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Old 01-30-2008, 11:39 PM   #1
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:01 AM   #2
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Re: why is my blood pressure going up at night

Sorry! This is the first time I have posted here. More details on the BP problem: I am on Toprol and cartia and have 2 stents. I am becoming vewry concerned because my blood pressure is going in the middle of the night--at almost exactly 1 to 2 a.m. every night to sky high readings like 169/112. I start getting short of breath and dizzy and it is very scary!
I am up a lot late at night due to my job.
Just baot 3 weeks ago, I switched my diet to low sodium, low fat, complex carbs only, etc. I was eating TERRIBLE for about a year and a half due to starting my new business (the one that keeps me up at night). I am not stressed at all at this time and the symptoms have awakened me from a dead sleep.
I am so scared abot another blockage!
Is there any reason why it would only go up like this at night? Dring the day, its is pretty good--around 130/ 80.
How long does it take to see results from better diet and exercise?
Thank for any help out there!

 
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Hi Rhonda, I have been having elevated readings during the night also that awakes me out of sleep. I am thinking maybe it's anxiety related. I am not on blood pressure meds but will probably have to go on one now. You mentioned you had blockages. Would you mind if I ask you what symptoms you had that lent themselves for you to discover the blockages. I worry about that too when I have the elevated pressure. Though I don't think I have any telltale signs of blockage, but I could be wrong. I would presume that you're going to ask your dr about the night time spikes. I'd love to know what he says. My best.

 
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Hi--thank you so much for answering my post. Before I got my stents, I was actually not having many symptoms except a general fatigue and some blood pressure issues. Luckily, I was already seeing a cardiologist for heart rythym issues and he did a stress test and the next thing I know, I'm getting stents.
I have been well until about 2 months ago when I noticed a general decline and fatigue. Ladt night I was short of breathe and tight in the chest as well.
I just switched my diet 3 weeks ago to a low sodium and all whole grains, etc and lost 13 pounds so far.
This is also when I began noticing the symptoms more prominantly. Go figure! I am wondering if it could be a food or supplement so I eliminated all and started back adding each one. I usually take these in the morning and my blood pressure meds at night.
Thank you for any help!
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This is also when I began noticing the symptoms more prominantly. Go figure! I am wondering if it could be a food or supplement so I eliminated all and started back adding each one. I usually take these in the morning and my blood pressure meds at night.
Thank you for any help!
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Rhonda,

As I mentioned in another post, you have some symptoms of a sleep disorder and sleep disorders can cause heart problems.

If you do have a sleep disorder, your blood pressure meds may be aggravating your disorder (making your symptoms more prominent) and raising your pressures higher than they would be without the meds. I don't know this for a fact, mind you, but I think it may explain my experience. My pressures before taking bp medication were 200/100...I took medication for 3 years only to experience horrible side effects, including fatigue and sleep disturbances. I gave up on medication only to have my sleep return to "normal" and find my pressures drop to 135/85, give or take, after discoing my ccb.

I know that cpap treatment for sleep apnea can reduce or eliminate hypertension. I suspect that the meds or med side effects elevated my pressures....I suspect that once I stopped taking the meds, my cpap treatment was effective enough to control my pressures. But I don't know...

Bethsheba

PS I gained 35+ pounds on bp meds, have lost about 25 of those pounds, and my pressures are still lower than they were when I was first diagnosed with hypertension. The only explanation I have is cpap treatment and (perhaps) a better diet.

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Old 01-31-2008, 01:25 PM   #6
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Thanks Beth,

That is VERY encouraging information Gives me some HOPE that I can beat this too and get off these meds -- I too feel they are actually making me WORSE.... The Toprol causing the breathing problems, and the ACID problems, which makes me have to be on an asthma medications and a PPI all which cause me OTHER side effects.... A vicious cycle.

Thanks again - I feel HOPEFUL again!!! Now if I could just get over that HEADACHE -- I could get OFF this Toprol!!!!

