You can't tolerate anything touching your eye, but you wouldn't mind laser burning your cornea tissue?
PRK is probably painful then lasik, in terms of recovery, and more time is needed for your vision to settle. In the end laser still needs to ablate cornea, so you will still have same tratment as those with lasik, and with prk you are still in the risk of nightvision issues and other, you only eliminated flap complications.
People, there are lot of folks in this forum who had some issue or other on Lasik. You should listen to them. But there are lot of others like me who have had successful surgeries. You need to weigh that too.. It is a surreal feeling to wake up in the middle of the night and see the time on the clock without having to search for your glasses..It is also nice to see you spouses face at night while on the bed in the light of just the night lamp while your talking or doing something else ..I had no pain after surgery. My cousin had pain for two days.. I think it is worth it. Think about it..Everything including the OTC ibuprofen has a risk.. Is it worth taking it should be your own decision and not influenced by anyone..
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i had lasik and I am a Doctor , for me it has been a disaster , pains dry eyes poor vision , the surgeons do not know a lot of the complications either , check up the american academy of ophthalmology guidelines on consent they are good place to start
People, there are lot of folks in this forum who had some issue or other on Lasik. You should listen to them. But there are lot of others like me who have had successful surgeries. You need to weigh that too.. It is a surreal feeling to wake up in the middle of the night and see the time on the clock without having to search for your glasses..It is also nice to see you spouses face at night while on the bed in the light of just the night lamp while your talking or doing something else ..I had no pain after surgery. My cousin had pain for two days.. I think it is worth it. Think about it..Everything including the OTC ibuprofen has a risk.. Is it worth taking it should be your own decision and not influenced by anyone..
Risking on sensatory organ such as eyes is something completeley different. And ok there are risks, but risks with what, flap complication? The bizzare thing abut this procedure is, you can end up seeing so badly then before, even though on paper and on machins scaning your eyes telling you procedure is done right. That is the problem with me. So you end up with failed procedure, but in eyes of surgeon or lasik clinics it is success. So people should not be taking a risk in medical procedure where nobody adresses this problems.
i had lasik and I am a Doctor , for me it has been a disaster , pains dry eyes poor vision , the surgeons do not know a lot of the complications either , check up the american academy of ophthalmology guidelines on consent they are good place to start
You are a doctor of what? Lasik surgeons do not know about complications? How are they lasik surgeons then, I belive they know, but don't care. And probably know of peopel ending up badly no matter how perfect the procedure is in the end. I wonder what motivates somebody to be a surgeon in this area where there is no solution for these complications, and no reason to have them, money? Really? Then I admire the greed of these people and ahving cojones to touch and cut other peoples eyes knowing they can't do nothing about problems after. That is one completely new kind of "doctors".
You are a doctor of what? Lasik surgeons do not know about complications? How are they lasik surgeons then, I belive they know, but don't care. And probably know of peopel ending up badly no matter how perfect the procedure is in the end. I wonder what motivates somebody to be a surgeon in this area where there is no solution for these complications, and no reason to have them, money? Really? Then I admire the greed of these people and ahving cojones to touch and cut other peoples eyes knowing they can't do nothing about problems after. That is one completely new kind of "doctors".
Part of the problem is that it does seem very commercial, even mercenary - and from what I've seen of UK law, the previous poster is technically qualified to be a "lasik surgeon" - without any relevant training beyond being "a doctor". One of the other boards had a patient quite worried who then discovered the "lasik surgeon" who operated on his eyes did it as a sideline to her Botox and cosmetic business!
I'd like to think the vast majority of doctors are honest enough not to sink to that level, of course, and the one who did my LASIK last week is genuinely an ophthalmic specialist who has apparently done many such operations before, and he got his MBCHB from the teaching hospital I'm doing research at myself, which is probably a good sign. (My research is, ironically, in compensating for image distortion in surgery - on endoscopes, rather than eyeballs. Rather more room for trial and error there...)
I realize my reply is long after the original post, but as a new forum member, I gotta say that LASIK was the best thing I ever did. I only wish I had done it sooner. I was a -7.0 and -7.5 and had worn glasses or contacts since age eight.
I had LASIK done in March 2001. They warned me that my vision might start to decrease in my forties. Here I am, 11 years post-LASIK and in my late forties, and yes, I am starting to have a little trouble with distances. I also am a little more sensitive to bright light than I was pre-LASIK.
