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Old 10-28-2008, 06:33 AM   #1
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Fluctuating readings-- does one average them?

To get the most likely "real bp reading", does one merely average the results when there are discrepancies, or do you drop the high and or low and go with the median? For example, at 8 a.m. have three readings, about 3 minutes apart-- 147/78; 138/70; and 131/75. Just took another, and it was 145/74.

So my take is that I'm at the high-end of the "pre-hypertension" range and need to be concerned. I'm already using 40 mg of lisinopril (no noticeable side effects).

 
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Re: Fluctuating readings-- does one average them?

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To get the most likely "real bp reading", does one merely average the results when there are discrepancies, or do you drop the high and or low and go with the median? For example, at 8 a.m. have three readings, about 3 minutes apart-- 147/78; 138/70; and 131/75. Just took another, and it was 145/74.
This is my first message, and I respond not because I feel I know the real answer to your question - but because the "subject" really interests me.

Just a quick snapshot of me, I'm 54, male with hypertension on paternal side. 6 years ago I was obese (BMI=33) but that year (2002) started a low carb lifestyle, and currently have a BMI=24.8 and an average resting BP of 109/71. Take no medication, and have a fairly good fitness. So my quest is not to reduce BP - but to carefully monitor it for any signs I need to change my diet/lifestyle. Having only had my BP monitor for a couple of months I have found it interesting to first of all make sure it compares accurately to several other monitors and to learn about BP taking technique.

The surprising thing I first (and I think everyone else) learns about taking BP, is that it "fluctuates". It is like trying to measure the height of a child while it insists on jumping up and down!

My current method is to use a timer to take a reading every 5 minutes, after following normal procedures (sitting for 5 minutes, legs not crossed, relaxed, no talking or movement etc) I take 12 readings (1 hour). Using either EXCEL spreadsheet or suitable calculator, I "average" the results and find the "standard deviation" of the 12 readings.

The "standard deviation" gives a single value that denotes the "spread" of the values (how much they fluctuate) from the average value.

So if I take your above values we get:

140.25 / 74.25 with a SD (standard deviation) = 7.27 / 3.3

With only 4 of your readings a systolic SD of 7 is about right, I normally get over my 12 readings a systolic SD of about 4 mm Hg, so my systolic thus "fluctuates" from 105 to 113 mm Hg.

Going back through the archives here, there is one person (who I have learned a lot from) who has the name "Machaon", who seems to be the only person who uses "standard deviation" with reference to BP in this group.

I have found very little doing net searches on the subject of "normal" standard deviation with respect BP. It is usually found in surveys as a method of showing how much bp "fluctuates" over a large "group" of people rather than what you would expect with an individuals reading.

Having (for interests sake) measured the bp of a few other people, I have noticed they all have their own distinct SD of BP. In one case although the persons average systolic hardly ever moved between readings, they could have a SD of 5 for many readings - and yet sometimes up to 15 at other (less frequent times). This to me showed how taking bp can be "difficult" to do with confidence. We have a complex and sophisticated feedback system to control normal bp in the body.

I have attempted to apply a few other statistical tests (like SKEW and KURTOSIS) to my data, but I think taking only 12 readings each time is not enough data - but "standard deviation" I have found to be very useful to get to know my own bp - and to create a benchmark for my future readings.

So the subject of "standard deviation" of BP I find very interesting, and certainly would like to learn more!

Perhaps you need to gather some more data to decide which hypertension group you really belong to. I hope that helps.

 
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Re: Fluctuating readings-- does one average them?

To calculate your average BP, you must take readings at various times of day, not minutes apart, but hours apart. Take them during various stages of the day, am, afternoon, dinnertime, bedtime. After you have 3 days of readings at least, you can add them all up, devide by the number of readings, and thats it.

You will find that your BP fluctuates within 20 pts. or so, and you will soon see the pattern of your personal BP range.

Best of luck!

 
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Re: Fluctuating readings-- does one average them?

Kewi,

Interesting. So great that your b/p is low enough to do this type of research. I would love to do that as well but my b/p is not well controlled & often flips up to over 200.

I did do some research when I first got HBP just to see what ticks off my systolic. Eating ice cream (McDonald's) lows my b/p. Even calling a manufacturer to demand a refund lowers it too. My husband raising his voice increases it. Off course self made stress or other stress increases it if I don't have a clue how to handle the situation. My b/p at the Dr's usually increases it but if the nurse does the b/p correctly & is warm & caring, it is normal (120/70.)

You might be interested in biofeedback for b/p control. I took several sessions but had to drop out because my huge beta blocker dose interfered with the electonic equipment. I probably would have been a good candidate because I used lamaze breathing for childbirth sucessfully 5 times. It worked beautifully. Keep us informed about your experiments. Fam

 
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Re: Fluctuating readings-- does one average them?

Stop taking them so close together. There is no purpose for doing that. Take it once at the same time every day on the same arm then after a week or two you will have your average. And take it when you have been resting for awhile not right after an activity or after climbing stairs or things like that.

 
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