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Old 11-22-2012, 11:14 PM   #1
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Hello I am only 25 years old but after getting out of the Military on a medical discharge. I developed gallstones that blocked the pancreatic duct, so now i have chronic pancreatits.

anyway about 8 days ago i started having a wired pain in my right side under my rib cage. It kinda feels like a numb feeling then i got a dull pain, i was really dizzy and had left arm weakness, and last i had numbness and tingling all over...

i went to the doc on Monday and she took blood work and a urine sample both showed elevated liver enzymes. (she said she did a liver function test i know she said my Builyruben was high but i don't know what the other enzymes where) she also said i have pneumonia.Now my liver is having a sharp pain in it i keep getting dizzy and my left arm keeps going numb but there is no jaundice, i do get sick to my stomach and the taste of bile in the back of my throat, and i have problems thinking like when i am talking i cant get the word i want to out or i can not figure out what i am trying to say. i am also a little constipated, but i don't know what to do next because the doctors in my town are really bad. she said she wanted to redo the liver function blood work early next week, but what do i do between now and then do i trust her and just not think about it or is there a point i should go to a good hospital, or am i just worrying for no reason.........

thank you so much for all of your thoughts

 
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:38 PM   #2
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I beg anyone who has anything like this happen to let me know I am not going crazy. I don't understand any of this I have always told the liver does not normally hurt and well I am scared of what is going on because I don't have any clue and can not find anything online like this

 
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Hi lifepain, I'm sorry you're not getting a response to your plea, but pancreatitis is a touchy thing to deal with and there are not a lot of folks who are knowledgeable about it outside the professional world.

Regarding your new right side pain though, I thought I might tell you about something I have been taking for my right side (liver) pain since it is relatively safe and worked well for me. I'm recovering from what I believe was alcoholic steatohepatitis, and one of my lingering symptoms was a right side pain below the ribs.

I started reading information on "endotoxin" which is a toxic chemical given off by bacteria in the colon that gets into your blood and inflames the liver. When you mentioned the recent constipation it made me think of this, as constipation can cause elevated endotoxin if there is a lot of fecal material giving off the toxin when your colon isn't emptying properly.

You've probably heard of "probiotics" that are supposed to seed your colon with friendly/good bacteria (and reduce endotoxin from bad bacteria), but probiotics can be expensive and often are ineffective as they sometimes don't survive long enough to reach the colon.

I decided to try a fructo-oligosaccharide/FOS PREbiotic first as they are cheaper and easier (I'm a guy and cheap and easy is good), and prebiotics have no trouble reaching the colon as they are not living cultures but complex sugars that are not absorbed in the GI tract. The complex sugars in FOS feed good bacteria you already have in your colon, and the population explosion of good bugs then crowds out the bad bacteria, substantially reducing endotoxin.

There are two main types of prebiotic... "FOS" (aka: fructo-oligosaccharides) and inulin. I decided to try the FOS first as studies show it is safer and more effective than inulin. I was quite surprised when my right side abdominal pain faded to almost nothing with remarkable swiftness. My right side ache had been a constant companion for quite a while and I was amazed when it vanished from my life after such a long time.

FOS prebiotics are quite safe (from what I could find) and the only side effect I had was a bit more gas the first couple weeks I was taking it. It only takes a very small amount of FOS to have a very impressive effect. FOS is often sold in powder form with the recommended dose of a teaspoon per day dissolved in a drink. This didn't sound too tasty to me, and I found an FOS supplement supplied in gelatin capsules that I preferred.

The capsules were only 750mg each and I took one with each meal to feed the good bacteria with every meal as it reached my colon. The three capsules together probably didn't have much more than half a teaspoon of FOS total, yet still worked quite well.

There's a slight laxative effect which may be an added bonus... Nothing watery or crampy, but I was going a couple of times a day for a while.

I'm NOT a doctor, and YOU NEED TO ASK YOURS before you try a prebiotic, probiotic or anything else. Pancreatitis is nothing to play around with and you shouldn't be taking supplements of any kind that you're not telling your doc about (even if you don't think she's so good). Just ask her if it would be safe for you to "try a fructo-oligosaccharide prebiotic for your constipation" before you even buy it. If she doesn't want you to try it, then you shouldn't. Even if you're not that confidant in her, she knows medicine better than either you or I!

This may be a shot in the dark for what's ailing you, but it worked quite well for what was ailing me and we both have right side abdominal pain in the area of our livers.

The problem you describe with the brain fog (words on the tip of your tongue that you can't get out) is known to doctors as a "stymie" and can in fact be associated with toxins in the blood your liver is not properly filtering out. You need to be sure and tell your doc about this and ask if you need to be referred to a specialist.

