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Old 08-13-2004, 04:20 PM   #1
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Question Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

Does anyone have experience with a bite that begins looking like a bull's eye?

I woke up Tuesday morning with a painful bug bite about the size of a dime sort of under my arm toward my back. Makes it hard to get a good look. It felt like a bad pimple. My daughter said it was some sort of bite or pimple.

By the next day it didn't hurt any more but each day it grows bigger. This morning (Friday) it is larger than a half dollar and has bull's eye appearance. That rang a bell so I looked on line and photos of Lyme disease are similar. Photos of ringworm are bull's eye shaped, too.

I do live next to woods frequented by deer. (Wish they'd leave my hostas alone). I gather brush in the woods for campfires so it I do spend time in possible tick infested areas.

I have no other symptoms. I hate to go to the doctor and spend $$$ to be told it's a spider bite or something. Do other bites look like this? If I have no other symptoms should I be concerned?

Any advice would be appreciated.

 
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Old 08-13-2004, 04:42 PM   #2
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

it could be lyme. it is better to test properly to know for sure. if that is the bullseye rash, you are infected and should take the antibiodics early on.

 
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Old 08-14-2004, 08:23 AM   #3
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

Hi Confused47, welcome to the board!

Although only about 50% of people with Lyme ever get a rash, a bullseye rash is a definite sign of Lyme. The rash alone merits treatment. Get photos of your rash. Place something near it, like a coin or ruler, before photographing to give it size definition. That way you have evidence of it if needed later.

Lyme disease is a multi-system bacterial infection caused from the bite of an infected tick. The rash is only one possible symptom. It is good you got the rash so you can get early treatment. Getting the proper treatment early in the infection may reduce the chance of long-term complications. Untreated or undertreated Lyme can be serious, chronic and debilitating. It is my understanding that an infection caught within two weeks of the bite should be treated with a minimum of six weeks of the right dose antibiotic. If symptoms are present after this time, futher treatment is warranted. Lyme needs much more aggessive treatment than many infections. Many doctors follow outdated protocols and undertreat.

It is very important to see a knowledgeable doctor. No test is completely reliable and you will most likely test negative this early in the infection. If a doctor relies soley on test results and will not treat you when you have the rash, he/she is not knowledgeable. Ticks can also transmit several co-infections. Many people who have Lyme are co-infected. A knowledgeable doctor knows this and can treat accordingly.

If you tell me what state you are located in, I can post if I know of any Lyme doctors in your area.

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Old 08-14-2004, 08:03 PM   #4
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

I am in NW Indiana and have a doctor appointment scheduled for Tuesday afternoon.

 
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

Good luck at your appointment. I hope your doctor will start you on the right dose of meds for at least six weeks. Please post on how your appointment goes.

 
Old 08-15-2004, 07:45 PM   #6
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

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It is very important to see a knowledgeable doctor. No test is completely reliable and you will most likely test negative this early in the infection. If a doctor relies soley on test results and will not treat you when you have the rash, he/she is not knowledgeable. Ticks can also transmit several co-infections. Many people who have Lyme are co-infected. A knowledgeable doctor knows this and can treat accordingly.
Ticker is correct. I would also like to add that if the Dr. dismisses the rash and/or Lyme Disease or possible co-infections which is highly likely unless they are an LLMD (Lyme Literate MD) do not take what they say to be the final answer. It is amazing at how often it is dismissed. Even when my husbands doctor saw the rash he felt it was LD but when the blood results came back negative he dismissed it as an allergic reaction to a bite. All you have to do is read the many stories out there to realize how often it happens. We were told by my husbands LLMD that for every 1 diagnosis of LD there is atleast 10 that go undiagnosed. My understanding is that the rash signifies LD. It is EXTREMELY important that you be treated properly and the sooner the better. Good luck :-).

