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Old 02-26-2006, 05:55 AM   #1
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Pain Just Below the Ribcage

I've had CT scans and xrays, the doctors (both GI and Hep) have said my liver is not enlarged, my gall bladder is okay, and my kidneys are too. My blood tests have come back "unremarkable" for everything from enzymes to cancer/tumor, yet there are times when I ache just under my ribcage.

Now they've got me doing a 24 hour peefest in a bottle to check the protein spill? Does this make sense?

Is it possible to have liver disease, even though everything says I shouldn't? Should I have a liver biopsy anyway?

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Old 03-03-2006, 11:03 AM   #2
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Re: Pain Just Below the Ribcage

Well, its funny !!! I thought I was the only one going crazy. I have the same symptoms and have had them for at least 2 - 3 years. I have been thru all of the tests ,xrays, ultrasounds etc etc. The only test that I had come back not normal was the hydascan, have you done one of these ?? It tests how well and and what percentage your gallbladder functions.
Mine was very abnormal b but my Dr and the surgeon said that they dont rely on those to much and that it was my choice to have it removed.
Well, I chose not to becasue they couldt give me a definite answer as to whether or not it would make the pain go away.
So, I am stuck and I dont know what to do. They have also checked my liver and said its normal. I dont think its normal to have a gnawing achy pain in spot for so long. I dont know about the protein spill, they have never made me do that ?
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Old 03-04-2006, 05:02 AM   #3
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Re: Pain Just Below the Ribcage

Welcome to my world!

I have had pain below my rib cage on the right side for the last 7 years. I have had Ultrasounds, CT Scans, Hida Scan...

My Hida Scan numbers came back at 4%, which is very low. So I had my Gallbladder removed even though I didnít have traditional symptoms.

One year later, that annoying pain is still there. Might even be a little worse since my surgery.

I have had some liver enzyme issues thinking maybe something is wrong with my liver creating the pain. But, my numbers are very low and track up and down. If it was liver, it would have to be really swollen and my numbers do not reflect that.

The pain after awhile makes me feel like a hypochondriac, guess I should just live with it at this point.

 
Old 03-05-2006, 05:59 PM   #4
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Re: Pain Just Below the Ribcage

i know what yall are talking about.i just strated having pain in my right side about 4 weeks ago.but now there is a med size lump under my ribcage.and i dont know what is going on i am going to the dr in a few days to see if he can find out what is going on with me i am only 33 years old and i had my gallballder took out last year.so i know it cant be that.is any one eles out there got a lump under you ribcage on the right side?and i have a lot of pain also on the same side if there is anyone out there know what is going on will u please let me know thanks....lisa

 
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:17 AM   #5
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Re: Pain Just Below the Ribcage

Hi,

I was surprised to see how many people have pain or discomfort under their right rib! I first experienced this pain back in November, 2006. I was sitting in bed reading with a cat on my lap and I sat up quickly. The pain was so sharp it took my breath away. It felt like something was pinched and I could feel things release as the pain subsided. Since then I have had intermittent discomfort under the right rib. Nothing sharp like that initial pain. Sometimes if I laugh really hard I feel the tightening like something is pinched again and then feel it release as the pain goes away. Some days I don't feel anything at all. I have scoliosis and have a Herrington rod in my back, so my first thought when I had the pain was that my spine had poked something on the right side. My spine is not completely straight and does actually angle to the right at the bottom. I had pain with my collar bone once that had lasted three months and I finally went to see a back specialist. He could find nothing wrong and the pain eventually went away on its own. I have kind of thought maybe the pain/discomfort I have been having on the right side would eventually also go away on its own and I have not seen a doctor about it. In addition to the scoliosis, I also have IBS. I have never had a colonoscopy as the internist who was my colleague felt I had my IBS under control and said he would only perform a colonoscopy if he felt it was absolutely necessary due to the risks involved. My mother had ulcerative colitis and has had most of her large intestine removed. I do know that my insides flare up with stress or when I eat certain foods/spices and I have a presciption for Tributine that I use prior to eating out or after I have eaten something that has affected my stomach. What a lifesaver those pills have been! I am curious to find out what people who are experiencing this right sided pain near the ribs have been diagnosed with as it seems many have undergone an onslaught of tests with no confirmed diagnosis. I hate to bother doctors, but also don't want to put off having something checked that could be serious.