I hope I haven't caused you any distress with my theories... I'm not a doctor, and you need to work with yours to resolve your problems, but as we had at least one symptom in common I thought I'd at least reply to your post and throw out a possible suggestion.

Best of Luck to you, and GodSpeed you to better health.

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Thank you BillinSD I am supposed to go back and se my Dr early next week to retest my levels so I will ask her about that. Once again thank you

 
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Hi lifepain, I'm sorry you're not getting a response to your plea, but pancreatitis is a touchy thing to deal with and there are not a lot of folks who are knowledgeable about it outside the professional world.

Regarding your new right side pain though, I thought I might tell you about something I have been taking for my right side (liver) pain since it is relatively safe and worked well for me. I'm recovering from what I believe was alcoholic steatohepatitis, and one of my lingering symptoms was a right side pain below the ribs.

I started reading information on "endotoxin" which is a toxic chemical given off by bacteria in the colon that gets into your blood and inflames the liver. When you mentioned the recent constipation it made me think of this, as constipation can cause elevated endotoxin if there is a lot of fecal material giving off the toxin when your colon isn't emptying properly.

You've probably heard of "probiotics" that are supposed to seed your colon with friendly/good bacteria (and reduce endotoxin from bad bacteria), but probiotics can be expensive and often are ineffective as they sometimes don't survive long enough to reach the colon.

I decided to try a fructo-oligosaccharide/FOS PREbiotic first as they are cheaper and easier (I'm a guy and cheap and easy is good), and prebiotics have no trouble reaching the colon as they are not living cultures but complex sugars that are not absorbed in the GI tract. The complex sugars in FOS feed good bacteria you already have in your colon, and the population explosion of good bugs then crowds out the bad bacteria, substantially reducing endotoxin.

There are two main types of prebiotic... "FOS" (aka: fructo-oligosaccharides) and inulin. I decided to try the FOS first as studies show it is safer and more effective than inulin. I was quite surprised when my right side abdominal pain faded to almost nothing with remarkable swiftness. My right side ache had been a constant companion for quite a while and I was amazed when it vanished from my life after such a long time.

FOS prebiotics are quite safe (from what I could find) and the only side effect I had was a bit more gas the first couple weeks I was taking it. It only takes a very small amount of FOS to have a very impressive effect. FOS is often sold in powder form with the recommended dose of a teaspoon per day dissolved in a drink. This didn't sound too tasty to me, and I found an FOS supplement supplied in gelatin capsules that I preferred.

The capsules were only 750mg each and I took one with each meal to feed the good bacteria with every meal as it reached my colon. The three capsules together probably didn't have much more than half a teaspoon of FOS total, yet still worked quite well.

There's a slight laxative effect which may be an added bonus... Nothing watery or crampy, but I was going a couple of times a day for a while.

I'm NOT a doctor, and YOU NEED TO ASK YOURS before you try a prebiotic, probiotic or anything else. Pancreatitis is nothing to play around with and you shouldn't be taking supplements of any kind that you're not telling your doc about (even if you don't think she's so good). Just ask her if it would be safe for you to "try a fructo-oligosaccharide prebiotic for your constipation" before you even buy it. If she doesn't want you to try it, then you shouldn't. Even if you're not that confidant in her, she knows medicine better than either you or I!

This may be a shot in the dark for what's ailing you, but it worked quite well for what was ailing me and we both have right side abdominal pain in the area of our livers.

The problem you describe with the brain fog (words on the tip of your tongue that you can't get out) is known to doctors as a "stymie" and can in fact be associated with toxins in the blood your liver is not properly filtering out. You need to be sure and tell your doc about this and ask if you need to be referred to a specialist.

I hope I haven't caused you any distress with my theories... I'm not a doctor, and you need to work with yours to resolve your problems, but as we had at least one symptom in common I thought I'd at least reply to your post and throw out a possible suggestion.

Best of Luck to you, and GodSpeed you to better health.
Bill I also have that right sided pain, even 2 years post any alcohol. Its that annoying dull ache, and its sometimes worse with greasy food.
I have been taking Align probiotics. But today I will look for the FOS prebiotics. any particular brand?

 
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Hi HypoC. "NutraFlora" is a generic FOS that's in a lot of different brands, including the one I use... The front label simply says FOS prebiotic but the ingredients list the FOS as NutraFlora, which is the stuff the Japanese are crazy about. Their putting it in soft drinks and even some baby formulas over across the Pacific.

Some Prebiotics labeled "complete formula" also contain inulin and I wanted to avoid this as inulin has been linked to feeding a bad bug called "klebsiella". Plan simple and cheap FOS made with NutraFlora is the safest mass produced prebiotic.

Best of Luck at the doctors this week lifepain.

 
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