ANY surgery comes with risks, and you can always have one eye done at a time if you're truly afraid. I would guess that the risks now are substantially lower than they were in 2001 when I had it done. I say go for it. And enjoy that first morning when you wake up and can actually see without reaching for the glasses.
Never JUST GO FOR IT on serious medical procedure like this.
You will get normal or worse results. Simple as that, no surgeon no laser can prevent you from ending up with smudgy vaseline vision.
But ofcourse you can go for it and gamble, but just remember it i the biggest gamble in your life with your psyche, eye vision stability and all your life. Bad result can impact your life, as life of your loved ones around you.
And you obvusly don't understand all complicatins we are discussing here. Why should somebody belive you that you have normal or perfect vision? MAybe it is normal to you, it wouldnt be to somebody else. Vision is subjective. I'm not saying yu ain't seeing crystal clear, just i alrady talked to some people who brag about their lasik on forums or facebook and also saying just go for it. Well some of them see halos, glare, ghosting, blurry low light vision, or you can say they ended up with some loss of quality of vision, but they are actually saying all is perfect when talking about procedure or advising people to go for it.
Oh how I wish to reach for glasses again, but no glasses can correct my problems now.
Oh and, it's not me saying it is really a gamble and you can nt know the outcome, even FDA distanced themselves with that that no matter the surgeon or laser you can end u with bad really bad vision. And they are the ones who approved it.
Since I was 10 I have needed glasses. I wore them and hated them. We were too poor, when I was a teenager to wear contacts, so I had to wear thick glasses in high school. I hated it so I would take them off and squint until I could see. I despised wearing glasses with a passion!
When I got a job I paid for my contacts, loved the contacts. As I got older I was getting tired of the contacts. I love being in the water and hated that when I would come out of the pool, I had to fix my contacts most of the time. That's when I started reseaching lasik. My job offers a flexible spending account that would help pay for it in small payments. I went to a seminar and the doctor answered all my questions and then some. My one main question was, "could I get blind". She as well as her staff said there were complications that can happen but that was rare. that was my only fear.
My two main research was google & my coworkers, who both had it done back in the early 2000s. It has been 13 years for my supervisor and 12 for my coworker. They both can still see, my supervisor is older and now needs glasses but are thin. My coworker sees fine and he is okay.
I went and had lasik last week! For me, it's the best thing ever. I figured even if I need to wear glasses in 10 years, I will be able to swim, play softball, football, drive without any contacts OR glasses for atleast 10 years. If I could do it again, I would! I did all this with a scar in my eye. I got the scar from my contacts back in the day. The only thing I have like everyone else is the starburst lights at night. I have even asked my coworkers if they had starbursts or halos and they did and they no longer have it. Also I made both coworkers rub their eyes very hard to see if in fact they could and they did.
Like someone else said, I'm afraid that I will poke something in my eye and the flap would open. I also made my coworker touch their eyeball.
Like others said, it's your decision!!!! In my opinion if you really hate glasses like I did, I would do it! I mean you only live once right?
WAit you are saying you see starburst and all effects at night? How long ago was your surgery, don't you understand that is omething considere a side effects, something not normal for your eye to see? And if you see starbursts at night, you must have some loss of acuity of vision, cuse if starbursts are formng getting bigger or smaller, that means some untreted light is passing into your eye, while with glasses, all corrected light passed thourgh lens and yu didn't see starbursts and acuity was preserved. Its upto you if you dont mind loss of vision quality, not everbody is the sme as you about their sight, or can trade glasses for problematic vision. I don't know how muc of your side effects are, but this just proves that many people even those with bad and big starburst etc are telling others they are hapyp and reccomendng procedure. Not being completely honest, and if this doesn't impact you, there are people wh can not stand that, and how blurring of image ok for trading wearing of glsse. Sorry I have big starburst, not some minor thing, something that really impacts my ability to drive in low light, move in low light, make myself dinner under a lightbulb etc. I notice these things because I understand what it is, i do not think this is normal vision nor that it doesnt affect me, it affects my ability to live normally like before, not something i search to see, its just there. I notice that, i must admire if somebody has the same problem as me, and says its ok, i must doubt in sanity of that person, it's liek wearing dried out lens with vaseline over it, nothing is sharp as before, I want sharpness as before, i only get sharpness when i put alphagan drops which work to unutarually shrink my pupils.
