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Old 12-29-2003, 05:30 PM   #1
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Question Enterococcus Faeclis

Is There Anyone Out There That Knows About Enterococcus Faeclis?
I Have A Bad Case And All My Drs. Just Don't Want To Tell How It Is.
They Treat Me With Levaquin But It Still Wont Go Away. If You Have Any Info. Let Me Know.

 
Old 12-30-2003, 07:09 AM   #2
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

All I can tell you is how the name of the bacteria breaks down. "Entero" means it affects your intestines, and "faecalis" means it lives in (and is transferred by contact with) poop. You didn't say whether you got it from eating tainted food, but I would think that could happen.
So, if it's food poisoning, it could hang around a while. I had a bad case of Salmonella years ago, and it was weeks before I felt OK again.
Hope this helps.
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Old 12-31-2003, 07:49 AM   #3
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

Quote:
Originally Posted by CINCO
Is There Anyone Out There That Knows About Enterococcus Faeclis?
I Have A Bad Case And All My Drs. Just Don't Want To Tell How It Is.
They Treat Me With Levaquin But It Still Wont Go Away. If You Have Any Info. Let Me Know.
CINCO, you mentioned being treated for staph aureus and e, faecalis. what type of unfection are you treating?

e. faecalis is a normal inhabinant of the bowel, and is predictably resistent to most antibiotics. Bactrim (trimethoprim/sulfa might work. your doctors should have done a culture and susceptibility test, because resistence is common with these two organisms,

Levaquin is one of the newer quinolones, and this class has a reputation of bacteria quickly becoming resistent.

have a nice new year

bruce

 
Old 01-01-2004, 03:56 AM   #4
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Question Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

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CINCO, you mentioned being treated for staph aureus and e, faecalis. what type of unfection are you treating?

e. faecalis is a normal inhabinant of the bowel, and is predictably resistent to most antibiotics. Bactrim (trimethoprim/sulfa might work. your doctors should have done a culture and susceptibility test, because resistence is common with these two organisms,

Levaquin is one of the newer quinolones, and this class has a reputation of bacteria quickly becoming resistent.

have a nice new year

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HI BRUCE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. AFTER READING YOUR THREADS I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. I GET TREATED FOR ENTEROCOCCOUS FAE. THAT KEEPS ME WITH A UTI. INFECTION. THE REASON IS THE E.FAE HAS COLONIZED IN MY BOWELS AND BECOMES ACTIVE AFTER GOING OFF THE ANTIBIOTIC. THE SENSITIVITY TEST ALWAY SHOWS RESISTANT TO MOST OTHER ANTB.
THEN THIS LEADS TO THE FACT THAT I WENT FOR SO LONG WITHOUT TREATMENT THAT IT SPREADED TO MY BONES. CAUSING OSTEOMYELITIS.
I WATCHED THIS ORGANISM EAT FROM THE INSIDE OUT ON MY MOMS TAILBONE BEFORE SHE PASSED AWAY.
MY PROBLEM IS NONE OF MY DRS. WANT TO INVESTIGATE AND SEE IF THIS IS MY PROBLEM. EVEN IF THE REPORTS FROM THE BONE SCAN,MRI'S,AND EVERY TEST THAT HAS BEEN DONE IS POINTING TO BE OST.
SO ANYWAY MABE I WILL GET LUCKY THIS YEAR.

 
Old 01-01-2004, 10:02 AM   #5
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

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HI BRUCE AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. AFTER READING YOUR THREADS I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. I GET TREATED FOR ENTEROCOCCOUS FAE. THAT KEEPS ME WITH A UTI. INFECTION. THE REASON IS THE E.FAE HAS COLONIZED IN MY BOWELS AND BECOMES ACTIVE AFTER GOING OFF THE ANTIBIOTIC. THE SENSITIVITY TEST ALWAY SHOWS RESISTANT TO MOST OTHER ANTB.
THEN THIS LEADS TO THE FACT THAT I WENT FOR SO LONG WITHOUT TREATMENT THAT IT SPREADED TO MY BONES. CAUSING OSTEOMYELITIS.
I WATCHED THIS ORGANISM EAT FROM THE INSIDE OUT ON MY MOMS TAILBONE BEFORE SHE PASSED AWAY.
MY PROBLEM IS NONE OF MY DRS. WANT TO INVESTIGATE AND SEE IF THIS IS MY PROBLEM. EVEN IF THE REPORTS FROM THE BONE SCAN,MRI'S,AND EVERY TEST THAT HAS BEEN DONE IS POINTING TO BE OST.
SO ANYWAY MABE I WILL GET LUCKY THIS YEAR.
Some of this is a little confusing to me. A UTI without complications, spreads to kidney, should be easy to treat, because the E. faecalisis exposed to the antibiotic and not in the tissue and you can get high levels of the antibiotic in the urine.