Nessa

 
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Hi Bethsheba--everything you are saying makes a lot of sense! I also have gained 40 pounds once on these new BP meds--in about a year and a half. I also have hives on my upper shoulders and back continually, but when the Dr tried to switch me, I had such terrible chest pains I decided to keep taking these meds--Cartia and Toprol. Before toprol, I was having a continual pulse rate of 125 to 160--even in my sleep. Now that seems to be under control.
I switched just 3 weeks ago back to a whole grain and low sodium diet. I am watching my calories some but my main goal is getting off of processed foods because of the sodium.
I wish I could get to a place where I don't need the meds.
Its funny but I have had these symptoms every night pretty much since I started the natural diet. I do take some supplements like fish oil, flax seed, calcium, magnisium and zinc. I have stopped, then re-added each one to see if they are causing the problem, but none seem to make any impact either way.
I wondered about the sodium. I have reduced it to about 1000 to 1600 ml per day. I have been tracking my potassium intake and saw that it was much lower so I have been supplementing with a bit of the No Salt potassium. I hate the taste, but it has gotten my intake up to recommended levels. Of course, there's no way to know what I am absorbing.
I wish I could put my finger on it. I want so badly to be healthy and be able to run and play with my little granddaughter.
I thank you for you help and interest.
Rhonda

 
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Thanks Beth,

That is VERY encouraging information
You're welcome, Vanessa. But hypertension is a SYMPTOM because it is caused by many different things...so everyone has to find their own solution, or at least a solution they can live with.

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...Gives me some HOPE that I can beat this too and get off these meds
Given your age, I would think you would be able to do so providing you find the cause of your hypertension.

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...-- I too feel they are actually making me WORSE.... The Toprol causing the breathing problems, and the ACID problems, which makes me have to be on an asthma medications and a PPI all which cause me OTHER side effects.... A vicious cycle.
Yes, it is a very, very viscious cycle. Although I have no proof that the medication side effects elevated my pressures, I have read of medical research that "proves" that sleep disturbances can elevate pressures. Clinical studies have revealed that some (in my opinion "many") medications interfere with sleep. It that's the case, then I am assuming that medications that interfer with sleep, even if they are anti hypertensive medications, can elevate pressures. However, this is an assumption on my part!

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...Thanks again - I feel HOPEFUL again!!! Now if I could just get over that HEADACHE -- I could get OFF this Toprol!!!!

Nessa
Nessa, you can get off of the toprol...if Flowergirl (and others) could get rid of a monster headache, you can too!! But get as much info about how to do it, what to expect, etc. before you start tapering off.

Hope is everything...although many of us have gotten discouraged along the way, we are a tenacious bunch...and as a result we find more answers and sometimes solutions to our wellbeing.

Keep looking, Vanessa. I am confident you will find a treatment/cure that works for you.

Bethsheba

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... I also have gained 40 pounds once on these new BP meds--in about a year and a half.
If it's any consolation, I lost 25 pounds this past year with no changes in exercise or diet (except for switching to skim milk). I attribute the loss to sleeping normal hours (8 versus 16-20) and returning to normal activity levels. I'm now at a plateau (just over 200 pounds) so I will have to actually work at losing weight,

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...but when the Dr tried to switch me, I had such terrible chest pains I decided to keep taking these meds--Cartia and Toprol.
Are you sure the chest pain wasn't due to the medication or withdrawal of the medication? I have no heart condition, but when I was on a ccb, I experienced chest pains...haven't had those pains since.

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...I switched just 3 weeks ago back to a whole grain and low sodium diet. I am watching my calories some but my main goal is getting off of processed foods because of the sodium.
Sounds like a worthy goal...whole grains will help reduce your cholesterol levels, too, which in turn will keep your blood pressure lower.

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...Its funny but I have had these symptoms every night pretty much since I started the natural diet. I do take some supplements like fish oil, flax seed, calcium, magnisium and zinc.
It may be a coincidence that your symptoms became prominent at that time...or it may mean there is a connection. If you had listed potassium, I would definitely suspect a connection. I remember taking supplements, too (with the doctor's knowlege)...but they didn't help. The DASH researchers studies suggested the same thing...supplements, generally, don't help. BUT foods with the nutrients you mention do help. The scientists speculate that it's not the nutrients but the combination of nutrients, fiber, and lots and lots of other things found in food that work together to reduce bp.

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...I have reduced it to about 1000 to 1600 ml per day.
I don't remember what the DASH guidelines are...you might want to check.

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... Of course, there's no way to know what I am absorbing....
Excellent point. But you should have some idea if you're on the right path if your doctor does routine lab tests....oh, and do make sure your doctor and pharmacist know about the supplements.

Take care, Rhonda.