 
Old 04-23-2006, 03:00 AM   #6
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Re: Pain Just Below the Ribcage

Hi all, I hace just been discharged from hospital after my Colonoscopy after suffering from upper and lower right side abdominal pain. I aslo have been diagnosed with a fatty liver possibly leading to liver desease according to the doc who examined my liver, my blood tests have all come back abnormal liver function to about 2 1/2 times above normal and im worried as hell about it, i dont smoke or drink and dont eat much fatty foods, im having a barium meal examiniation soon to see if my small intestine is somehow causing the trouble, i also have had several biopies of my large intestine in which one was a mass also two polyps were removed. Im ony 34 and im not over weight and ruling out hep and iron overload from my mulispectral blood tests im scared as to what might be causing this!
Any pain is not normal and should be checked out, i know as a typical male we are told that we should not colmplain and put off going to the docs but this is exactly what you should not do! dont worry about going, thats what they are there for!

I hope evrything goes well for you all!

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Old 06-06-2006, 11:58 PM   #7
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I've had right side pain/pressure/discomfort since last December. It moves around -- sometimes in front sometimes in back.
I had an ultrasound and bloodwork that were normal.
I found another thread where a lot of people had similar symptoms, with no diagnosis. Something a lot of them had in common though, besides the right side pain, were anxiety attacks.
Well, I just found something that struck me as interesting -- adrenal gland tumors, which are almost always benign, can cause pain/pressure in your side, as well as heart palpatations (which I've had for years), anxiety and panic attacks (which I started suffering from April 2005), and increased acne which I've been dealing with since Sept. 2005. I'm going to go see my OBGYN on Thursday because I want to rule out a cyst, but also because my regular doc thinks my pain is caused by my anxiety, and that I'm a hypochondriac because of it.

 
Old 06-07-2006, 10:13 AM   #8
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I've had right side pain/pressure/discomfort since last December. It moves around -- sometimes in front sometimes in back.
I had an ultrasound and bloodwork that were normal.
I found another thread where a lot of people had similar symptoms, with no diagnosis. Something a lot of them had in common though, besides the right side pain, were anxiety attacks.
Well, I just found something that struck me as interesting -- adrenal gland tumors, which are almost always benign, can cause pain/pressure in your side, as well as heart palpatations (which I've had for years), anxiety and panic attacks (which I started suffering from April 2005), and increased acne which I've been dealing with since Sept. 2005. I'm going to go see my OBGYN on Thursday because I want to rule out a cyst, but also because my regular doc thinks my pain is caused by my anxiety, and that I'm a hypochondriac because of it.
Hi imaworrier,

I too have right side pain but is localised and sometimes spreads more to the left but is always in the same place, i have lower back, hip and knee pain also, i have read that these symptoms could be related to Prostate cancer and i shall have to wait and see when i get my histology results on 7th July.
I have a hard time atributing panic attacks to pain, studying psycology i know that some forms of metal health matters can result in varioys symptoms but this kind of pain isnt, my gp also attributes my abdominal pain to being in my mind but he is a medical gp and not qualified to make such statements.
Good luck with your appointment and you are entitled to get tests done , this does not make you a hypochondriac at all, just concerned for your health as you have aright to be as its your body!

Hang in there and stay in touch, i hope things work out for you!

Andy

 
Old 06-08-2006, 03:22 AM   #9
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Re: Pain Just Below the Ribcage

Hello Reading that your pain some times travel makes me wonder if it's gas. Do u drink lots of soda? Sometimes if you look at what you eat/drink, you'll find the cause. Just a thought!

Also, I have gotten pain on my right side but under my breast. Last week it lasted for quite a few minutes... sharp pain! My dr sent me for an ultrasound and they believe they saw a polyp on my gall bladder. Dr is referring me to a surgeon. I have not gotten the pain since. Anyone got polyps?
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Old 06-08-2006, 08:51 AM   #10
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I don't drink soda at all. I've noticed the pain may be associated with my monthly cycle, that's why I thought of going to the OB-GYN. I didn't go today though because I'm not having the pain. I figure I should go when I am in case it's a cyst that comes and goes. But I did think the Adrenal gland tumor info was very interesting, as I have almost all the symptoms. I just don't know if I can go to the OB_GYN and ask her to test me for an adrenal gland problem. And I need to switch my regular doctor to someone else.

 
Old 06-08-2006, 10:30 AM   #11
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I am new to this forum, never used one before, but I live in a small town with not very comprehensive medical staffing so I thought I'd see if anyone had any advice before I go to the main hospital for further expensive tests.

