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Old 11-04-2011, 07:17 PM   #1
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When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

The quote below is from this forum:

"It has never happened on this board, while I have been a member, which is over five years. I have never seen it happen on another HIV forum either, in fact I have seen a leading HIV specialist state, on a doctors boards, he has never seen anybody test positive after a seven week negative test.

You will be fine.

Kevin. "

This quote above comes from this forum. My question, when you guys or the doctor in the quote from this forum above says this about a seven weeks test, does this "seven weeks negative test" include the rapid tests as given by clinics that have results in under 30 minutes or do you mean lab tests where the sample was run through some other type of non-instant test?

Yes, I have been told by you guys I need not worry and I am accepting that, nonetheless, just for my general and future knowledge, I am trying to understand the slang involved in all of this. Are the rapid tests reliable enough to be included in the;

"I have seen a leading HIV specialist state, on a doctors boards, he has never seen anybody test positive after a seven week negative test."

All quotes from this forum by this forums leaders.

One other question about rapid tests, they all say, it seems in the included info sheet with the test package that they require a 3 month window for accuracy. Obviously, these are not an ON/OFF switch like a light bulb. Are you guys, who have the experience to understand, are these tests reliable indicators at 6 weeks/8 weeks etc? Or, again, are you guys talking about laboratory run tests?

Thank you in advance.

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Re: When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

they are talking about both tests

the rapid tests are much more sensitive then the lab tests
and in turn they are more supseptable to false positives.
both tests are usually used together in tandem

the rapid test will be the initial screening
if a rapid test has a positive hit, a lab test will then
be used to confirm and eliminate a false positive.
the rapid test rarely or almost never has a false negative result so
when a negative happens there is no reason for the lab test follow up
that a positive result will get.

 
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Re: When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

Ohhhhhhh, OK, I think I understand. Thank you.

 
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Re: When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

The rapid test (ELISA) is what is generally used in all labs across the USA for a first test. If non-reactive, you do not have HIV. HOWEVER, they (the test manufacturers and the CDC and leading HIV specialists) say three months is definitive/conclusive. 6 months is outdated and should not be in place anymore. The only time it is suggested to test beyond a 13 week negative is if you have done hardcore drugs (heroin, cocain, etc.), had chemo recently, or a transplant.

Now for the other HOWEVER, like I said, leading HIV specialists say 3 months, but that is your confirmatory test. It is strongly believed that a 6 week negative HIV
test will catch nearly everyone who tests post their most recent exposure. Dr. Hook (an HIV specialist and informer for prevention) openly claims a 8 week HIV test to be 99% accurate. He still however suggests a 3 month test. More for peace of mind, as he and many other doctors know very well how good these HIV tests actually are.

No one on this board has ever seen a 6 week HIV negative (or NON-REACTIVE) ELISA come back at 13 weeks and test positive. Niether have any of the leading HIV specialists on the Internet. Actually, of all the hotlines I called during my crisis, not a single person I talked to has seen a 6 week negative (or NON-REACTIVE) ELISA test turn positive at 13 weeks. I also talked to QuestDiagnostics and they as well (the people that give you your results) agreed that a 6 week test will pretty much give you your status. Dr. HHH openly stated a 6 week HIV test is 95% accurate, probably closer to 99%. Let alone a 8 week HIV test. A lot of people think they're that one exception that didn't test right. But in reality, the people that don't test right have something else going on they probably didn't tell anyone about, like a more recent exposure prior to their conclusive 13 week test.

There are no new strains of HIV, there is no infected peoples that go undetected. Symptoms as well mean nothing. I, along with many other people on this forum experienced symptoms and all tested negative. It's usually a coincidence, or peoples stress make them sick. I determined today that since I got my 13 week HIV test back (I am now stress free), all of my symptoms went away (swollen lymphnodes in the neck that persisted for 2 months. Along with neck pains and my headaches. GO FIGURE. Everyone is like this, people just listen to what's on the Internet to much. People read articles from 2000 and dont even realize it, and get bad information.

I know way to much about the subject. I promise you with a 8 week negative you will continue to test negative. These guidelines haven't been updated in years upon years. Were almost in 2012, tests are good now, this isn't the 80's. 1 year is out of the question. I read one guy that said over and over that HIV can remain undetected for up to 10 years. There are a lot of Ill-informed people in this world on HIV. Be careful what you believe. The information I have provided you is 100% accurate.

ELISA, rapid test, same thing. The only difference is the generation in some cases. Which once you get to 8 weeks the generation no longer matters. 13 weeks is strictly enforced because it is what is conclusive. But think of it more as a confirmatory test. Hope I helped. And to anyone that reads this.

 
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Re: When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

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Ohhhhhhh, OK, I think I understand. Thank you.

Not to mention you wasnt at risk of HIV anyway, so really enjoy life and move on buddy
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Not to mention you wasnt at risk of HIV anyway, so really enjoy life and move on buddy
Thanks, lol , I am much better, seriously. I am just trying to educate myself as my previous claim of henceforth total abstinence might not be entirely realistic. So, should I fail my celibacy plan I don't want to go through this anxiety again, it is my thinking, I should educate myself. If I understand things, then maybe I will not go nuts next time, if there is a next time.

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Re: When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

Just use condoms for sex and you will have nothing to worry about. You need not worry about things as much as you do, so relax
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Re: When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

Yes I mean all tests. Buddy, HIV does still generate fear even though it has been around for over 30 years now. A lot of this fear comes with the massive waiting period before getting is called a conclusive result. This result, despite the massive advances that have been made by medical science, is still only available, officially, at 12 weeks/3 months depending on which country you are from. There is a gap between the official window period and what is being experienced by those who work in this field daily. The experts I have quoted that have stating this have worked in this field, are actually world leading experts and have been there right from the start.

It is known, as a fact, that most people who contract HIV will seroconversion by about 22 days (go from negative to positive) and almost all HIV infections are detected between 2 to 6 weeks. And yes as far as anybody is aware it is unheard of for a seven weeks negative test to later turn positive.

This is not to say that anybody who has had a seven week negative result should not test out to the official window period of 12 weeks. Everybody, without exception, who as an HIV concern, is always advised and encouraged to test out to the official window period. This is done simply because world health organisation’s still view this period of time as absolute. It as to be made clear that just because nobody has ever heard of a seven week negative test later turning positive it does not mean it cannot happen. It would be exceptionally rare for it to happen, but it could happen.

Please be assured that HIV is an ongoing situation and medical practices are fluid with regards to it, they do change as does the advice that is given. This advice can and does change with circumstances and if it is ever confirmed ( not claimed) by medical science that somebody who is in good health as tested positive after a late stage negative result naturally so will the advice.

Kevin.

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Old 11-05-2011, 05:38 PM   #9
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Re: When people say "test" what kind of test do they mean?

Well, today, just by accident, I ran into the casual encounter fellow that began all of this pain for me. So, I flat out asked him, again, was he HIV negative and he swears he is negative and free of disease. He has a medical issue, which is not related HIV, heart issue, and he says his doctor monitors all of those things. I guess people can lie but I am starting to believe he is as he says. Nonetheless, I have learned a lesson here and the knowledge of what constitutes actually safe sex from urban myth. I have gained knowledge both from you guys and other places and this will hopefully keep me out of trouble and smart in the future.

 
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