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Old 12-01-2010, 05:00 PM   #1
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Negative at 4 months but symptoms are killing me

My story

Sorry for my poor English....

I had sex with sex worker on 20June10 in Thailand. She gave me unprotected oral sex followed with protected varginal and ended up with anal sex. The condom wasn't broken as I know (the condom was provided by her). Thus, after 2 months later, I had developed groin pain, sore throat and diarrhea. Sore throat has been cured within 1 week but I had chronic groin pain(sometimes - until now) and on-offf diarrhea(from 22Aug10 to 30Sep10) No diarrhea for almost 2 weeks after 30Sep10 but after 2 weeks, diarhhea occurring again till now. I also develop tonsil stone at my right tonsil since Sep(can't remember the exact date). My mounth was dried for almost 2 weeks time and a bit painful at the right throat due to tonsil stone and mild swollen tonsil at right side. I've found 2 tonsil stone(white color) at my right tonsil.

On 24thOct, I went to hostipal to diagnose. I told doctor that I might infected hiv. He suggested me to check my status at private lab. However, he performed colonoscopic diagnosis, OGDS diagnosis and check stool sample(stool Ova &Cysts) - all came back negative but I has detected positive for Helicobacter pylori(I have Helicobacter since 3-4 years ago, so i don't think my symptons is come from Helicobacter) . I also went for blood test(except hiv test) and everything is ok. My total WBC is 7 x 10^9/l (stardard 5.0 - 10). Hep.Bs Antigen(qualitative) and HAVAb(IgG) non-reactive.

The doctor also checked my throat and said no big deal because of mild swollen and 2 dots of small white tonsil at right side throat. I told him it a bit painful all the time but no pain for swallow. They also performed ultrasound test for my echotexture and no focal lesion seen.

on the same day on 24thOct, after the nurse drawed my blood for blood test purpose(except hiv test), Immediately I went out to the private lab to test HIV (it's a Anti-HIV 1&2 screening EIA method-blood test) unknown generation. The test was came back negative(Non-reactive). I'm still remember when in the hospital, the nurse injected some liquor after the blood drawn. May I know will it affects the hiv test(because I went out to private lab for hiv test after the blood drawn in hospital.

Decribe something happened in hospital(I'm stayed 2 night on 24th Oct)
They forced me to drink 3 liter of liqour to force diarhhea. My stomach was started gurgling and then diarrhea for a day. I had collected some stool sample for them.

I went back home after 2 days stay. Initially, I had no problem for 2-3 days after checked out from hospital. I took some antibiotic and vitamins everyday- supplied by doctors. 3 days after, I developed gurgling and painful stomach and then diarrhea(every early morning). My upset stomach keeps gurgling and a bit painful till today (although I had stopped to take medicine from the doctors).

Above a week before, I'm very fatigue for about 3 days follows with joint and muscle paint till now. The groin area is still pain sometime(cannot find any swollen at groin-but i think must be a little bit bump up which cannot easily see from the eye). My right tonsil is still swollen with 2 white tonsil stone and pain.

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During the 4 1/2 months time after the possible infection, I do no have any significant fever, rash and swollen lymph node at neck and jaw. I've lost 4kg from the diarrhea(i think) but I do not lost my appetite.

I'm very scare I'm infected with HIV. I can't sleep well post 1 1/2 months. The sympton I have now like joint and muscle pain(appears after possible infection after 4 months) is keep worring me. My stomach is keeping gurgling and pain then diarrhea for every single day(although sometime I do not think about hiv thing). My groin area pain sometime(almost 31/2 months now) and tonsil stone cannot be cured after almost 3 months.

The hiv test after 4 months was negative(4th generation EIA antibody & antigen) but I worry lab technician had mess up my test(only 1 test was performed). Do I need to go back for test at 6 months mark?

Almost 5 month after possible exposure, I have developed rash on my stomach (5 dots), chest(5 dots) , palm (2 dots), below armpit (9 dots) and my back body (15 dots). This rash never go away and when it healed(normally takes 1-2 weeks) it turned to dark/brown color. The rash is keep developing 3-4 dots for every 3-4 days. What is it??? Can hiv rash becomes dark/brown color after heal??? I'm still have rash till now

Meantime, I had about a week of joint/muscle pain for about a week and very fatigue for about 3 days.

Last few days, I felt slightly dizzy till now. My symptons at this moment


1) loose stool sometimes
2) dizzy
3) rash
4) joint/mucle paint sometimes
5) mounth ulcer at 5th month. come and go
6) groin pain and uncomfortable sometimes
7) white path on tongue

I really need you profersional advice to evaluate my situation and I don't think it is due to anxiety. Please help........

 
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Old 12-01-2010, 05:40 PM   #2
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

Hi there,

Your English is fine. Your situation is this, you had protected sex which carries zero risk of infection and you had unprotected oral sex which also carries zero risk of infection. You have had test at four months which conclusively proves you have not been infected with HIV.

