause in unknown. Smoking is not the #1 cause. That is not true.

[url]http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=2152[/url]

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