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Old 08-15-2004, 09:55 PM   #7
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

I'm relatively new to this board but have found it to be one of the most informative boards available. You MUST get tested. It sounds like you may have found that you have LD early, which is really encouraging. If you doc isn't a lyme specialist, find one who is or try to educate him on what the proper courses of treatment are. Ticker is an amazing source of info and I hope to become a good resource for others as well. My boyfriend was just diagnosed and we think we caught it at worst within 6 weeks of infection. We're still educating our doctor on what's the best course of treatment and wouldn't have been able to so without this site. Good luck and please keep us informed.

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Old 08-16-2004, 03:31 PM   #8
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

What is the best course of treatment? What should I expect when seeing the doctor tomorrow? The bull's eye has faded tremendously but is still visible. We did take photors over the weekend.

Everyone mentions antibiotics. Is there a particular one I should inquire about? I am afraid the doctor will dismiss the bite as nothing but all I keep hearing from everyone is get to a doctor and start treatment even with a negative blood test. My appointment is tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks.

 
Old 08-16-2004, 06:57 PM   #9
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

Confused47, there is no best antibiotic for everyone. Each person responds differently; however, Doxycycline is often the first one prescribed. It can be effective against Lyme and the Ehrlichiosis co-infections. It has to be the proper dose for Lyme, which from what I understand is 300-600 mg daily. Many doctors will prescribe 200 mg daily which is not strong enough.

Please post on how your appointment goes. Good luck!

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Old 08-16-2004, 07:10 PM   #10
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

My LD went undiagnosed for 4 years, and by the time I was finally diagnosed, I had nearly lost my vision (episodes of total blindness), had to use crutches in order to walk, and had no mental function left. I really thought I was dieing a slow and painful death. My PCP kept telling me it was stress, so I finally bypassed him and sought a dr. through the help of friends in the medical field . My tests never did come out positive for Lyme, but that was 15 years ago, and the disease was really just coming to light. At any rate, I was put on antibiotics for a year, and after 3 months, I was feeling like I was once again in the land of the living. After 6 months, I was back to my normal self - just in time for my wedding:-)

Whatever you do, don't let your doctor blow you off. If you can catch this disease early, recovery is soooooo much easier. If it is left untreated long enough, it can very well cause lifelong problems - witnessed by a woman who was going through treatment with me. She has never recovered fully.

Good luck,
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Old 08-16-2004, 07:15 PM   #11
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

Just my two cents--our doc likes minocycline or "minocin". It is what many people already take and has been approved by most insurance companies to treat long term for Ai disorders and Ra especially. There are many studies to give it credibility for the ins. co.'s. It appears in the studies to not build up a resistence like others and I know many people that have been on it for years w/ no other problems but herxs and yeast. You can combat the latter w/ probiotics and lots of yogurt. This is what our son is on and were told he may be on for a LONG time. The Zithromax was only covered at 6 pills a month, a max for most insurance companies. Minocycline is easily covered and many, many people have a great response to this drug. Like ticker said, no ONE antibiotic is the "best"--the most important thing is to get a LLMD asap. Good luck to you.

 
Old 08-18-2004, 05:35 PM   #12
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

I went to the doctor yesterday. He said he wasn't convinved it was LD but couldn't tell me what else would cause that kind of bite. He ran a Lyme profile which has three different blood tests. Results in tomorrow I hope.

He did agree to prescribe Doxycicline but at 100 mg for two weeks. I did get him to write the script for six weeks but he thinks I spent too much time on line.

I hope it isn't LD and if it is the 100 mg dose will stop it.

 
Old 08-18-2004, 07:28 PM   #13
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

My opinion---NEVER tell a doc you have been online!!!! (smile)

 
Old 08-19-2004, 11:19 AM   #14
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

Confused47, 100 mg of Doxy daily is not strong enough for Lyme. I believe the recommended dose is 300-600 mg daily.

It is very important to see a knowledgeable doctor, no test is completely reliable. The rash alone merits treatment, even the CDC states this.

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Old 08-19-2004, 04:56 PM   #15
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Re: Do Other Bites Cause Bull's Eye Rash?

I didn't say I had been on line per se. I said I had read about LD and because of my extensive camping experience, Lyme was something I have always tried to keep up with. That is true which is why I knew the bull's eye was a symptom.

 
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