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Old 03-12-2009, 06:31 PM   #1
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Popping ears-can't take it anymore...

Hi evryone,

New to this board and need help as I'm loosing my mind. It sounds like a thumping in my left ear and I can feel my ear drum move. If you cover your ear with one hand and tap it with the other, that is the sound it makes. This only happens when any pressure is put into the middle ear, like a hiccup, burp, yawn etc..and when it starts it thumps slow to fast (like a slow to fast heart beat) then stops for a few seconds then starts again sometimes for days. I haven't slept for over three months because of this. I went and saw an ENT and he put a slit in my eardrum, this kind of helped because when it would start thumping it went away quick because it almost seemed like the pressure escaped through the slit. The only relief I can get is by taking Sudafed or advil sinus/cold because if it starts I can open and close my jaw quick and it goes away. Without Sudafed or Advil sinus it will not stop at all.

Sorry about the long post, I would appreciate any help at all!!!

Thanks,

Mike

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Old 03-12-2009, 09:09 PM   #2
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Re: Popping ears-can't take it anymore...

i know there is a muscle around there related to the ear that can spasm... can't recall exactly but i've heard people mention this before.

dunno what it can be but hiccups, yawns and burps trigger my ear too and i have a perilymph fistula.

 
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Old 03-12-2009, 10:27 PM   #3
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Re: Popping ears-can't take it anymore...

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i know there is a muscle around there related to the ear that can spasm... can't recall exactly but i've heard people mention this before.

dunno what it can be but hiccups, yawns and burps trigger my ear too and i have a perilymph fistula.
Thats weird that hiccups, burps etc..trigger your problem. Could these triggers affect a muscle and cause it to spasm??? I'm just hoping that I find someone on this forum who has had the same thing I have and found a cure!!!

 
Old 03-15-2009, 08:01 AM   #4
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anyone else??? Please!!

 
Old 03-17-2009, 12:04 PM   #5
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i have spasming muscles in and around my bad ear but that has something to do with the PLF. with this condition, i get a lot of involvement- like spasms, pain, stiffness etc.

for me, the hiccups, burps etc affect pressure and pressure changes cause a tiny hole in the oval window to open and leak out perilymph fluid. this fluid then hits the nerves in the ear and causes mixed signals in the vestibular system causing disorientation etc.

i'm not sure how the muscle pain is involved but it's been noted with a PLF before. i think some might have to do with CSF involvement and inter cranial pressure... plus i also hold my head in a guarded way and some of it might be from that.

it's just a guess but i'd say there might be something else going on besides muscle spasms. and the spasms are just are a result of whatever the main issue is.

has a dentist treated you for TMJ? do you have any other symptoms besides this?

 
Old 03-18-2009, 07:29 PM   #6
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Re: Popping ears-can't take it anymore...

thanks for the reply...well I have ringing in my ears and some clackling sounds when I open close my jaw or swallow (which I can live with), but this thumping ear drum is making me loose my mind. I have an appointment with my ENT tomorrow so hopefully he can do something for me. The only thing that helps is Sudafed or other strong decongestants so that should indicate fluid drainage problems right??? I gues ETD??

 
Old 03-23-2009, 08:05 PM   #7
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Re: Popping ears-can't take it anymore...

ENT put a tube in my left ear 4 days ago and I still have this thumping/popping in my ear. Has anyone had this before??? Anyone?

 
Old 03-24-2009, 01:14 PM   #8
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ENT put a tube in my left ear 4 days ago and I still have this thumping/popping in my ear. Has anyone had this before??? Anyone?
Hello...do u notice anything that triggers the thumping/popping? Do sounds trigger this?

One possibility that goes under the radar when visiting ENTs is
1) Middle ear myoclonus (spasm of the tiny muscles in the middle ear)
2) Tensor tympani myoclonus
3) Stapedial myoclonus
These can cause thumping/popping in the ear, but not all ENTs know about it because it is rare.

Another possibility is Eustachian tube dysfunction, specifically dysfunction of the tensor veli palatini muscle, which can also cause thumping/popping.

IF sounds trigger these, then another possibility is Hyperacusis.

A tube in the eardrum is mainly used if you have a blocked Eustachian tube and the middle ear is not getting aerated, so the tube solves this problem. What is strange is decongestants have helped you, so it "suggests" ETD (some kind of blockage), so it is confusing as to why the vent.tubes are not helping? Why not try decongestants again to see how you fare!

Just some thoughts for you...

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Old 03-25-2009, 08:57 PM   #9
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i have spasming muscles in and around my bad ear but that has something to do with the PLF. with this condition, i get a lot of involvement- like spasms, pain, stiffness etc.

for me, the hiccups, burps etc affect pressure and pressure changes cause a tiny hole in the oval window to open and leak out perilymph fluid. this fluid then hits the nerves in the ear and causes mixed signals in the vestibular system causing disorientation etc.

i'm not sure how the muscle pain is involved but it's been noted with a PLF before. i think some might have to do with CSF involvement and inter cranial pressure... plus i also hold my head in a guarded way and some of it might be from that.

it's just a guess but i'd say there might be something else going on besides muscle spasms. and the spasms are just are a result of whatever the main issue is.

has a dentist treated you for TMJ? do you have any other symptoms besides this?

