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Old 12-03-2008, 09:49 AM   #1
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Need Advice - student now in 9th grade - this is long

Need Advise? HELP Student now in 9th Grade - this is long!

I am looking for any advice I can get in regards to having my son tested again. I ‘m afraid he is falling through the cracks!

Since Kindergarten my son has had difficultly with writing, reading and spelling. He has always struggled with hours and hours of homework, Tutors year around until last year. He is a very hard worker, and wants to achieve and feel good about himself. I would like to note that he has no discipline problems. It is all academic. He does talk about goals to attend college and has stressed that his writing and reading difficulties might hinder that goal.

In 4th Grade he was tested, and giving building level services for reading and writing(academic intervention services). He was given a one on one resource teacher to help him for the entire year of 5th grade. He also attended Summer school- I was told “ he has a unique way of writing” that was the report after 5 weeks of 9-`12 M-F.

In sixth grade my son was tested,(per my request) by the school and privately (which the school didn’t take into consideration quick look, at the committee meeting was told it was too much to go over). The Committee meeting was a nightmare for me and my husband. We felt like we let our son down for not knowing the correct things to say and ask. I will provide his testing results at the end. Again, he was given building level services for reading and writing(academic intervention services) with the focus on writing.

Currently, he is in ninth grade- very frustrated with all of the reading and writing assignments - works hours on them with extra after-school help and the essay’s comes back: unacceptable,.” His grammar, sentence structure, his lack of confidence with his spelling., his decoding-fluency issues make it very difficult (any books that I can find - I purchase through Itunes for his IPOD.). He is not organized. He takes him hours to express his thoughts in a written format.
His report card is good, 70-80's, Typing a 65 Couldn’t keep up, received eight “zero’s” , quit Spanish- had a hard time ..teacher indicated that he would have trouble in HS because the class will go two times as fast. He is a good athlete- baeball , golf . Social Life is just ok, Has friends but doesn’t have a friend.

At a teacher meeting in October, his entire team was present (except for typing), Math and Science isn’t a problem -Science is more hands on , visual - all notes are on the board.
English, History indicated he works hard, is showing improvement but is struggling. English Lab teacher- Ask the team, How is this child going to take and understand an SAT or English Regents? It was mention that maybe he should be re-tested.

I will prepare the letter to the school and indicate that I still have concerns about his educational difficulties in reading, writing and spelling, his ability to stay focused along with getting organized. My son is frustrated and his self esteem has been effected.

I would also like to note that his older sister has a learning disability .

Any advice will be greatly appreciated, I feel my son is following the same path as I did, always struggling with reading and writing . I don’t want him to have the same horrible school experiences. He wants to be able to write and read comfortable.



The 6th Grade test results are as follows:
WISC IV Towel III
similarities 75 Voca 9/37
voc 50 Spelling 8/25
comprehension 25 Style 7/16
information 9 Logical sentences 7/16
block design 75 Sentence combining 12/75
picture concepts 84 Contextual conventions 10/50
matrix reasoning 84 Contextual language 8/25
picture completion 63 Story construction 11/53
working memory 63
coding 50
symbol search 84 WCJIII
cancellation 50 Letter word identification 8/25
Passage comprehension 30
verbal comprehension index 47/99
perceptual reasoning index 87/117 Word attack 35%
working memory index 61/104 Reading fluency 31%
processing speed index 73/109 Reading voc 78%
full scale IQ 73/109 Wjcog ii visual auditory learning 18
Gfb one syl short vowel single 94
concepts & folling directions 12/75 One syl short vowel w/cons somb 90
recalling sentences 7/16 One syl words with soft c&g 47
formulated sentences 11/63 One syl long vowel words w/mag 100
work classes 2 recept 10/50 R controlled words 100
work classes 2 expressive 9/37 Tow syl words phonetically 60
word classes total 9/37 Multi syllable words with reg suffixes 32
word definitions 10/50 Three syllable words 15
understanding spoken paragraph 9/37
number repetition forward 6/9 Sr 12 Passage comp level 3,4,5 9%
number repetition backward 10/50 Wiat ii read comp 12%
number repetition total 8/25 Ctopp phonological aware 16
familiar sequences 6/9 Elision 25
Blending 16
core language score 45% Phonological memory 50
receptive language index 63% Memory digits 50
expressive language 37% Nonword repet 50
language content 39% Alternate phonology 42
language memory 47% Blending no words 50
working memory 13% Segmenting no words 37




Your thoughts are so appreciated...

 
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:01 AM   #2
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I have to ask if your son has been specifically tested for dyslexia?? If not, please get him to a psychologist who can test him for it. You might be suprised at what you find out.