It is our decsion, based on false advertising, false doctors who tell otherwise and flase "satisifed" patients who dont tell to people how they really see. Yes its completely our chocie, go se hindsight 20/20 abc whatever, they recorded doctors with fake patient going asking them will nightvision disturbances go away, everyone tells it will go away. People naturally belive their doctor, it is NOT TRUE, this problem is not solved, people still end up with problems, it does not go away. How is it ur and my fault if reakn doctors tell you therwise, then only smart thing is dont trust anybody dont do it, cause evenDOCTORS are lying about it, not telling complete reality. How can you defend such lying to patient before going to a serious life altering procedure? Sure we only live once, then we should take care of our eyes, love them the way they are, make them our preciouses right? Only oe life one chance, why risk that chance for screwing something up? In the end it is a procedure which cuts yur healthy cornea and leaves yu with weakened cornea and flap for the rest of your life, no matter if you see perfectly, still you have something from it, and still things can go bad. It would be better for me too see this that way, one life, don't screw with your vision, we have glasses and contacs, dont be naive, one LIFe one pair of eyes. Taking risk with this is the biggest risk everyone took everyone, because it i unnecesary risk and procedure, we are all naive, and don't appreciate or eyes, we were not blind, we could see with other things, we wanted natural normal vision with unutural procedure which makes a cut in your strong and healthy cornea. Sorry but I think i am crazy for doing this, moment of weakness we could call it, trusting to people, I know i should have listened to my gut, dont trust to people, don trust to dctors who do this for huge amounts of money, all is there, pokng us in the eye, all complicatins and everything, and yet i've done it. Sorry, but i consider normal NORMAL vision withut any loss of acuity, any starvburst and glare and halo ghosting etc, sorry but that s normal vision, this what you have is lasik vision. And ok, you are happy with that, I am not, as many other here. As you can see people post here wondering why d they see bad at low light than before, too much of that kind of postst right? Who knows how many peopel dont talk or post anything about that.
Reality is: THIS PROCEDURE STILL HAS PROBLEMS LIKE 20 YEARS AGO, NO MATTER WHERE NO MATTER IF JESUS COMES AND OPERATES YOU, THERE ARE CHANCES THAT YOU WILL LOSE QUALITY OF VISION. Nothing is solved, they keep on doing it, falsely advertising it, i dont know why is this called eye corrective surgery? When t doesn not correct everything rght, only one part of vision is successful at. Money makes this surgery stay, some collaterall damaged patients are acceptable, its like if 90% people are satisfied its ok, keep it going. It doesnt matter if all 90% got normal and perfect vision, it just matters that they are satisfied, while others are destroyed. And there is no correction, the sickest thing you would think, well if they leave some small prescription i will wear some glasses now and there, nooo, no glasses help anymore, your eyes are changed with problems that no glasses can correct, how is that normal?
I cant drive a tlow light, sure i can swim at sunlight at day, but indors my vision is far worse than before, so what to do, sleep, can't even watch a movie normally? And what, i m considered succes and they say everything is ok. See how crazy this is, when you are in freakin limbo of nobody knowing how what where.
So don't tell its your decision, some part of it is, but some part is all nonsense of normal or perfect visin after it, or docotr telling you falsely on your questions. In the end it is our decision, but with huge influence of marketing and other people, and wanting to see, it is not a decisin, it is moment of weakness to see. I am ashamed of myself for falling for it, i thought i was smart enough. It doesnt matter if everything is supe for you, maybe if you reccomend this to some family member or friend, and they end up bad, how will yu feel, will you tell them it was you decision not my fault lalalal? The problem is even one person damaged by this procedue in the world, is enoguh to question it, especially if everythng went fine with procedure. Are people still experimental bunnies for FDA in this, they seem to conduct their research for wuite long time now. If a procedure fails without reason, has limits, than abandon it, why risk people eyes, develop safer procedure with eliminated crazy risks liek in ths one? No, money money is huge here. Oh probably this risk will never be eliminated, eye is mazin organ, complex, light pases though it that lets us see, when you cut the window and laser it where the light passes, how can we expect it will pass correctly like before thought natural unotuched cornea?
Although several LASIK-related suicides and countless cases of LASIK-related depression have been documented, the LASIK industry has repeatedly denied any link between LASIK complications and depression or suicide. But wait! What did Lt. Cmdr. John B. Cason, M.D. say to a group of his peers in January, 2012? Some patients are so uncomfortable and so despondent over failed treatments that they become suicidal. As one patient Dr. Cason had in fellowship said, "I want my eyes taken out or I want to die."