Thanks for the reply...I have other small things going on like crackling sounds when I swallow and ringing in my ears but these I can live with. Its the thumping that does not let me sleep is whats slowly killing me. I am going to look into a TMJ specialist because I do have some tense jaw muscles and I clench my jaw at night.

 
Old 03-25-2009, 09:03 PM   #10
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Hello...do u notice anything that triggers the thumping/popping? Do sounds trigger this?

One possibility that goes under the radar when visiting ENTs is
1) Middle ear myoclonus (spasm of the tiny muscles in the middle ear)
2) Tensor tympani myoclonus
3) Stapedial myoclonus
These can cause thumping/popping in the ear, but not all ENTs know about it because it is rare.

Another possibility is Eustachian tube dysfunction, specifically dysfunction of the tensor veli palatini muscle, which can also cause thumping/popping.

IF sounds trigger these, then another possibility is Hyperacusis.

A tube in the eardrum is mainly used if you have a blocked Eustachian tube and the middle ear is not getting aerated, so the tube solves this problem. What is strange is decongestants have helped you, so it "suggests" ETD (some kind of blockage), so it is confusing as to why the vent.tubes are not helping? Why not try decongestants again to see how you fare!

Just some thoughts for you...
Thanks for the reply...I looked into all these possibilities before posting, but what really confuses me is that the only thing that helps is Sudafed. This is the reason I really thought the ear tube would have worked. I went off the sudafed for 3 days after the ear tube was put in and the thumping started again. I went back on sudafed and it helps for a while. But as soon as I yawn in the morning it starts. But here's the thing, without sudafed, if I yawn or burp causing pressure in the middle ear the thumping will go forever with short 45 second breaks sometimes, but when on sudafed it will start but go away.

 
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Re: Popping ears-can't take it anymore...

Unfortunately docs just know a limited amount and from my experience they don't seem to take these type of complaints too seriously.
I too have some strange stuff going on so I can sympathise with you.
I am more then sure if you can find a doc who is willing to stick with you and work with you, the actual problem can be figured out and a helpful treatment can give you relief.

TMJ specialist - I think the best person for the job would be a maxillo/facial surgeon and it is a proven fact that TMJ problems can cause Eustachian tube dysfunction.

GOOD LUCK with things.

 
Old 03-29-2009, 09:43 PM   #12
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Unfortunately docs just know a limited amount and from my experience they don't seem to take these type of complaints too seriously.
I too have some strange stuff going on so I can sympathise with you.
I am more then sure if you can find a doc who is willing to stick with you and work with you, the actual problem can be figured out and a helpful treatment can give you relief.

TMJ specialist - I think the best person for the job would be a maxillo/facial surgeon and it is a proven fact that TMJ problems can cause Eustachian tube dysfunction.

GOOD LUCK with things.
Thanks for the info...I'm going to see my dentist this week and I'll try to get referred to a TMJ specialist. I do have jaw pains from clenching when I sleep so you never know! I've also scheduled an appointment with another well known ENT here in Toronto. It'll probably be in a couple months(I find out Monday) because of how busy they are but I think it'll be worth the wait. This specialist can do inner ear surgery if needed. I'll keep you guys posted!

 
Old 04-09-2009, 12:44 PM   #13
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just an update--saw my dentist and found nothing wrong, went on muscle relaxers(over the counter) helps a little but did not get rid of the thumping. Now my ENT has perscribed an anti depressant called Amitriptyline. Anyone ever use this????

Thanks

 
Old 04-29-2009, 10:05 PM   #14
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Update:

I've been taking a muscle relaxant called Clonazepam (1mg at night) and the thumping in my ear is gone! I have to see a new specialist May 11 th and see what he has to say. The last ENT told me after he put in a tube there was nothing I can do about it and after alot of research I basically self-medicated myself. I went in and told my family doctor what I needed (Clonazepam) and it has worked. The first week I started with 0.5mg and it helped a bit but the thumping would happen off and on and the next week I upped the dose to 1mg and no more thumping. I'll keep everyone updated...when I slowly come off the muscle relaxers if this problem comes back I may need surgery. Hope this info helps others suffering the same way I did!

Thanks,

Mike

 
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Re: Popping ears-can't take it anymore...

After a thumping sound started in my ear yesterday, i checked out this forum. It was a lifesaver. One of the posts talked about it possibly being a muscle in the ear that is spasming. Since muscle spasms and cramps can be caused by magnesium deficiency, I took supplements and within the hour the thumping STOPPED! I am so grateful. For those of you who have dealt with this for a long time, I feel for you. One evening was making me feel nuts. I never do these forums, but I wanted to let you know what worked for me, so you could try it. I took two 400 mg magnesium tablets and I took a MegaFood (brand name) one daily. I am not prescribing, just sharing what worked. Hope it helps.

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