I woke up one morning around 3am with horrible chest pain right in the center under my lowest ribs and huge bloating gassy type pain all over my body (you know the type you have after being injected with gas for a tubal ligation surgury?), couldn't breath unless I relaxed a lot, took some asperin and went back to bed. In the morning, still achy and bloated, nothing helping the pain or bloating, but not passing any gas either, hubby took me to the local doc with heart attack symptoms (they thought). EKG showed normal heart, but since I had a cold, was diagnosed with inflamed cartilidge around lower ribs in center, told to "take two asperin twice daily" for pain and inflamation.

Since then, I read about gall bladder attacks and looking back at the last few years, can assume that's what it was, mother had hers out in her thirties after several attacks and stone passings, I'm 41 now.

It's been 3 weeks and still have bloating I take gass-x for 24/7, never goes away, causes pain just like gas in back, shoulders, etc. no matter what I do, but no more attacks yet. Anyone have a solution other than surgury? Gall bladder websites can't seem to agree on what to eat/not eat, herbals, etc. I want specific answers from someone who's tried stuff PLEASE HELP, tired of being in gassy pain all the time!

 
Old 06-08-2006, 09:35 PM   #12
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Get an ultrasound to determine if it's gall stones. If it is, I had the surgery and it made a huge difference in my symptoms. I felt 100% better (this was 12 years ago).

 
Old 06-09-2006, 07:01 PM   #13
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[FONT=Garamond]hi, lisa. i'm 39, i've had my pain for quite along time, i finally went to see a dr. she thought it was my gallbladder, so i had an ultrasound done, within a day the results came back, no not that, my liver is a little enlarged. the other things i had going on with me is not only the pain wich is small sharp at times uncomfortable, but there is a strange itching inside, also i lost alot of weight, which is also concerning her. so she is also thinking hepititis. my luck. other than the hep, do any of these other symtoms sound like something you've experienced? if so please let me know. i see from all the other posts, were all in the dark. thank you
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Old 07-14-2006, 09:34 AM   #14
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Anyone have a solution other than surgury? Gall bladder websites can't seem to agree on what to eat/not eat, herbals, etc. I want specific answers from someone who's tried stuff PLEASE HELP, tired of being in gassy pain all the time!
I have had similar issues. I do annual juice fasting (10-15 consecutive days). All my problems would go away when I was fasting but would come back when I started eating again. Back in February of 2006 I read about gallbladder and liver cleansing, which can be done in one day. I decided to try it. I combined it with a 10 day juice fast. I did the liver/gallbladder cleanse the night of day 5 and again on day 10. I passed quite a few gallstones. When I started eating again I noticed a significant reduction in my sensitivity to food. As I am writing this I have just completed my 4th liver/gallbladder cleanse last night (yesterday was day 3 of my 3 day mini juice fast) and have passed several stones today. I have also just started taking milk thistle today as well. Hopefully these things will continue to help me. If you are interested in the liver/gallbladder cleanse do a search on the net and read about it. Although the juicefasting is not, supposedly, necessary and you can cleanse the liver/gallbladder in one day I do it. Specifically here is the process I just went through:

Tuesday: On waking drink 1 liter of a natural colonic consisting of 4 teaspoons sea salt or kosher salt (do not use iodized salt!), 2 cups cold water, 1.75 cups boiling water, and about 1/4 cup lemon juice. DO NOT eat or drink anything before doing this. You MUST have an empty stomach. Drink as quickly as possible. This will go straight through your colon in about 1 hour and flush everything out. The rest of the day I only consumed natural juices (made by actually juicing fruits and vegetables) and water. I find I can function as normal doing this. In fact I went to work and attended 2 karate classes in a row that night.

Wednesday: Same as Tuesday.

Thursday: Same as Tuesday accept I only drank apple juice made by juicing organic apples and some water. This is supposed to help the liver/gallbladder cleanse. Around 8:30 PM (after my karate class) I had my last drink of juice and some water and waited 1/2 hour for that to clear (takes about 1/2 hour for liquids to clear your stomach). I then drank 1 cup of water with 1 tablespoon epsom salt dissolved in it. I layed on my right side so this solution would stay near my liver/gallbladder. This is supposed to loosen up the ducts to allow passage of stones. Warning: This solution will also go through you similar to the natural colonic so be prepared. At 11pm I did the cleanse. This consists of drinking a mixture of 1 cup extra virgin olive oil (must be cold pressed extra virgin olive oil) and 1/2 cup lemon juice (yes it is disgusting). They will separate so you have to mix thoroughly and drink immediately after mixing as quickly as possible. I then went to bed IMMEDIATELY and made certain to lay on my right side and fall asleep that way so the oil settles near the liver/gallbladder.

