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Old 06-04-2005, 08:15 PM   #1
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Causes of Increased Heart Rate

So, I've been off of atenolol for a few weeks. Thought I was doing well until this week. I had two nights of torture where my heart rate increased from around 75-80 to 113 and of course this happened in the middle of the night which made it that much worse.

Early this morning, like at 2 AM my bp was high ( though it has been good without med for the past 1 1/2 weeks) and like I said heart rate was sky high.

I'd like to know if anyone has an idea why this happens out of the blue?

When this previously happened I went straight to blaming atenolol. Now I can't do that. I went to dr today - he took at EKG - which was fine except for rapid heart rate or tachardia. He gave me samples of COREG. I also have samples from another visit of PROPRANOLOL. Guess he forgot he gave me Propranolol a while ago which I have not taken.

So my question, is a rapid heartbeat that abnormal at times that I have to start again with meds as my bp and heart rate usually fall within the normal range except for an occassional spike. What causes spikes? I asked the dr - he said maybe hormones (over menopause 8 years) so I don't think that's the problem, and anxiety - well, we all have it but when this happened I didn't think I was anxious, except for the fact that I became upset and nervous when my heart was beating out of my chest.

Any ideas on why this happens sporadically and which medication could help without those dreadful side effect potentials. You've been great in the past with your input - I count on you again. Thanks a lotl

 
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Old 06-04-2005, 09:00 PM   #2
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Lolasmom,
Sorry to hear of your troubles. If it doesn't happen in the middle of the night it happens on the week end. Seems like fate just has it in for all of us.

I really can't explain just what is happening. Someone from this board explained it to me but my memory ain't what it used to be. I think it is still probably the atenolol. It sometimes takes months to completely recover from the hold it gets on us. If I recall correctly it has something to do with the adrenal gland and the effect the beta blocker had on it. You may go for weeks with a normal BP and pulse and for no apparent reason WHAM! and it's back. It will eventually go away, if you can hold on long enough.

I couldn't take the anxiety, Palpatations, and extremely HBP that came with it so I still take it (the smallest dose I can get by with) I still hope to get completely off some day. If I were you and had survived this long I would try to tough it out.

Did you ask the doctor if it could still be the atenolol? It probably wouldn't have done any good to ask though. I don't believe even half of the doctors in the US know about how addictive beta blockers are. I have only met one out of 10 or 12 in the past 26 years.

I hope you are feeling better. My thoughts will be with you,
Cass
I hope this makes sense. I took my clonidine about 2 hours ago and I am drowsy.

 
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Cass - thanks for your input. I am curious - I read several times that you were on clonidine. I looked up this drug and saw that it did have side effects too, ones that made me not want to ask my doctor about it. I would presume that you do fine with it. Have you ever had a problem on clonidine, like when you first started it. And, do you use it for sleep or for spikes, or for what? I had a great nite last nite. No spikes and slept, finally. Beautiful day here in NY - going on a cruise around NYC with family for birthdays. I would like to cast my problems into the Hudson River and pray that I will feel better without the drugs etc - but, somehow I remember, way before Atenolol, that the reason I started taking it was for a blood pressure spike which occurred out of the blue. So I'm not really thinking that the atenolol may have caused my recent spiking. I've read about tachardia (spell check?) and I guess that's what I have. If I were smart, I'd see a cardio dr but then again, would their opinions differ from my doctor. WHo knows. Maybe I'll give it some thought. Do you see a cardio or a regular primary care physician. It's all very confusing and a problem definitely not one what I'm thrilled with. It s-cks to age - but I guess one has the benefits of living long enough to be a problem to your children.....LOL!!!!!! So, tell me about clonidine. Thank you so much!

 
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Cass - thanks for your input. I am curious - I read several times that you were on clonidine. I looked up this drug and saw that it did have side effects too, ones that made me not want to ask my doctor about it. I would presume that you do fine with it. Have you ever had a problem on clonidine, like when you first started it. And, do you use it for sleep or for spikes, or for what? I had a great nite last nite. No spikes and slept, finally. Beautiful day here in NY - going on a cruise around NYC with family for birthdays. I would like to cast my problems into the Hudson River and pray that I will feel better without the drugs etc - but, somehow I remember, way before Atenolol, that the reason I started taking it was for a blood pressure spike which occurred out of the blue. So I'm not really thinking that the atenolol may have caused my recent spiking. I've read about tachardia (spell check?) and I guess that's what I have. If I were smart, I'd see a cardio dr but then again, would their opinions differ from my doctor. WHo knows. Maybe I'll give it some thought. Do you see a cardio or a regular primary care physician. It's all very confusing and a problem definitely not one what I'm thrilled with. It s-cks to age - but I guess one has the benefits of living long enough to be a problem to your children.....LOL!!!!!! So, tell me about clonidine. Thank you so much!
Lolasmom, Hope you are enjoying your day. Sounds like a great one! It's much to hot and humid here (SE TX) to spend much time outdoors. I run out after breakfast and tend my flowers and run back to the air conditioning.