I wish you and your son the best of luck. I've been fighting with the school system for years- literally. I even paid for private testing, and then testing again with a true, well known specialist through the student success center- Dr. Mel Levine. Look him up if you can because it was worth the investment for my son.

I'm so sorry to hear about yet another promising young person falling through the cracks!

 
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Thank you ...
..today, he came home upset --because he failed a history test, it was an open "notebook" test. It is all based on the notes you should have taken in class. My son doesn't have notes...just can't do it.

 
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MeMaNy-
I know how bad it hurts to see your child struggle. My son is in 9th grade as well, and again, I have been fighting with the school system since he was in third grade to make sure accomodations are made to put him on a "level playing field" as far as school goes.

Is your son mechanically inclined? I have to ask this because it sounds like he has the same kind of problems my son had & still has to deal with when it comes to schoolwork.

Has your son been specifically tested for dyslexia? If not, I urge you to get him tested for it. It may make a huge difference in the accomodations he needs to do better in school.

My heart truly goes out to you and your son. I can only tell you not to stop fighting for your son. He needs you and even though it's exhausting, there is help for him- you just have to keep doing whatever you have to do to get that help for him. Please look in to Dr. Levine. He could be the answer to your prayers.

 
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Ozzybug
No ,my son hasn't been specifically tested for dyslexia? I prepared a letter for the school to do testing...I was going to include certain tests to be used. I hope that the school will do the right thing.... Do you know the names of tests that I could request for dyslexia ?

My son is very athletic, he plays baseball, and golf. On weekends I encourage him to invite his friends over for touch football and xbox360 games.

Has your son been privately tested? Can you briefly explain the procedure, if you have time...
thanks

 
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Hey MeMaNy-
Sorry it took a couple days to get back to you. I was busy with Christmas stuff & family things all weekend and didn't get to my computer once.

I paid out-of-pocket for private testing with a psychologist for the first test and then again with Dr. Levine. I just called the office and made an appointment.

At the first appointment I let the doctor know that my son was struggling, showed him some of my son's schoolwork & grades, then told him I feel my son may be dyslexic. I requested testing. They made an appointment for later in the week, and that was it. The testing with the psychologist took several hours.

The testing with Dr. Levine took all day. With him, I called the center and they instructed me as to how to get scheduled for testing. I have to say, the testing was thorough with Dr. L. I was able to watch the entire process because they had a camera in the testing rooms. I watched from a different area on a t.v. They gave my son breaks throughout the testing and he was able to come sit with me and then we had like 1 1/2 hours for a lunch as well.

Paying for both tests was well worth the investment because it showed me the areas my son struggles with most, it gave me ideas and help with accomodations at school and home. I had copies made so the school could have them as well.

The actual test results with Dr. Levine were well over 20 pages and there was a specific section that was for the school personnel. It gave them suggestions as to what accomodations they can employ at school to help with my son. I highly recommend testing with Dr. L if there is any way at all you can make it happen. His testing is extremely thorough and he specializes in kids with learning differences. This is his specialty and he is highly regarded in this field.

If you are able to have him tested privately, my opinion is that it's a much more thorough testing process that yeilds some very powerful information. If you son tests and is diagnosed as dyslexic, I highly recommend you research this learing difference and read as many books about it as you can. Many/most people think it only causes people to write numbers & letters backwards, but it is so, SO much more involved. I learned so much that even I didn't know about it.

Best of luck, and please keep me posted!

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I will keep you posted and will look into private testing...have a nice holiday.

 
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I'm sending positive thoughts for you and your son. Again, it breaks my heart to think about our children having to fight so hard to try and do well in school. It's awful to watch them struggle so hard and then bring home poor grades.

My son once even told me that he was stupid. I cried for hours. He isn't stupid, as a matter of fact, the tests that the psychologist & Dr. Levine did show that he is really very intelligent. Unfortunately due to his dyslexia, it wasn't showing in his schoolwork because the teachers didn't know how to make accomodations for him.

I have had to educate the shools/teachers/staff about dyslexia and even purchased a book to lend to his teachers about it. The sad part is that only ONE teacher was interested in reading it. How sad is that? These teachers know little to nothing about this learning difference and claim they want to do all they can to help, but when I offered them something to help them understand, they back-pedal!!

At one point, I looked into home-schooling, but it just wasn't something we chose to do.

I can tell you that even though I have to fight tooth & nail with the schools every year, my son's grades have improved since we had him privately tested with both the psychologist & Dr. Levine. The test results from Dr. L alone gave the school information & suggestions that have helped my son- that is as long as I stay on top of the school to follow the accomodations & his Form 504.