I don't understand why you and your doctors disagree on what is your problem.

If you have osteomylitis caused by E. faecalis and/or Staph aureus, the drug of choice is Vancomycin. It is a very expensive drug and blood levels should be done to make sure the level does not reach the toxic range. You would have to be admitted to the hospital to be treated.

E. faecalis is found in almost all humans intestinal tract. The organism is an opportunist and can infect the bone from deep decubitus ulcers.

One possibility is you might be getting a false positive urine culture, because women can carry E. faecalis in the vaginal area without symptoms (colonized).
We get around this by counting the colonies of bacteria on the culture plate. A UTI willtypically have a colony count of >100,000 colonies per ml.

I don't know if i helped you, but would be glad to answer any questions if i can.

Take care, bruce

 
Old 01-02-2004, 11:05 AM   #6
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

E. faecalis should be sensitive to nitrofurantoin which is commonly used to treat UTI's in the UK. Has this been tried at all?
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Old 01-02-2004, 03:38 PM   #7
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

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E. faecalis should be sensitive to nitrofurantoin which is commonly used to treat UTI's in the UK. Has this been tried at all?

pandagirl, you are hot tonight.good posts. i forgot about nitrofurantoin. yes, it should work for garden variety utis, but wouldn't work for osteomyilitis or other systemic infections. most of it is excreted in the urine.

Bruce

 
Old 01-03-2004, 04:00 AM   #8
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

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Some of this is a little confusing to me. A UTI without complications, spreads to kidney, should be easy to treat, because the E. faecalisis exposed to the antibiotic and not in the tissue and you can get high levels of the antibiotic in the urine.

I don't understand why you and your doctors disagree on what is your problem.

If you have osteomylitis caused by E. faecalis and/or Staph aureus, the drug of choice is Vancomycin. It is a very expensive drug and blood levels should be done to make sure the level does not reach the toxic range. You would have to be admitted to the hospital to be treated.

E. faecalis is found in almost all humans intestinal tract. The organism is an opportunist and can infect the bone from deep decubitus ulcers.

One possibility is you might be getting a false positive urine culture, because women can carry E. faecalis in the vaginal area without symptoms (colonized).
We get around this by counting the colonies of bacteria on the culture plate. A UTI willtypically have a colony count of >100,000 colonies per ml.

I don't know if i helped you, but would be glad to answer any questions if i can.

Take care, bruce

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HI BRUCE ,YES I HAVE BEEN CATHETERIZED BY MY UROLOGIST 4 TIMES IN A MON.TO GET A CLEAN URINE CULTURE. HE SAID TO ME THIS SHOULD HAVE CLEARED UP, LEVAQUAIN IS A VERY STRONG ANTI. I GO BACK TO HIM NEXT TUE. AND HE SAID IF IT SHOWED POS. AGAIN HE WOULD PUT ME ON AN ANTI. TO TAKE EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. AND THE WAY I FEEL THAT MIGHT NOT BE TOO LONG. I AM BURNING UP INSIDE MY WHOLE BODY. I FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY HAS A MATCH STUCK TO ME.
YOU ARE RIGHT BRUCE ON THE DECUBITUS ULCERS? I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ALSO. BUT THEN AGAIN MY GASTRO. DR. HAS NOT BEEN A LOT OF HELP. THE PATH. REPORT ON A ENDOSCOPE SHOWED <CHRONIC GASTRITIS,ACTIVE. LYMPHOID FOLLICLES WITH GERMINAL CENTERS PRESENT. EXTENSIVE INTESTINAL METAPLASIA PREASENT.CURVILINEAR ORGANISMS PREASENT.WITH HELICOBACACTER PYLORI>HE TREATED ME FOR THE H.PY.AND LEFT IT AT THAT.
MY BONE SCAN SHOWED A HOT SPOT ON MY TAILBONE. THE REPORT SAID IT WAS NORMAL. I ASK MY REG. DR. AND HE SAID YOU MUST HAVE FEEL AND AND CAUSED THIS,NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. [I]NOT FOR HIM ITS NOT HIS
TAIL.
ALSO E.FAE.IS A COMMON NOSOCOMIAL INFECTION.

MORE TO COME

 
Old 01-03-2004, 07:42 AM   #9
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

