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Old 04-22-2004, 09:19 PM   #1
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anyone ever try arjuna?

Tree bark from an Indian tree, an element of which prevents the binding of herpes to cells. (a t least in the test tube) Its been two years now, and while I'm not dizzy, this thing drags me down every day. Head ringing, tinnitus, just feeling lousy. Docs send me to the shrink. Isn't there some Medical doctor who ever got this? I think its a virus, thats so well established, my only hope is to try to keep it on the down low. Any response is appreciated. I'd put my head in the microwave, if I thought it would help.

 
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Re: anyone ever try arjuna?

Hi MSG,

That sounds really interesting. Where did you get the info? Is there a journal you can point me to at all.....or a search term to pull up the study?

Thanks...Scott

 
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Re: anyone ever try arjuna?

Me again....I actually found these abstracts on Pubmed:


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Antiviral activities of medicinal plants of southern Nepal.

Taylor RS, Hudson JB, Manandhar NP, Towers GH. J Ethnopharmacol 1996

Department of Botany, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada.

In a screening of plants used traditionally in Nepal to treat diseases that could be caused by viruses, twenty-one methanol extracts from twenty species were quantitatively assayed for activity against three mammalian viruses: herpes simplex virus, Sindbis virus and poliovirus. Assays were performed in ultraviolet (UV)-A or visible light, as well as dark, and cytotoxicity was also noted. Impressive antiviral activities were exhibited by species of Bauhinia (Fabaceae), Carissa (Apocynaceae), Milletia (Fabaceae), Mallotus (Fabaceae), Rumex (Polygonaceae), Streblus (Moraceae), Terminalia (Combretaceae) and Tridax (Asteraceae). The Carissa extract was the most active, showing activity against all three viruses at a concentration of 12 micrograms/ml. Many of the other extracts showed partial inactivation of one or more test viruses.
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Antiherpes simplex virus type 2 activity of casuarinin from the bark of Terminalia arjuna Linn

Cheng HY, Lin CC, Lin TC. Antiviral Res 2002

Casuarinin, a hydrolyzable tannin isolated from the bark of Terminalia arjuna Linn. (Combretaceae), was investigated for its antiviral activity on herpes simplex type 2 (HSV-2) in vitro. Results showed that the IC(50) of casuarinin in XTT and plaque reduction assays were 3.6+/-0.9 and 1.5+/-0.2 microM, respectively. The 50% cytotoxic concentration for cell growth (CC(50)) was 89+/-1 microM. Thus, the selectivity index (SI) (ratio of CC(50) to IC(50)) of casuarinin was 25 and 59 for XTT and plaque reduction assays, respectively. Casuarinin continued to exhibit antiviral activity even added 12 h after infection. During the attachment assay, casuarinin was shown to prevent the attachment of HSV-2 to cells. Furthermore, casuarinin also exhibited an activity in inhibiting the viral penetration. Interestingly, casuarinin was virucidal at a concentration of 25 microM, reducing viral titers up to 100,000-fold. This study concludes that casuarinin possesses anti-herpesvirus activity in inhibiting viral attachment and penetration, and also disturbing the late event(s) of infection.

I might see if my girlfriend can hunt this stuff down in her clinic since every time I get a dose of herpes, my lab symptoms go wild!

Scott

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Old 04-23-2004, 08:29 PM   #4
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Re: anyone ever try arjuna?

Yes, Scottsman, Thats the article I saw. It was in the Alternative Medicine review. I'm waiting for the bark to come in the mail. That other quote is very interesting. I had really great results a year or so ago by eating horseradish, just about knocked it totally out of my system, but then it came back, and the horsradish no longer worked. To me that suggested that the virus had found a way to resist it. So I am excited to see all those other things. I would be inclined to take a bunch of them at once, except for the fact that would seem a little risky, without really knowing how they might all react together. I just cant help but think that if a cause could be found, it would make everything so much more straitforward. I personally don't even know how viruses are found. I was under the impression that it was the antibody which was normally identified. DO you know anything about this? If it is in fact a virus, does it circulate in the blood? or just hang around in the nerves? I have read about trigeminal neuralgia, which seems similar to me, but in a different nerve. Perhaps the body is able to contain it once it has dug in. But its curious to me the way it seems to be in both ears. How would it have got from one to the other? And why doesnt it infect other places?

 
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Re: anyone ever try arjuna?

Hi MSG,

Like you I really have to stop these herpes attacks. They used to come every 6 months but now it's about every 4 weeks or less. And with the attacks, my lab symptoms get much worse - onset usually starts with feeling really low for a day followed by an increase in dizziness and just an overall ill feeling. Is that the sort of thing you're putting up with (minus the dizziness)?

The herpes virus is a double-stranded DNA virus that inserts its DNA directly into yours in the dorsal root ganglion (ie. nerve cells). For whatever reason it becomes reactivated and moves down the nerve to the skin surface. But it must bind to the cells at certain points and I think this is where the herbs work (apparently Zinc 2+, 0.05% works too). It doesn't circulate in the blood but travels by physical external contact. However, I wonder if the labyrinthitis has something to do with the virus. There is evidence to show that herpes DNA has been found inserted in the cells of the inner ear. How would it travel to the inner ear? I suspect they don't fully understand its transmission. Herpes is detected by identifying positively matched antibodies in the blood as you said.

Check out this article, a little technical but explains it in more detail:

[url]http://www.tulane.edu/~dmsander/WWW/335/Herpesviruses.html[/url]

Where did you get the bark from? Is there a search I can do to find the link?

Cheers....Scott

 
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