For the first 20 or so years I was treated by a GP. I think there have been about 7 of them. The last one wanted me to see a cardiologist. I went through 3 of them and am back with the last GP and doing OK.
I was excited about a specialist, I have very hard to control HBP. I thought I would finally solve my problem. I was sooo disappointed. All they wanted to do was add med upon med upon med till I was either sleeping all day are in a zombie daze so I took some advice from this board and retreated back to my last GP.
The best advice I can give about a doctor is find one that will listen to you and not treat you like a child that won't mind. Someone on this board told me that a she feels that most cardiologist think of themselves as gods and look down on us and our ideas. Only WE know how we feel and we all react to meds in different ways.

Now on to Clonidine. As I said I have stubborn BP. It would be OK in the AM and dangerously high late afternoon and through the night. I tried to adjust my meds (as the cardiologist suggested ) and was taking medication of one kind or another all day.
I was on
10 mgs of altace (ACEI) and .1 mg of clonidine @7am
40/25 Benicar, HCTZ ( ARB + diuretic ) @ 2pm
25 mgs of atenolol @ 7am & 7pm
.1mg of clonidine @ 10pm
This resulted in a BP around 85/55 - 190/101 in a 24 hour period.
Apparently (in my case anyway) the combination of ACEI, ARB, and beta blocker were somehow working against each other
So, now on 10mgs of altace, 12.5 of atenolol, and 25mgs of HCTZ I feel much better and BP is within a normal range.
I take the clonidine on an as needed basis. Only at night. I just take 1/2 of .1 mg and it seems to control my evening BP (when I always got my spikes)
My 10 pm BP is usualy around 125-130 / mid 70s. If I don't take a clonidine I get around 137/85 in the am with the clonidine my am reading is around 120/80. It doesn't help with tachycardia though. The ony other meds that slow down the pulse are two of the calcium channel blockers ( verapimil and diltiazem) I have taken both without side effects - But, that was me.
Do you have a consistantly high pulse or just with the BP spikes? I have delt with tachycardia for many years. I found that it caused me to have severe anxiety which caused my BP to soar.
I am sure that this is way more info than you nedded. Sorry, I just get carried away sometimes.
Reguards,
cass

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Old 06-05-2005, 04:24 PM   #5
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Re: Causes of Increased Heart Rate

Hi Lola,

The next time your pulse races, take your pressure. I have noticed that when my pulse rate is HIGH, inveriably my pressure will be LOWER than normal. And, the opposite is also true. I suspect that our bodies enjoy a certain BP and does what it can to maintain it. When my pressure is up (160/95) my pulse is about 55. When my BP is low (125/75) my pulse is around 90.

Just a thought, Brenden.

 
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Brendon - actually, when I take my pulse and it's high, my pressure is high too. It's kind of like the increases go hand in hand. Blood pressure elevates with pulse rate. I am wondering if the EKG I took is sufficient to tell me that I don't have a heart problem, or would anyone think that I have to go further like with an echo or something else. I have been resistant to go to a cardio specialist believing that my gp knows what he's doing. CASS - do you have elevated pulse rates too? Just curious. Thanks for all of your replies.

 
Old 06-05-2005, 08:13 PM   #7
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CASS - do you have elevated pulse rates too? Just curious. Thanks for all of your replies.
Yes, That's why I was started on atenolol. It was steadily in the 90s and I have been up to 143. With the atenolol it's in the mid 60s.
Mine works like yours. Pulse is high, BP goes up, anxiety, pulse goes up higher!
I wouldn't worry too much about a heart condition (I used to worry myself into a panic attack) I have had all the heart evaluation tests several times and have no heart problems. I keep asking why. They have blamed it on everything from anxiety to genes. So who knows?
this all started when I was 35. I'm 61 now. No organ damage yet (fingers crossed)
Cass

 
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Cass - well, I'm 57 and would like to reach 58. This problem is causing me anxiety and I am wondering which came first - increased heart rate, or anxiety. I know I do get anxious when my readings are high so I presume that the anxiety comes second. My friend is urging me to have an echo but after reading about tachcardia (spell check) I've learned that an ECG or EKG would pick up sufficient evidence of a problem. So when my dr tells me that my test shows nothing except rapid heart beat, should I go on to other testings? That's causing me more anxiety now than anything because, as crazy as it sounds at my age, I'm afraid to go to doctors. I choose not to go! I'm thinking about what to take next - my doctor gave me samples of Coreg. I don't want to go back to atenolol and I took a small dose last week and my problems with that drug resurged. Just a .6 mg did it again. So, coreg, propranolol or maybe a calcium channel blocker - but honestly I feel so good being med free that I'm upset thinking I have to take something new. My bp has been good - in line for normal readings, but the spiking on occassion - is that the reason to start another drug? Oh what to do......!

