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Old 12-08-2004, 02:50 PM   #1
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The Reality

I know that sometimes I sound like a broken record. If you had been to 3 different doctors in 3 years, 1 specialist & 2 psychiatrists all because of B/P, one might think differently. I have a g/f 10 years younger than me that is tired of seeing me take my B/P & worrying what the #'s will be, I have a great job that is stressful, but is tough to concentrate at, because I have been put through the medical wash-dry & rinse cycle, I have a great life on the surface. Before the meds., the doctors & everything else, I needed to change my drinking habits, but everything else was fine. Now, I have to worry about how I will feel from day to day. I don't want to sound like a broken record. I just want to feel good, alive, energetic & alive again everyday. I appreciate all of your advice. In conclusion, I will go back to my 1st specialist. This time I will have my blood test results that are all good, so maybe, just maybe I can wean off of a beta-blocker, wean off of Lotrel & be on a small dosage of something that won't effect my lifestyle. I don't think that is asking a lot. Broken records don't take action. I take action, but have wound up in the same spot for the past 22 months, while my B/P averages from 110-122 over 62-72 on meds..... It would be nice to feel like I did before this all started.

 
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Old 12-09-2004, 07:03 AM   #2
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Darren- 103 is not even in a Pre-Diabetes state. I haven't had my glucose tested in over 12 years (I'm 34) , so I have no idea what it is normally. I want to wean off of the beat blocker when I go to the specialist on 1/23. Normal Glucose levels are 60-100. I'm 103. Pre-diabetes is 110-125. I'm thin & don't have the symptoms of Diabetes. I will read the link.

B/P readings like 112/66 are low for me. My body isn't used to that. Like I said before, pre-medicated my B/P was 137/74. I would take it like twice a year. I think that I should be happy with 112/66. I think that it is low enough not to be on 100 MGS of Atenolol & 5/20 of Lotrel. I think the Lotrel would be enough, or a lower dose of Lotrel, while weaning off of Atenolol. I don't want to be on meds Darren. It has made my lifestyle change for the worse. I felt much better on a daily basis when I was drinking a 6 pack a night, then on these meds. I will never go back to that lifestyle, but this is ridiculous. Yesterday, I felt fine until around 9 or so. Today I feel like junk.... spacey, my sinuses are killing me, my head feels like a balloon & I have to work. If you think that a diastolic of 66 is normal, then I must be reading the wrong literature. I thought that 120/80 is normal. When pulse rates go low for some people, it causes dizziness+.... look at the people that have been on a high dose of Atenolol. I don't believe what they say about the side-effect trials.

34.... & not worried about 103 glucose.... more worried about being over-medicated in the 1st place. My doc. isn't even concerned about the glucose & hasn't even asked for another test.

 
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Old 12-09-2004, 08:27 AM   #3
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Darren,

I read the article that you posted. It seems like these doctors believe that only ARB's don't cause Diabetes. A lot of the trials were done in Europe & etc. It also states the obvious that beta-blockers alone aren't enough for B/P & could cause diabetes as well, by increasing glucose levels. It seems like they are big proponents of ARB's. Why do so many docs. still prescribe diuretics & beta-blockers if they cause one's glucose to rise to diabetic levels. It doesn't make sense. I take this article like I take all articles about blood pressure..... In 95% of the cases, we don't know the cause. They may raise glucose levels, they may not. I am not against ARB's by any means. The last time I asked to be switched to one my 2nd doc. out of the 3 said that Lotrel does the same thing. The article is an interesting read, but if it was known that Diuretics & Beta-Blockers do raise glucose a lot, then docs. wouldn't prescibe them like they do. Thanks for the link.

 
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Axe, it is a fact, diuretics can cause a rise in glucose and cholesterol. Ask any pharmacist or even your own dr. i am a diabetic that had great control until five yrs ago when i wasn given hctz and toprol xl. My glucose went from 5. something to 10.9 in that five yrs. I didn't discover the connection until this yr (about 3 or 4 mos. ago). i started halfing the hctz and my cholesterol and glucose dropped drastically.


Im all for taking meds if they lower bp or whatever, BUT i am not for taking a pill to get rid of one disease or ease one disease and then discover i have another.

 
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Great great points JTU. I am afraid to take Atenolol now, because I don't want my glucose to rise from the beta-blocker. You would think that they wouldn't put these kind of drugs on the market if they raise glusose levels. To go from HBP to Diabetes isn't my goal. I find it ironic that my g/f who has no spleen from an accident has to have a blood test every 2 years & anyone on B/P meds. needs one every year..... sometimes you just have to laugh. My yearly blood test will come around in May. My glucose last time was 103. I'm 5 '11" 150 & I may have one soda a day with sugar. It's not pre-diabetes yet, but I'm sure that the beta-blockers aren't helping. They lower your pulse, but do little for B/P, raise glucose levels & cause all sorts of side-effects on me.... nice. I can't wait until I see the specialist next month. I've really had enough at 34.

 
Old 12-10-2004, 10:14 AM   #6
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Axe, i have had hbp since i was 25 yrs old. Not really high but slightly high. I was also slightly over weight (about 10 or 15 lbs). I have a large frame but im average height for a woman (5'4). I lived a stressful life (single mom) and my drs at the time tried to put me on bp meds back then but i didn't take the meds.

I just exercised more and watched my diet and my bp dropped to normal. I really didn't start on the hbp meds until i became diabetic in 1992. My family history. This seems to be in my family and we usually die from complications late in life. My grandmom was 89, my uncle 80.

At 34 yrs old and with all the symtoms you're complaining about, i would seriously consider either taking the lowest dose of meds as possible. I checked my Diabetes Interview mag. (it has a chart for all bp & diabetes meds) and did not see a mention of glucose increase for beta blockers. It does say that it can mask glucose levels.

I urge you to do all you can not to become a diabetic, its not fun. If a dr can't explain you pains and aches, then they'll just say "its diabetes related).

 
Old 12-10-2004, 11:26 AM   #7
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Thank you for your post. I had read in a link that a member posted yesteday that does mention beta-blockers, but I am not diabetic, pre-diabetic or anything like that. My fasting glucose was 103. It was my 1st blood test in 12 years. I don't know what it is normally. I am 34, 5' 11" 150 Male. I drink caffeine free diet coke or water. I drink coffee as well in the morning.

B/P today was 109/59. It keeps on dropping. I wish that my doctor could have seen that reading. Averaging 115/67 over the past 2 months, but it keeps dropping.

 
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