2/15/2012 - LASIK pioneer drops "bombshell" against LASIK, will no longer perform the procedure because it violates his medical ethics.
tell me how is ths normal, so much about this procedure, how is a procedure still going on if there are suicied because of it, destroyed vision. Isn't it enough? Why do they risk more eyes? I know money, but not everyone can be that corrupt or can they?
I also was reading all that long time ago before my lasik, but i always thoguth not everyone gets problems, all is fine today, no you telling me having straburst says otherwise. you are happy yet wit a side effec, sorry, but they shudl tell their patient, glare halo starurst ghostin is the most common side effect after lasik, not 1% but most common, and than you can decide if you want it.
The only starbursts I see are the car lights at night. And that's not all cars either. I am fine with street lights and indoor lights and even the sun.
Both coworkers of mine who did theirs with blade surgery, said their's went away. It seems like it's different for everyone. Some heal faster than others. I had my surgery last week, last Thursday!
My eyes were very sensitive to light. I could not drive without sunglasses and even on some rainy days I still wore my sunglasses. I will let you know if they still are after a month from now.
It's not about healing, your eyes heal quickly after this procedure, i mean i have nothing to heal anymore. To me it seems either surgeons fault, or just laser limit. Something is badly corrected or could not be corrected as precisely as for soem ideal patients, if there are IDEAL patients in this. hy do I see clearer with smaller pupils at night with infulence of drops, but whe pupils go back to natural size i see very bad? Like that area is not correcetd right. Laser deal less energy on outer area, but if it cannot do its job right, why do it then. Are they so crazy to think i would get used to a vision in which cant NORMALLY function? understand some halo or starburst efect drugin night or daylight, although that s also why? it should not be there, but it doesn't impact you if it is just contant, it desnt depend on your pupils size.
Its hard to explan it without pictures here.
Nevermind, I am also suicidal now, and feeling sick of my eyes.
Although several LASIK-related suicides and countless cases of LASIK-related depression have been documented, the LASIK industry has repeatedly denied any link between LASIK complications and depression or suicide. But wait! What did Lt. Cmdr. John B. Cason, M.D. say to a group of his peers in January, 2012? Some patients are so uncomfortable and so despondent over failed treatments that they become suicidal. As one patient Dr. Cason had in fellowship said, "I want my eyes taken out or I want to die."
2/15/2012 - LASIK pioneer drops "bombshell" against LASIK, will no longer perform the procedure because it violates his medical ethics.
tell me how is ths normal, so much about this procedure, how is a procedure still going on if there are suicied because of it, destroyed vision. Isn't it enough? Why do they risk more eyes? I know money, but not everyone can be that corrupt or can they?
While I do believe that this has happen, you must remember that women and men in the military see a lot of things and it has been proven that they experience so much that at times, unfortunately, go crazy.
It's sad and a shame this happened to these young men & women. While this guy proved that lasik did not work for him, my coworkers both prove that they can still see after 13 years. It's all different for people! You can only tell them your opinion and expeirence and it would be up to them to decide. Whether their experience is great or bad!
But don't you think eyes should be valued more, since lasik came, people don't love their eyes anymore. People are afraid of anything going near their eyes with natural reflexes, some cant put contacts in, but wanna do lasik? Permanently weakening cornea and cuting it. I mean there are still far worse complicatins much worse like ectasia, but ofcourse if nightvision issues are big, that is almost as being half blind, you are just seeing soo poorly in some parts of ay, i woudl say many parts.
What? I belive soldiers are damaged by lasik, liek some pilots, they cant function anymore, especially soldier and pilot who need perfect vision, in all conditions, especially dark one.
Nope, i am feelign that way, too, i am not a soldier, i seriously say that if i could i woudl take them out, one guy said if his arm was ddetroyed liek eyes after lasik, he would cut it off. Without one arm human can still live much better quality than with destroyed adn impacted vision which no glasses can correct. That is the issues here, non correctable.
It s different yes, some people are ok, some less, some with screwed up vision and livs. But how come screwed up people can not impact this procedure, for stoping it, for researchng it more. Seems liek they research it as they do it, i mean like thy wanna make money while they can, if somethign better comes, well tough luck you already did it.
That is so crazy to me, its a procedure on eyes, and people report bad vision after it, isnt it enough to say something is wrong? How can we accept that its okay for some people t have bad visin afer and some ok? It shoudl be, everybody shoudl have ok vision after, it is corective eye surgery, the point is to correct the vision not worsen it, and if it has flaws, and to some people t worsens it, than it is a procedure to be stopped and back into research lab until they come with solutions rght?