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HI BRUCE ,YES I HAVE BEEN CATHETERIZED BY MY UROLOGIST 4 TIMES IN A MON.TO GET A CLEAN URINE CULTURE. HE SAID TO ME THIS SHOULD HAVE CLEARED UP, LEVAQUAIN IS A VERY STRONG ANTI. I GO BACK TO HIM NEXT TUE. AND HE SAID IF IT SHOWED POS. AGAIN HE WOULD PUT ME ON AN ANTI. TO TAKE EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. AND THE WAY I FEEL THAT MIGHT NOT BE TOO LONG. I AM BURNING UP INSIDE MY WHOLE BODY. I FEEL LIKE SOMEBODY HAS A MATCH STUCK TO ME.
YOU ARE RIGHT BRUCE ON THE DECUBITUS ULCERS? I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ALSO. BUT THEN AGAIN MY GASTRO. DR. HAS NOT BEEN A LOT OF HELP. THE PATH. REPORT ON A ENDOSCOPE SHOWED <CHRONIC GASTRITIS,ACTIVE. LYMPHOID FOLLICLES WITH GERMINAL CENTERS PRESENT. EXTENSIVE INTESTINAL METAPLASIA PREASENT.CURVILINEAR ORGANISMS PREASENT.WITH HELICOBACACTER PYLORI>HE TREATED ME FOR THE H.PY.AND LEFT IT AT THAT.
MY BONE SCAN SHOWED A HOT SPOT ON MY TAILBONE. THE REPORT SAID IT WAS NORMAL. I ASK MY REG. DR. AND HE SAID YOU MUST HAVE FEEL AND AND CAUSED THIS,NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. [I]NOT FOR HIM ITS NOT HIS
TAIL.
ALSO E.FAE.IS A COMMON NOSOCOMIAL INFECTION.

MORE TO COME

We used to screen for H. pylori, testing gastric biopsies. That should take care of the gastritis.

You really have a variety of problems. This UTI should be clearing up. When thing they should do is check you out for a reason you continue to have a UTI.
Drinking cranberry juice, and also drinking a lot of fluid might help. Of course, you probably alrready know that. Retention of urine or reflux are other reasons.

Do you check your temp? A UTI could get up into your kidneys, and i have seen many cases of septicemia that can be caused by an acute UTI.

You are taking an effective antbiotic, but E. faecalis can cause a septicemia. If a septicemia is suspected, two antibiotics are recommended, Ampicillin plus tobramycin. They act synergistically.

Have a good one.

Bruce

 
Old 09-21-2004, 05:56 PM   #10
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

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E. faecalis should be sensitive to nitrofurantoin which is commonly used to treat UTI's in the UK. Has this been tried at all?
Yes, I tried but it doesn't work at all. It's been 2 years since I have UTI (enterococcus). I tried many antibiotics Cipro, Mylan Bactrim etc. but nothing help. Last week I was clear because of Cipro and My urologist gave me nitrofurantoin but it didn't help now I got it again. I drink plenty of cranberry juice, eat only healthy food, never drink alcohol or smoke but nothing can kill this animal. I'm 40 years old who looks much younger and very healthy, but now I'm miserable and I don't know how I got it and how I'm going to kill it. I cannot take any more of Cipro because it can damage my body and helps only temporary. If you know how to help me please tell me what to do.

 
Old 05-14-2006, 04:15 PM   #11
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

Cinco/Bruce:

After two years of testing for all kinds of STDs, Rheumatologic and GI diseases / disorders -- finally a doctor has found the possible cause of my problems. E. Faecalis!
It was found in a prostatic fluid culture (semen) .. we retested to make sure and then treated w/ Ampicillin (30 days) / Tequin (60 days). After waiting for 4 weeks after treatment.. I re-tested and the bug was still in my prostatic fluid.

I've consulted my ID docs / Urologist. Their views are mixed on whether to treat again or not. I feel like crap (dry eyes, mouth throat, bloated, tired). I have a prescription for 3,000 mg of Ampicillin per day for 3 weeks. I am check w/ other doctors to make sure this is the right course of action.

Any thoughts from the board would be appreciated.

Thanks!

 
Old 06-08-2006, 05:51 PM   #12
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

There are only 3 antiobiotics that will touch this infection. Amoxicillian, Ampicillian and Vancmycin. It can only be treated by the stats there are available. 3 weeks on IV antiobiotics and 90% of the population will be cured. If you have had a surgery and have "hardware" it will most likely have to be removed. It's very resistant.
Good Luck.

 
Old 07-26-2006, 06:43 PM   #13
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Re: Enterococcus Faeclis

I have a five year son that was diagnosed two months ago with Mono. I took him to the Dr. due to other symptoms- constant fever, stomach pains and diarrhea. He was first diagnosed with sinus infection/ear infection and was given some antibiotics. He just kept getting worse where he wouldn't eat or drink much. That is when we took him to the ER and they said Mono. The first thing I suggested to the first Dr. was that we went to a local beach and the water was somewhat yucky looking in places, I thought he might have caught something. They didn't seem interested in that. All through the mono the fever, gas and diarrhea kept on, which does not go with mono. Well, seven weeks now and he still has a fever and occassional diarhea and gas. The blood work is fine and the CT is fine. I did just check the website for the beach we went to and it showed that it often shows very high levels according to the EPA of Eterococcus. We are going to a Infectious Disease Pediatric Specialist next week. Does anyone have an idea if this sounds like Entero? or what it could be. Thanks

 
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