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Old 08-28-2005, 07:05 PM   #1
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recurrent kidney infection/problems

I havent been dx w/lupus. So far just as a possible. I tested positive for Anti Ro SSA but negative for SSB and all the other. I have had a kidney infection or definate white blood cells for the past 2 months. My GP has been trying to kick it but I have gotten much worse. He said the levels are very high right now and put me on Micro bid. I have been taking it for 4 days and it isnt helping either. This is the second antibiotic the last was levaquin. I am getting concerned because I cant seem to kick it. It is making me feel really bad and hurts. My legs are numb again but I think it is just due to the kidney problem.

Anyone else have a problem with recurrent kidney infections???

Erin

 
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Old 08-29-2005, 09:17 AM   #2
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Re: recurrent kidney infection/problems

Hi, Erin. Yes, I do have recurrent urinary tract infections. Before I was diagnosed with lupus, I had only had one uti in my life, at least that I was aware of. That one was weird too, none of the expected symptoms or warnings, just went to the bathroom and out came a stream of blood. Don't know what I was given then, it was five years ago. But as for my recent infections, I have had about seven in the past year. The two drugs I have taken are Levaquin and Cipro. Each one seemed to do the trick each time, except the very last time I had one a couple of months ago, that one seemed very stubborn. I had just had a pretty bad one the end of April, went to the doctor and got Cipro for that, the symptoms went away, but I wasn't checked to make sure the white blood cells in my urine were gone, so maybe they were not. Anyway, only three weeks after that one, I got the telltale urgency and frequency and pressure feeling and knew that it was back, that is, if it had ever been gone. I called the doctor back to get them to phone me over a prescription, and the nurse looked at my chart and said, why miss, we already phoned one in for you a couple of weeks ago, didn't you go get it? Of course I had. So, after I explained that this was a whole separate incident, she told me that for such a stubborn case, I needed to see a doctor and get urinalysis. I did that and this time I was given Levaquin, which I know did the trick, since I went back for a follow-up and the wbc count in my urine was back within normal range.

I think my ridiculous rate of urinary tract infections is due to several factors: 1) the lupus, or more accurately, the increased suscepibility to infections because of taking prednisone (the infections are worse and you get more of them); 2) my new birth control method, which is now a diapragm (I am still crying over losing my beautiful NuvaRing:sniff, which presses against the urethra, which means when you have it in, your bladder can't empty completely as it should, which means old urine that could be full of bacteria gets to hang out in your bladder longer and cause trouble; and 3) increased sexual activity (since new year's, I have been in my first sexual relationship for some time), since sex tends to push bacteria up into the female urinary tract, where before, that was not even a factor for me.

My new approach to getting this under control is just simple common sense stuff. I am always extra careful never to wipe up in the direction of my urethra when I go to the bathroom. I drink tons of water daily, and urinate a lot to keep the bacteria flushed out of my bladder. This is VERY important. Concentrated urine is a breeding ground for bacteria. You can tell if your urine is too concentrated by its color. The lab people at my doctor told me that it should be a pale golden yellow color, not the dark yellow or browish stuff that a lot of people who are drinking too little fluids often have. I always go before and after sex. The experts recommend that people with these kinds of problems don't wait until the urge presents itself before you go to the bathroom. They recommend that whenever you are conveniently near a bathroom, go in order to keep your bladder as empty of urine as possible.

I have been reading around on the internet, and there have been at least of couple of reputable studies done on women with frequent uti's using cranberry juice. You probably have heard that cranberry juice has been shown to keep bacteria from being able to adhere to the bladder wall and therefore makes it hard for them to establish an infection. So, according to the guidelines used in one of the studies, women who drank a large glass of cranberry juice daily had greatly reduced rates of urinary tract infections. So, I have begun to drink large glass of cranberry juice every day. The best results were with 16 oz, but I know I don't get exactly that much, but close. So far, so good, but I have only been using it on a daily basis since July, we will see. And don't get the weak cranberry juice cocktail. They seem to think that you must have at least 27% cranberry juice in it to be effective. I know that certain brands have the percentage on the label, and one brand has the endorsement of the major kidney foundation in the country right on the label. I tend to buy the 100% juice instead of the cocktail, although it is mixed with other juices besides cranberry (100% cranberry juice is too bitter to drink), I know I am getting at least the minumum I need to be effective.

Hope you have better luck at getting your rate of infections down. They are no fun and leave you miserable.