Please take my advice here, buddy, STOP trying to diagnose yourself, HIV cannot be diagnosed through symptoms. There is only one way to determine anybodies HIV status, a blood test, yours was negative. Stop looking at “HIV symptoms" on Google. Please stop freaking yourself out, your test shows you have not got HIV. If you wish to go for another blood test, (a test at three months is considered conclusive) to ease your mind, then of course this is entirely up to yourself. Given your zero risk exposure and your conclusive results, it will also be negative.

Regards Kevin.

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Old 12-02-2010, 02:57 AM   #3
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

Friends,

Can ARS symptons occurr 2 months past exposure. FYI, I had chronic diarrhea (loose and black stool) after 2 months past exposure. Almost the same time i developed swollen tonsil and tonsil stone. No other significant sympton happens except these 2 symptons (if i'm not mistaken, i got 1-2 days night sweat only for the past 4 months). Other symptons like rash, joint/muscles pain, stomach noise, dizzy etc only start happening after 4 and 1/2 months possible exposure.

I know CDC and other coutries stardard window period is 3 months. I tested at 4 months and my result should be conclusive but what is driving me crazy and worry is the symptons. I used to be a healthy person and never have all these weird symptons before the possible exposure.

All good people at this forum, I need your advice what is happening to me???

Is anybody here see any -ve at 3 months then turns to +ve after 6months or 1 year???

God bless you all good person.........

 
Old 12-02-2010, 06:53 AM   #4
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

Hey K100,


I would encourage you to read the vast number of posts onthis site. Many of us, including myself, become so obsessed with symptoms and fears we are unable to accept proof. Would you keep testing like this if you thought you had cancer? No!!, we all have been told by medical professionals of our status, most people accept them. There are people like you and I who can't. What do we do, we turn to strangers, so we don't trust doctors and their advise but we turn to average people for their advice. Kinda funny huh. Like brining a car to be fixed by a mechanic and having your neighbor fix it instead...

So to give you an understanding...I had a potential (I don't know her status but made the assumption she was +) at 2 weeks had sympptoms develop, swollen nodes, muscle aches, fatigue, loss of appetite, low WBC, elevated liver enzymes...all signes of infection. I am 19 weeks out still have certain issues, eye twitches, muscle aches, swollen nodes, ect... I did not have a swollen throat, fever or rash...theses are my saving graces as they are the 3 most common symptoms of ARS but again non-specific.

I have tested the following:

2 weeks hiv 1/2 antibody and DNA pcr-----NEGETIVE

3 weeks hiv 1/2 antibody-----NEGETIVE

4 weeks 1/2 antibody and DNA pcr-----NEGETIVE

6 weeks hiv 1/2 rapid oral swab-----NEGETIVE

6.5 weeks hiv 1/2 antibody-----NEGETIVE

8 weeks hiv 1/2 rapid oral swab-----NEGETIVE

9 weeks hep b/c antibody-----NEGETIVE

10 weeks hiv 1/2 rapid oral swab-----NEGETIVE


11 weeks hiv 1/2 rapid oral swab-----NEGETIVE


12 weeks hiv 1/2 rapid finger stick-----NEGETIVE

14 weeks hiv 1/2 rapid oral swab-----NEGETIVE


16 weeks 1/2 antibody and std panel, hep b/c antibody-----NEGETIVE

17 weeks hep c RNA Pcr-----NEGETIVE

19 weeks hiv 1/2 rapid oral swab-----NEGETIVE


Thats 12 antibody tests, 2 hiv dna pcr tests, 2 hep b/c antibody tests and 1 hep c RNA pcr

ALL NEG!!! My PCP told me at week 3 not to worry as either the antibody or PCR would have been positive. I met and spoke with 3 HIV specialists all who assure me i DON'T HAVE hiv....


So to your situation, we are all in the same boat, I know there are tons of people on this site that would be happy with my results. What you have to do is trust the tests, so if you have tested (based on risk) at the appropriate time then trust the result...if you can't do as I did, contact a specialist and meet with them, if that does not work meet with a psychologist....but TRUST THE TESTS....


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CAPE

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Old 12-02-2010, 07:01 AM   #5
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

Friend, I suggest you use your time and resources to find another possible cause. do not lock yourself on HIV.

There are a number of std you might want to look into like EBV, Lyme.

get yourself a specialist.

 
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

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Friend, I suggest you use your time and resources to find another possible cause. do not lock yourself on HIV.

There are a number of std you might want to look into like EBV, Lyme.

get yourself a specialist.
that is the best advice you are going to get.
the tests they have today
for hiv have become dead nuts accurate.
good luck

 
Old 12-02-2010, 04:57 PM   #7
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

All good persons,

Indeed, I had gone for 4th generation test at 4 months marks and came back -ve. Some symptons have gone but some don't go away and other new symptons were appeared after 4 months mark. I forgot to mentioned that I also had some chronic pain at right side of epididymis since 4 days ago.

My questions are

1) Is my symptons look like ARS/HIV acute/early infection? Please refer to the previous post for more symptons?