Sorry to go on like I did, but I just want you to know I understand what you and your son are going through and also want you to know that there is hope. Even if everyone else gives up on him, I know you never will give up on your son. He deserves to do well and feel good about himself.

Take Care!

 
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Ozzybug...I appreciate all of the strenght you have given me thru your emails. I will never given up on my son, I have a daughter who is learning disab and 10 years ago(when she was in 4th Gr)...I had to fight for her. She is now in a University in Florida with a 3.8 gpa...our family is SO proud of her.
I will keep you posted...I wish you and your family a happy holiday.
I will be away for two weeks but..I will keep you informed...thanks so much

 
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HI

This sound so much like my son and I also have 2 daughters with learning disabilities, To have the word knowlege to go to these meetings and to know what to request, would make things much easier. I am in the process of having my son's school test him again, they just don't seem to be able to get through to him with his reading. His other subjects are ok science is his best. Math is begining to be a struggle for him also but I think it is partly because he is discouraged as we are. He is in the fifth grade and reading at grade one possible two. I have found a place here that will work with him cost free but there is a year waiting list after the recieve school test results that are less than two years old. I am hoping to have him enrolled by Feb. 1st

 
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Heard from the school today...waiting to review test results...I will keep you posted.

 
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Thanks for touching base & updating us. I hope that they will be able to come up with something concrete to help your son excel in school!! Fingers crossed.

 
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Ozzybug...If you have time to review the results below, I would appreciate it so much...interested in your thoughts.
Standard Score Percentile
WIAT II
Reading
Word reading 79 8
Reading Comprehension 100 50
Pseudoword Decoding 85 16
reading composite 265 16
Mathematics
Numerical Operations 96 39
Math Reasoning 99 47
math composite 195 39
Writtten Language
Spelling 83 13
written expression 94 34
written language composite 177 19
Oral expression
Listening comprehension 91 27
Oral Expression 112 79
Oral expression Composite 203 53


Celf4 Scaled Score PR
recalling sentences 10 50
formulated sentences 13 84
word classes 2 receptive 12 75
word classes 2 expressive 12 75
word classes 2 total 12 75
word definitions 10 50
understanding spoken paragraphs 11 63

sentence assembly 13 84
semantic relationships 12 75

core language score 108 70
receptive language index 109 73
expressive language index 110 75
language content index 108 70
language memory index 110 75
working memory 83 13 (the speech pathologist left this off !)

Taps 3
word discrimination 9 37
phonological segmentation 14 91
phonological blending 7 16
number memory forward 7 16
number memory reversed 11 63
word memory 9 37
sentence memory 11 63
auditory comprehension 13 84
auditiory reasoning 11 63
overall 99 47
phonologic 100 50
memory 93 32
cohesion 110 75
The speech pathologist indicated several times in his report that my son's attention was impaired during
the previous session due to testing fatigue or environmental distractions , and the reason he didn't do well (where he got the 7's) was because the subtest was given at the end of the day and a lot of distractions were present...
WISC-IV scale score composite score percentile rank
verbal comprehension 32 102 55
perceptual reasoning 37 115 84
working memory 21 102 55
processing speed 24 112 79
full scale 114 110 75

 
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Ozzybug...I attended a meeting today ...some of these scores are incorrect.
Core language to the working memory are incorrect...waiting for amended copy...the speech pathologist gave me a another students...

that is why cut/paste shouldn't be allowed.

 
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I am looking for any advice I can get in regards to having my son tested again. I ‘m afraid he is falling through the cracks!

Since Kindergarten my son has had difficultly with writing, reading and spelling. He has always struggled with hours and hours of homework, Tutors year around until last year. He is a very hard worker, and wants to achieve and feel good about himself. I would like to note that he has no discipline problems. It is all academic. He does talk about goals to attend college and has stressed that his writing and reading difficulties might hinder that goal.

In 4th Grade he was tested, and giving building level services for reading and writing(academic intervention services). He was given a one on one resource teacher to help him for the entire year of 5th grade. He also attended Summer school- I was told “ he has a unique way of writing” that was the report after 5 weeks of 9-`12 M-F.

In sixth grade my son was tested,(per my request) by the school and privately (which the school didn’t take into consideration quick look, at the committee meeting was told it was too much to go over). The Committee meeting was a nightmare for me and my husband. We felt like we let our son down for not knowing the correct things to say and ask. I will provide his testing results at the end. Again, he was given building level services for reading and writing(academic intervention services) with the focus on writing.