Bethsheba

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Old 01-31-2008, 09:52 PM   #10
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Beth and Vanessa--Thank you so much for taking the time to read my rambling post and respond! I am just really worried right now. I don't want to got back into the hospital, and I want to get off meds. I actually have had pretty good luck with toprol--nothing really bad in the way of strange symptoms, but the cartia is a real drag--especially the wieght gain and the hives. The other medications have been much worse though!
As you were saying--I can realy tell my 24 hr cycle is a big factor. I have always been more of the night person--which I attribute to my parents always working at night as well.
I felt really horrible today until about 6 p.m., and it was just like a light bulb went on and I was able to get up and clean house, go about many more regular tasks than I had earlier in the day.
I am also very alergic to some meds and chemicals and I am wondering if somehow what I am having is an allergic response to something. My basic heart damage first occurred when I was put on Naproxen many years ago and I kept having severe heart palpatations and finally stopped breahting and had to be recesitated. I had told my doctor repeatedly that I thought there was some problem with the medication, but he wouldn't hear me until I pretty much died in the floor!
I have gone throught this with the thalium dye for a stress test (chest nearly exploded before I passed out) and other meds. Thus, I am more than a little leary of the medical community, although I did have a pretty great cardiologist now. He is a specialist in heart rhthyms and does watch more carefully for drug interactions, ect.
I also just eliminated a dish soap I've been using for about 3 weeks that has broken my hands out. There are so many things it could be!
If I keep up this more healthy diet, as I did before, and I start gradually being able to add more exercise, maybe I can lick this. What you said about getting reglar sleep may also be a key. I rarely get more than about 6 hours at a stretch, although I do nap if I can with my little granddaghter, but it isn't always possible.
I also just got over step throat and I wondered if that could be a factor.
Thank you for giving me some encouragement and hope!
I hope tonight is not a repeat of last night. Right now, BP is 127/80.

 
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Hi Rhonda,

I am sorry for what you are going through - and understand your fear. You have gone through A LOT with your medication/chemical sensitivity.

Perhaps - you are now sensitive to something in your 'new diet' - perhaps a grain or wheat sensitivity - or perhaps even an ingredient in your supplements or something that is spiking your B/P - just a thought.

Perhaps the Carita (spelling sorry - is not tolerable for you the longer you are on it - especially if it is causing hives, etc. - again just a thought. I have been on Toprol for 4 years and the longer I am on it - the worse it affects me. I didn't realize that could be the case until I came here - and found out that medication side effects can take months to years to develop. That is one of the reasons I felt miserable for so long - because I never suspected the Toprol (which has caused severe breathing problems as well as severe Acid/GERD) - now I have to take other meds for those conditions with their OWN side effects. Also, I have found out here that certain medications contain 'fillers' that our bodies may be allergic to that can cause problems.

Beth is on to something to with the regular sleep - I have not been getting much for the past few months - and I just feel AWFUL -- there is definitely a body connection there.

Whatever you decide - I hope you feel better really soon. I will say a prayer for you.

Take good care of you!!!

 
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Beth and Vanessa--Thank you so much for taking the time to read my rambling post and respond!
Hello Rhonda,

Your post didn't ramble at all but contained very pertinent info....and it validates our experiences, too. Although we may have different meds and different reactions, we have very similar frustrations and disappointments...and sucesses!

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As you were saying--I can realy tell my 24 hr cycle is a big factor. I have always been more of the night person--which I attribute to my parents always working at night as well.
I felt really horrible today until about 6 p.m., and it was just like a light bulb went on and I was able to get up and clean house, go about many more regular tasks than I had earlier in the day.
This really sounds like a med thing...it took me three years to figure out that the only time I could actually accomplish something was when I would be too tired to take my meds. I don't know when you take your meds but it may be that the effects start to wear off about 6 pm at night. Sometimes changing the times that you take them will help but if you do so you might want to check with your pharmacist first.

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...I am also very alergic to some meds and chemicals and I am wondering if somehow what I am having is an allergic response to something.
Hives is considered an allergic reaction and based on that, I would agree with you.

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My basic heart damage first occurred when I was put on Naproxen many years ago and I kept having severe heart palpatations and finally stopped breahting and had to be recesitated. I had told my doctor repeatedly that I thought there was some problem with the medication, but he wouldn't hear me until I pretty much died in the floor!
I hope readers take note of this...too many people trust their physicians and not their bodies...it should be the other way around! I am so relieved to know you survived and care enough to share your experience with us so we can become proactive.