2) How reliable of HIV antibody test at 4 months post exposure? Do you see any turns to possitive at 6months or 12 months after 3 months negative?

Thanks again

Ken100

 
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

most people that are infected with hiv will show symptoms
well before 6 weeks and the symptoms will all appear at around the same time.
not strug out over weeks like you say.
your symptoms are not hiv specific meaning they don't fit the pattern at all.

the tests are dead nuts accurate at 4 months..
there is no known person who has tested pos after a 4 month neg
with this generation of hiv test.
you are hiv negative

 
Old 12-02-2010, 06:45 PM   #9
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

Smiteler,

how long real HIV rash apprears if the person is hiv+? Is the HIV rash heals and then turns to dark/brown color? Or it just dissapear after that? can it only apprear after 4 months of possible infection???

Is somebody have acute symptons such like diarrhea, how long it will last? I had diarrhea after 2 months of possible exposure which last for almost 1 and 1/2 months. Can it be???

Your words and advice will calm me down. Thank again good man......

 
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

Hi there,

Your symptoms are not HIV related, you were not exposed to an infection at all. You have had conclusive negative tests. PLEASE, please stop trying to diagnose yourself. If you are concerned and you have no reason to be, then get checked out.

Kevin.

 
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptons are killing me

my rash appeared within 3 days from when i was infected
and it stayed around for about a week and it did not turn brown.
i was red and blotchy and it then faded away
the only diarrhea i have ever had has been
side effects from the pills i take.
you need to talk to a doctor who can help you
figure out whats wrong.
i can assure you its not hiv.

 
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Old 12-02-2010, 10:10 PM   #12
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptoms are killing me

Smiteler,

Thanks for the prompt reply. Anyway, I will retest at 6months and 3 weeks to reconfirm the -ve status. It would be in next year early January.

I hope it is not also other STDs. Hope it is my anxiety symptons. However, I will looking for the doctor next year Jan(after confirm not due to hiv) to examine my illness. I will send my definitive negative result by mid January.

To other good person,

Thank for your invalueable advice and encouragement as well.


regards,
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptoms are killing me

Hi friends,

I'm back with my 7 months @ 210days negative hiv result. I went for 3rd generation and 4th generation test in same day and both came back negative. I also test for other STDs (Syphilis serolgy modified VDRL, syphilis TP CIMA, Herpes simplex type I&II IgG, chlamydia IgG) and Hepatitis A,B and C all came back negative.

I should be very happy BUT I'm still felling sick. I had chronic upper stomach pain(no diarrhea anymore) and bloating, palm tingling/pain, on&off left testicle(actually beside my left testicle) pain, chronic headache(left lower back), constant pain at left armpit only(feel develop a lump), dizziness & fatigue sometimes. As you guys know, I had performed full blood scan and hiv test at 4 months post exposure. I had done a colonoscopic diagnosis(from Anus up to caecum), OGDS diagnosis for stomach, testicle ultrasound test. All came back negative. I should not worry about cancer (i think) from my blood test - for male cancer profile (prostate specific antigen, carcinoEmbryonic Ag, ca 19-9 and Alpha Feto-protein, beta-HCG) all came back negative as well. No bacteria didn't found in my stool as well.

I have no idea what is happening to my body. Do you think I'm 100% no dount free from HIV infection??? Do you see/hear any one test positive after 6 months?

What is happening to me??? It is undiagnosed health issue. If it is no hiv then what is it? I have no idea what to do next??

Ken100

 
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Re: Negative at 4 months but symptoms are killing me

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I have no idea what is happening to my body. Do you think I'm 100% no dount free from HIV infection??? Do you see/hear any one test positive after 6 months?

What is happening to me??? It is undiagnosed health issue. If it is no hiv then what is it? I have no idea what to do next??

Ken100
ken, we have told you before, it is something other then hiv
the tests are very accurate these days and don't lie.
as to whats wrong
the best thing for you to do is
find and work very closely with a good observant doctor
and have some patience as some things
can take some time to figure out.
especially when nothing obvious shows up in your tests.
i can tell you it is not hiv for sure,
because there is no mystery to it.
you are hiv negative
good luck

 
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Hi friends,

I'm back with my 7 months @ 210days negative hiv result. I went for 3rd generation and 4th generation test in same day and both came back negative. I also test for other STDs (Syphilis serolgy modified VDRL, syphilis TP CIMA, Herpes simplex type I&II IgG, chlamydia IgG) and Hepatitis A,B and C all came back negative. So your Negative on all accounts, no ifs or buts, your negative


I have no idea what is happening to my body. Do you think I'm 100% no dount free from HIV infection??? Do you see/hear any one test positive after 6 months? Never

What is happening to me??? It is undiagnosed health issue. If it is no hiv then what is it? I have no idea what to do next?? Go to a doctor, they deal with facts not medical speculation like you have for 7 months. You have wasted 7 months on this, so see a doctor



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