Currently, he is in ninth grade- very frustrated with all of the reading and writing assignments - works hours on them with extra after-school help and the essay’s comes back: unacceptable,.” His grammar, sentence structure, his lack of confidence with his spelling., his decoding-fluency issues make it very difficult (any books that I can find - I purchase through Itunes for his IPOD.). He is not organized. He takes him hours to express his thoughts in a written format.
His report card is good, 70-80's, Typing a 65 Couldn’t keep up, received eight “zero’s” , quit Spanish- had a hard time ..teacher indicated that he would have trouble in HS because the class will go two times as fast. He is a good athlete- baeball , golf . Social Life is just ok, Has friends but doesn’t have a friend.

At a teacher meeting in October, his entire team was present (except for typing), Math and Science isn’t a problem -Science is more hands on , visual - all notes are on the board.
English, History indicated he works hard, is showing improvement but is struggling. English Lab teacher- Ask the team, How is this child going to take and understand an SAT or English Regents? It was mention that maybe he should be re-tested.

I will prepare the letter to the school and indicate that I still have concerns about his educational difficulties in reading, writing and spelling, his ability to stay focused along with getting organized. My son is frustrated and his self esteem has been effected.

I would also like to note that his older sister has a learning disability .

Any advice will be greatly appreciated, I feel my son is following the same path as I did, always struggling with reading and writing . I don’t want him to have the same horrible school experiences. He wants to be able to write and read comfortable.



The 6th Grade test results are as follows:
WISC IV Towel III
similarities 75 Voca 9/37
voc 50 Spelling 8/25
comprehension 25 Style 7/16
information 9 Logical sentences 7/16
block design 75 Sentence combining 12/75
picture concepts 84 Contextual conventions 10/50
matrix reasoning 84 Contextual language 8/25
picture completion 63 Story construction 11/53
working memory 63
coding 50
symbol search 84 WCJIII
cancellation 50 Letter word identification 8/25
Passage comprehension 30
verbal comprehension index 47/99
perceptual reasoning index 87/117 Word attack 35%
working memory index 61/104 Reading fluency 31%
processing speed index 73/109 Reading voc 78%
full scale IQ 73/109 Wjcog ii visual auditory learning 18
Gfb one syl short vowel single 94
concepts & folling directions 12/75 One syl short vowel w/cons somb 90
recalling sentences 7/16 One syl words with soft c&g 47
formulated sentences 11/63 One syl long vowel words w/mag 100
work classes 2 recept 10/50 R controlled words 100
work classes 2 expressive 9/37 Tow syl words phonetically 60
word classes total 9/37 Multi syllable words with reg suffixes 32
word definitions 10/50 Three syllable words 15
understanding spoken paragraph 9/37
number repetition forward 6/9 Sr 12 Passage comp level 3,4,5 9%
number repetition backward 10/50 Wiat ii read comp 12%
number repetition total 8/25 Ctopp phonological aware 16
familiar sequences 6/9 Elision 25
Blending 16
core language score 45% Phonological memory 50
receptive language index 63% Memory digits 50
expressive language 37% Nonword repet 50
language content 39% Alternate phonology 42
language memory 47% Blending no words 50
working memory 13% Segmenting no words 37




Your thoughts are so appreciated...
Hi was on here doing some research on other stuff and came across this board.I don't know if this will help but my son also has lots of learning problems and can't hardly write,spell and has problems reading,he has dyslexiaalong with other problems and has struggled for so many years.That was til last year,then we changed schools and hit the best teaching staff ever if you ask me.This is what they do for my son(who is in grade 11 now)He has an aid in the class that just sits and takes notes while my son listens,then when the teacher is done the lecture part of the class my son gets up and goes to a resourse room that he has his own desk with a computer.At the computer he takes all the teacher notes,books etc and scans them.On his computer he has a program that reads everything that he scans and reads it to him.He wears a head set and just sits and listens to whatever he is needing.He now loves novels and history .His program also has a mic that they can put class questions in and he can verbally answer the questions,although alot of times they just do it orally.He also does all his papers like this ,He just speaks and the computer will type it for him.I do not think this system was cheap for the school but what a god send!!I never ever thought that my son would actually enjoy school and although he tieds not to show it lol he now feels not like he is stupid.Recently he got one of the highest marks on a history exam and the kids in the class could not figure it out and figured he cheated cause he always leaves the class and they have no idea what he is doing.lol I think that did so much for his self esteem.The only subject that we have foound this does not help with is math and he just takes a one on one class with the teacher.I would really look to see if you could get something like this!It can change a childs life believe me!!

 
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