Friday: I began this morning with the natural colonic. It did not go through me as quickly as on the other days. In fact, I was at work by the time it decided to come out. I did pass a number of stones. At 10:00 I ate an apple, some cherries, and a banana (first food since Monday night!) and took my first Liverite pills ever (the ones that contain milk thistle to promote liver function). Now I am about to eat a salad for lunch. I feel quite good.

The theory as I understand it: By obstaining from the consumption of any fats for some time your liver can produce a large amount of bile since it need not excrete any to digest fats/food. Some of this is stored as reserve in your gallbladder, which does an initial release in case you happen to eat a high fat meal (this is why a gallbladder is important and you shouldn't have it removed unless absolutely necessary, or say goodbye to meat). By the time you drink the oil the liver and gallbladder have lots of bile. All of a sudden they "see" the oil and are forced to excrete a large volume of bile to digest it. The lemon juice helps promote this. During this process, gallstones and sludge blocking up your liver/gallbladder are expelled.

There are many variations of the cleanse online. Some only involve drinking 1/2-3/4 cup oil. Some do not require obstaining from food, but only eating raw fruits and vegetables. Most only involve 1 day to do the cleanse rather than 3, but I like juice fasting. I do definitely recommend doing the colon cleanse in the morning and obstaining from solid foods the day of the liver/gallbladder cleanse. This will ensure 2 things.....1) Your colon is clear and ready to receive the oil, bile, and gallstones. If it is blocked with feces where do you think all of this will end up? (yes, your stomach which will likely make you throw up and make the cleanse ineffective) and....2) How will you know if you are truly passing stones or just feces if you didn't cleanse your colon and obstain from food. Basically you will not know if it worked.

I assume no liability and you do this at your own risk, but it did seem to help me a lot.

 
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Anyone have a solution other than surgury? Gall bladder websites can't seem to agree on what to eat/not eat, herbals, etc. I want specific answers from someone who's tried stuff PLEASE HELP, tired of being in gassy pain all the time!
I forgot to mention another thing that helped me a lot. This is massage of my ribcage. I currently still have pain, albeit much less than before the cleanses and it does not seem food related anymore. My theory is that muscles in my rib cage tightened up in response to some kind of liver/gallbladder problem. Pain seemed especially focused on my right side around or under my lowest two ribs (floating ribs). I think the problem muscles are mostly my abdominal obliques and also partly my intercostal muscles. Here are some techniques I use:

The palm heel: To do your right side place your right hand on the floor, palm up. Lay on your hand such that the heel (more specifically the meaty part at the base of your thumb) is on or under your lowest rib on your right side. Flex your hand at the wrist and vary position and the angle at which you lay on your hand. Seek the most painful areas and apply enough pressure for an 8/10 on the pain scale. By varying the way you lay on your hand you can get all the way around the lower ribs.

The double fist: This is great for getting the area near where your lower rib meets your back vertebrae. Make fists. Lay on your fists on a matress so the thumb side knuckle is pressing on your lowest ribs on either side and the other (pinky) side is on the mattress. Rotate your fists and vary body position to massage different areas. Aim for an 8/10 on the pain scale.

The rake: Use your fingers of one hand to "rake" between and on the ribs of the opposite side. Use your other hand to reinforce this hand and add pressure or lean against a padded surface/wall to sandwich your hand against your body for additional force (or do both at the same time). Again, aim for an 8/10.

The knife hand: Make knives with both hands (like you are about to do a karate chop). This works great when sitting on the hopper and you will have privacy. Place the pinky side of each hand on your upper thigh of the same side leg near the hip. Lean forward so your thumb presses on/under your lowest ribs. Keep your hand rigid so you can sandwich it against your thigh and get force. Vary how much you lean and the angle of your hand to massage on/under the lowest ribs. Alternatively this can also be done sitting upright and using the opposite hand to grab the knife hand and press it onto/under the ribs.

If you do indeed have muscle problems doing these will hurt intensely and it may take months to loosen up. When you finish these do some trunk twists. You might notice your back crack down there as the muscles pulling your ribs out of alignment are now loose.

Disclaimer: I am not a professional. I made up all those cute names for the techniques on the spot. They are my own and work for me, but may not necessarily work for you. I assume no liability, yada yada yada etc etc.

 
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