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...I also just eliminated a dish soap I've been using for about 3 weeks that has broken my hands out.
I found that I was far more sensitive to things when I was taking medication. Now that I'm off meds, stuff doesn't seem to bother me as much anymore.

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...What you said about getting reglar sleep may also be a key. I rarely get more than about 6 hours at a stretch, although I do nap if I can with my little granddaghter, but it isn't always possible.
I cannot tell you how VERY, VERY important getting enough sleep is...one of these days I'll post why this is so but for the time being I'll just tell you about a little info I came across in a book about getting one's life in shape as I happen to have it handy... A University of Chicago study restricted sleep in healthy men (aged 17 to 28) to 4 hours of sleep a night and they did this for 6 consecutive nights. What they found was that the blood pressure, the blood sugar, and the memory loss of these men increased to levels typically found in 60 year old people! They were able to reverse these changes once the participants were able to catch up on their sleep. Respected medical studies suggest similar findings. Sleep deprivation leads to high blood pressure and other medical problems!

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I also just got over step throat and I wondered if that could be a factor.
Yes, it could be.

I do hope you'll continue to feel better! And thanks for sharing your experiences with us...with every post we all learn.

Take care.

Bethsheba

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Vanessa--thank you so much for your kindness and the prayers! I will pray for you too! I didn't mention it before but my MS and my heart problems were better for years after I was prayed for at church and I began to look to The Lord for strength to accomplish the lifestyle changes I needed to get more healthy. I even got well enough to walk all over Europe for a month with my husband on our dream trip. I even hiked (light, but uphill all the way!) in the Alps!
Beth---I know my some of my lapse into unhealthy living again has caused this problem--including lack of sleep. I started my own business online and I never dreamed of the work involved! I wasn't eating right--just eating fast foods and convenience foods--whatever someone put in front of me basically. Then, I am chained to the computer may days and nights. On top of it, I started back smoking AND I don't sleep.
I kicked all this out of my life again just about a month ago after seeing my horror-story blood test reports. I also keep my 3 year old granddaughter and I was getting too weary most days to have any fun at all with her.
I pray I have done this in time!
You can imagine my surprise and aggravation when this blood pressure thing started up! I do think there is something I am doing or taking or have exposed myself too that may be prompting this.
We also had to house professionally sprayed the day before all this started, and my husband thinks it is this exposure.

****Bethsheba--I got your point better about the meds when I reread the posts this morning. Are you saying that taking the meds may actually be causing problems? If somehow I didn't need them anymore I thought there would be some indication, but not a big increase in BP. It is true that they are the one thing I am taking about 1 or 2 hours or so before I have these problems. I am just so afraid that if I suddenly stopped taking them, I would die or something.
How were you able to come off of your meds and how did you know it when was safe?
****I do have complete blood work scheduled again in 3 months (now 2 months). This was at my own request and not my doctor, who thinks he is just humoring me. I got a copy of my lab report and I have looked up everything on there to see what all these things mean and where I am on them.
My sugar (fasting) was also high, but I have been testing vigilantly and so far, since I started on all whole grains and complex carbs--it has been completely normal.
During these BP episodes my sugar is also normal.
One thing I have learned--you really have to take charge of your own care and treatment and not just let a dr lead the way.
The one reason I like my GP I have now (who is also kind of clueless sometimes) is that he does listen, whereas, the others I had when I was so sick were ALWAYS ignoring me and doing things that half-killed me!
This one is younger and more open. He does have a little hand-held thingie that he looks up drug interactions with. That brings me some comfort--but I know to go home and look it up myself too.
Thank goodness for the web!!!!
I may have to stay on the Toprol, becuase it is the only thing I know of that has controled this congenital heart rythym problem which killed my dad and others in my family. My younger cousin, who has never smoked, drank and is skinny as a rail has also been hospitalized with it x2. Both of us have fond some relief on Toprol.
The Cartia can go!!! I hate, hate hate cartia and the wieght gain and hives, etc!

 
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Beth---I know my some of my lapse into unhealthy living again has caused this problem--including lack of sleep. I started my own business online and I never dreamed of the work involved! I wasn't eating right--just eating fast foods and convenience foods--whatever someone put in front of me basically.
We've got some things in common, Rhonda. It was my sleep disorder and fatigue that sent me into unhealthy living. I wasn't eating right, either..fast foods and convenience foods and no exercise...the good thing is our eating, smoking, exercise, and sleeping habits can be changed!