You don't get with glasses or contacts that some peopel see with glasse, thers don't everybody ses with glasses. But after lasik, its a big gamble, whic is lowere with flase advertising etc.
That i can not understand for money eyes are no longer considere precious organs, everboy s pretty much wlingly wanting to go under a knife. I mean we see FDA guy now speakng out about problems and FDa not researching or takng side effects seriously, yu se that is real, that is happening. How to belive anyone anymore, why would anyone wana go to surgery after all that comes out, if FDA cares about pepoels health, they would stop it, if people have commited suicide, or reported bad vision, then surgery is a failure. Eye is to precious to go like oh hel if you go get srugery on a finger and you lose a finger, well its the same as losing a vision, it is a surgery.
I am just saying, we are considering nvasive procedure so lightly, and it i still going, no matter if wxler comes out telling he would not reccomedn anyone getting this surgery. How crazy is that exFDA guy who was in approval of thsi procedure, now would not reccomend it to anyone? What hw what? When enoguh people are detroyed than you come out, and it's still going on, so how many people need to be damaged to say, stp, we made a mistake. Never i guess, ratio of satisfied is bigger than failed, and clinics got their money from satisfied patient and the ones whose visin is destroyed.
Reality is, this procedure is life or death situation. 50-50, no 1% no 20% it is 50-50, it either goes right or goes wrong. impacted vision with effects and ghosting is not normal healthy vision. It's a tradeoff for glasses. And it is life or death, it can either up your quality of life, or completely destroy it, it can even kill you, depending on what kind of person you are. If you are sensitive about your sight, and can't do thing you loved to do before, yes without therapy and medication it can kill you. It's liek going to a heart surgery, only differenc is, if you are going to heart surery you are probably dying and you need i, there is no choice, you die without it or during it. Here you only put yourself at risk, nothng more. mean not only risk, you actualy make a flap in your cornea forver, something that wasnt there, now it is, so poke, hard rubing or whatever can dislodge the flap. Its a surgery with never healing flap. That is enogh crazy to scare people away, just that part.
Yes, but if yu research internet and clinics enoguh, you can even found advrtsing as doctors stating that lasik is safer than contacts. Now that is crazy. Sure its a word play, like mcdonalds selling you new burger. It is safer in terms of infection, once you do lasik, you don't have t poke something n your eyes there fore safer than a contact, but only about infection part. But see here, sure contacts are a risk, but contacts are not ireversible surgery. And risk of contacts is probbly really really low, it depends on a user of it. Ofcourse there is infection involved if you do not do strict hygene of them, and do not follow all the rules.
I am curious, how did you get a scar because of contacts, were those some hard contacts, not soft. Reason because of scar? Infection or? Does that scar impact your vision?
Well if you dont feel like your eyesight is bad after lasik now, then it probably won't be bad for years to come, probably right. The thing is, its simple, you can notice bad visual acuity in low light, indoors, depending how much. To me its bothersome, to rgreteyes its bothersome, the thing is i can't watch tv normally like before. And if I cant watch tv comfortably and clear as before, such simple task, then something is bviously wrong, in much higher percentage. And if they can't measure my eye error in other clinic now, than that only cements it as somethng is really really bad. The thing is, fr you to go to procedure, aberrometer machine must be able to measure your eyes, and make a map of your eyes. I don't know, the other doctor todl me, its rare, but some people before procedure can not be taken measure, too much error, which means after it, it will be doubled. I don't know how then the clinic where i ws operated at ould measure it before, and as they sa can measure it after. Now that is too strange isnt it. Maybe i already had some errors, and was at bigger risk. Maybe not, maybe procedure elevetaed and induced all errors. It's crazy. I never thought i could nd up lie this, i was so nervous not knowing shoudl i do it or not, but i was so opsitiv it will all be alright, i trust these people.
You had every right to trust these people, we depend on doctors. They are suppose to be here for us.
I am not sure how exactly I got the scar. It was years ago in my 20s. She def said it was because of the contacts. It's grew a little but it seem to stop, it's right near my pupil. I used to wear soft contacts. Never hard!
..I had no pain after surgery. My cousin had pain for two days.. I think it is worth it. Think about it..Everything including the OTC ibuprofen has a risk.. Is it worth taking it should be your own decision and not influenced by anyone..
, pains dry eyes poor vision , the surgeons do not know a lot of the complications either , check up the american academy of ophthalmology guidelines on consent they are good place to start