 
Old 08-29-2005, 07:30 PM   #3
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Re: recurrent kidney infection/problems

Hi Erin- I hope that your infection clears soon! Does it hurt in your back below the ribs? Do you have a fever and are you nauseated and without appetite? These are signs of kidney infection and usually not found in bladder infections. Did your Dr. think it was in the kidney?
Have they done a culture that shows bacteria growth? WBCs usually do signal kidney infection, but it's best to be sure.

I have lupus and had numerous kidney infections (6-10 per year) for many years without explanation from my rheumatologist, gyno., urologist of nephrologist. They were sometimes severe, always showed up in a culture, but did clear with antibiotics, so they were recurring. Just a guess, but it sounds like you may not have gotten rid of your original infection. They can do a bacterial resistance test to see which antibiotic will work for your specific bacteria. Maybe you're not on the right drug yet.???
Also, I think white blood cells, once in a rare while, suggest other things within the kidneys and may not mean definite infection. With lupus, inflammation can pop up anywhere.



I agree with the previous poster's suggestions, and some people take an antibiotic before sex. Though sex sometimes brought on my infections, I do not subscribe to this idea because by doing so, my "bugs" were becoming increasingly resistant to the antiobiotics. After years of taking antibiotics (uh-oh, I sound like a wild girl), many of them no longer work for me.
But, please don't be scared that you will suffer repeated infections. This may be a rare occurence for you; let's hope!!

Kidney infections can have very different causes than bladder infections and can be more serious so I'm glad you're looking for an answer!
I passed kidney stones 2 years ago and surprise, surprise... I now get infections only rarely. Wish ONE of those Dr.s would've told me that stones may trap bacteria and cause repeated infections.

Good luck and feel better soon!
Kiley

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Old 08-30-2005, 01:18 PM   #4
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Re: recurrent kidney infection/problems

Hi all,

I'm going to jump in here and add just a little note to all the wonderful information that has already been posted. I too have suffered several bladder and kidney infections. Some, they said, were precipated by sex, others were not. I have been on all the medications mentioned here at one time or another. The microbid is the only one that works well for me anymore.

My post is really about the cranberry juice thing. That was suggested to me also, however, there is much sugar in pure juices and that caused me a problem so now I take a cranberry extract in capsule form. The kind recommended by my Dr. can be obtained in any Wal-Mart and it doesn't cost too much. I have been able to avoid infection for almost 7 months now. It is just great. Good luck.

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Re: recurrent kidney infection/problems

The levaquin didnt work. I knew it stayed...it just dulled it out a bit. But my urine was still loaded with the cells even big ones or large white floaty things. The microbid didnt work either so now we are trying Bactrim and Cipro together. He did send off a culture today to see what else to try. It is still pretty bad and very painful. I dont have the urgency just the pain. Now I am not even going to the bathroom very much at all. And for the record this couldnt be from too much sex. My husband would shout out that lately I have not really been in the mood. Poor man has been lucky to get it once a month. I have just been too whiped out.

It feels like it is in both of my kidneys. Both sides of my back hurt from the bottom part of my rib cage to my hips. Plus the fever makes it worse I am sure. My eyes and joints hurt even! I just hope this last stuff works. He said I should see an improvement by tomorrow. If this doesnt work he is just going to have to wait for the culture which will take 3 days. He said if I get worse to go to the ER. Well been there done that last night. After waiting 3 hours I went to the desk to see how much longer because sitting in the chair was killing me and she said atleast another 4 hours barring nothing more urgent came in. I was floored. This is a town with 5 high schools and only two hospitals! I left and went back to my doctor this morning. He said I should have stayed and they would have probably admitted me. If I would have waited it out they probably would have had to just from sitting in the chair so long! I told the dr. I just want to get better so I can get back to work. I sit at a desk, so if I could just get it a little better I can go back. I must have looked pretty bad because he gave me 30 Vicodin ES for pain and my dr is very strict on pain meds. My BP last night was 148/96 so I know this is really taking a toll on my body.

I was worried at first about kidney disease. I read that having the anti ro/ssa and not the anti la/ssb showed a likelyhood to nephritis.

Also on a side note, on the news here last night ironically they said that cranberry juice can actually INCREASE the possiblity of kidney stones. I have never had one and dont want one. I have just been drinking alot of water.

Thank you for your posts. Hopefully the next time I post I will feel much better.

Also, on the molar rash...can you just get it on your nose. I have red bumps all over my nose??

Erin

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