 
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Re: Causes of Increased Heart Rate

lolasmom,
Don't worry, an occasional spike to 113 is NOT really dangerously fast. For some people it's a pleasant aerobic workout. Tachycardia is hard to define precisely but I've seen figures like >150 and >130 BPM.

What you are suffering sounds most like a typical bout of anxiety which very often does its worst work at 3AM or therabouts. And it really IS impossible to say which comes first...anxiety can do its work in the adrenals with your forebrain completely unaware of what's happening until all the symptoms manifest.

You might also still be responding to the atenolol induced catecholemine sensitivity.

You aren't taking ATIVAN at night are you?

Try some relaxation techniques. Also next time your heart speeds up try the VALSALVA maneuver...it often works. (You may have to look that up.)

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Lenin - thanks for the advice. But wondering.. why can't Ativan be taken at night. I haven't taken that pill yet but I do have them in my home. Also, have taken EKG - friend urging me to take Echo, but do you think that's necessary. Dr phobic, which sounds very unintelligent at my age, but that's the fact! I have taken valium before bed - any problem with that? Thanks.

 
Old 06-06-2005, 06:20 AM   #11
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I am currently going through the exact same situation and I truly believe it's the beta blockers!! My heart will beat so fast that it wakes me up around 2 or 3 in the morning and I'm so stressed that I can't fall back asleep. I've been trying to ween off of if for three weeks now and I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to get off of this drug.

I'm so glad I'm not alone here! My doctor said my heart is perfect and got annoyed with my constant calling about the fast heart beating.

I'm guessing it takes a long, long time for this to stop. Anyone know?

 
Old 06-06-2005, 01:30 PM   #12
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I took Toprol and it caused middle of the night bp spikes and rapid heart rate. It was scarey to wake up from a dead sleep to a pounding heart and high blood pressure! I got to where I was afraid to sleep at night. I'd have to pop a clonidine and wait for 30 minutes for my pressure and pulse to fall before I could go back to sleep. I weaned off Toprol and the spiking gradually went away over many months. I NEVER had these spikes until I started that beta blocker! I've been off of Toprol for 7 months and I think my body is still slightly screwed up from that drug.

After I got off the beta blocker, I was on tiazac 180 mg and .1 clonidine 3 times a day. I've lost a lot of weight and changed my diet, gave up caffiene and my bp was staying in the low 100-110s/upper 50s-60s with pulse in the 60s at rest.

I've been experimenting reducing my clonidine to see if I can give it up. I was doing fine at .075 at night and .05 twice during the day. I am having some problems going lower than that, I am starting to see the rapid pulse again and some minor bp spikes. My pharmacist said at the low doeses of clonidine I am taking I should not have rebound if I quit the drug, much less stretch out the dose to .05 twice a day.

I have insomnia and am often hyper especially when I don't get enough sleep. I thought the clonidine might be interfering with my sleep, but reducing the dosage hasn't helped. I'm wondering if I have some adrenal problem which the clonidine suppresses. In searching the web, I find sites which say beta blockers can raise blood pressure if you had a pheochromocytoma - this is certainly what happened to me.

I go for a renal scan later this month and I think I will ask the urologist about adrenal problems. I've talked in the past with my gp about adrenal problems, but not since I got off Toprol. I may need to bring it up with her again.

 
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mgraylorn......I dont know if this answers your question, but with pheochromocytoma I have read that if you use beta blockers and have a pheo, the beta blocker has no effect on your blood pressure and doesn't reduce it at all. But I did read beta's cause anxiety and that's probably the cause of yours and my spiking and anxiety. I too was worried about pheo's but after reading that headaches are severe if you have pheo, and because they are so rare (pheo's) I got off that kick. I dont know if this helps, but it's only what I know. (And sometimes I wonder if I know anything at all - according to my adult children.)

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Old 06-06-2005, 07:20 PM   #14
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^^Actually I was put on a Beta Blocker for my panic attacks/anxiety.. so I don't think they are supposed to cause anxiety... I take Lopressor...

 
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Beta Blockers slow down the heart rate.

"How beta-blockers work:
Beta-blockers work by blocking the action of noradrenaline at special sites (receptors) in arteries and the heart muscle. Noradrenaline is a chemical that transmits messages between nerves and muscles, or between one set of nerves and another. By blocking its action, beta-blockers can cause arteries to widen and can slow the action of the heart and decrease its force of contraction. This results in a fall in blood pressure and reduced work by the heart."

 
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