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I got your point better about the meds when I reread the posts this morning. Are you saying that taking the meds may actually be causing problems?...
Although the side effects of the meds may be causing problems, the time of day that you take the meds may be causing problems too. What I meant to say is that I was exhausted, and had poor/no concentration on meds (there were lots and lots of other problems but I won't mention them here). It would get to the point where I would be so tired that I would sleep around the clock. After about 20 hours of non stop sleeping, I would feel BETTER, and I would attribute it to getting more sleep. It took me 3 years to figure out that the reason I was feeling better when this happened, was because I didn't take my medication because I had slept through the time when I would normally take it. So it wasn't the fact that I had gotten some sleep...it was the fact that the some of the medication (and side effects) had worked it's way out of my body because I had missed a dose.

So, if you think the meds are interfering with your energy, your motivation levels, and/or your sleep, it may help to take your meds at a different time...for example, if you've been taking them in the morning with breakfast, you might try taking them at night instead, to see if your energy, motivation, and sleep patterns change.

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If somehow I didn't need them anymore I thought there would be some indication, but not a big increase in BP. It is true that they are the one thing I am taking about 1 or 2 hours or so before I have these problems. I am just so afraid that if I suddenly stopped taking them, I would die or something.
I made some major mistakes coming off of medication and I was lucky not to experience any side effects...so don't do as I did...get your pharmacist's and/or your doctors advice first and then check out their advice to see if the literature supports what they are saying...too many horror stories around here about doctors saying you can just stop taking a med!

I stopped taking atenolol, cold turkey, because it was making me suicidal...I bought a monitor as soon as I stopped the medication and I watched my bp climb. Three weeks later I mustered up some courage to go to the doctor for yet another medication (which turned out to be the best of the 5 that I've taken) but stopped taking it cold turkey when it started waking me up at midnight and 3 every night. I had no indication that my pressures would drop...after the fact, I believe what I experienced when I disco'd atenolol, was rebound hypertension and if I had waited perhaps 4-6 weeks after discoing suddenly, I wouldn't have gotten a reading high enough to send me back to the doctor. I suspect the sleep disturbances caused by the last med, the ccb, may have kept my pressures elevated, but I don't know.

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... how did you know it when was safe?
I didn't know it was safe. All I knew was that I didn't want to kill myself by driving into a cement embankment (which was what I was thinking when I was taking the atenolol), and that the sleep disruptions I experienced on the ccb were interfering with my ability to eat right and to exercise!

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... do have complete blood work scheduled again in 3 months (now 2 months). This was at my own request and not my doctor, who thinks he is just humoring me. I got a copy of my lab report and I have looked up everything on there to see what all these things mean and where I am on them.
Good for you!!!!!!!!!!! I have reason to believe that I had electrolyte imbalances on my hct, but my doctor didn't order routine lab work so I can't "prove" it. You were astute and right to request the blood work!

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My sugar (fasting) was also high, but I have been testing vigilantly and so far, since I started on all whole grains and complex carbs--it has been completely normal.
During these BP episodes my sugar is also normal.
I'm so glad! But again, the value of healthy eating.

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...One thing I have learned--you really have to take charge of your own care and treatment and not just let a dr lead the way.
I couldn't agree with you more!

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...He does have a little hand-held thingie that he looks up drug interactions with. That brings me some comfort--but I know to go home and look it up myself too.
Thank goodness for the web!!!!...
Sounds like a good doctor! I don't expect doctors to know everything...but I do expect them to listen to their patients and to do their homework!!

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...I may have to stay on the Toprol, becuase it is the only thing I know of that has controled this congenital heart rythym problem which killed my dad and others in my family. My younger cousin, who has never smoked, drank and is skinny as a rail has also been hospitalized with it x2. Both of us have fond some relief on Toprol.
The Cartia can go!!! I hate, hate hate cartia and the wieght gain and hives, etc!
There's nothing wrong with staying on a med...they can save lives! And they can improve the quality of our lives! But if they make things worse, like the Cartia they can go...

Take care Rhonda...and keep up the healthy life style. It sounds like you're taking charge of your health and I'm sure you'll see the benefits soon.

Bethsheba

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