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Old 03-18-2005, 07:10 PM   #1
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Lyme. Why treatment is a$$ backwards

Chronic Lyme disease. It's so complex. Such a mystery. MRIs, cat scans, spinal taps, SPEC scanning None of these tests ever really prove anything. People treated with antibiotics sometimes get better but sometimes don't.

Maybe we are going about this backwards. Maybe these bacteria that thrive in acidic environments with little oxygen might eventually flouish in the small intestine and bowel. I mean all of its cousins of the "bad" bacteria family love to live this way. Wouldn’t it be logical for lyme to settle into the digestive tract and slowly reproduce during those periods where you consumed alcohol.....Did you partake in sugared sodas in the past for months at a time (creating an acidic environment)...And for some of the children suffering with chronic lyme- with their newly established intestinal flora. What kind of toll would the initial infection play on their immune system. Would that not be enough to get a foot hold on small intestine flora. How could that newly established bacteria have a fighting chance.

Lyme and other pathogenic bacteria thrive in the same environment. They work together to help eachother manipulate its home. It doesn't take long for the body's healthy yeast to turn to an unhealthy form- Candida. This is a condition that 80 percent of Americans suffer with even without the presence of Lyme. Both Candida and Lyme collaberate opportunities for a partnership and begin to communicate- and like a Boa constrictor, the Lyme bacteria, Candida and other pathogens reproduce. They grow to the point that the ph levels in your digestive tract can no longer support the breakdown of foods into chemicals that are used to for energy (carbohydrates) strength (protein) and hormones like estrogen and testosterone. Without proper assimulation of these key nutrients, you can no longer manufacture hormones. The body has no choice but to substitue what it can. Have you ever made a cake without vegtable oil? Have you used applesauce instead, as some suggest. It tastes pretty crappy.
You may notice the consumption of a protein shake results in a loss of energy, and upset stomach and an ill feeling. That protein can no longer be digested. The undigested cells spill out into your blood and force the kidneys to work in a way that was not intended.
You start to feel more tired then normally towards the end of the day. It’s difficult to get a pump in your muscles at the gym. Availability of endorphins and serotonin fizzle out as the body struggles to manufacture the final chemical from its depleted cupboard.

The lining of your intestines is caked with bad bacteria because the environment is too toxic/acidic for the beneficial bacteria. As the last of the good bacteria disappear, your body goes to a reserve supply and turns to digestive enzymes to perform most of the digestion. Since most digestive enzymes come for raw vegetables, it isn't long before this last mechanism is depleted.

So what are we left with. How about a bee's nest of harmful yeast, and dangerous bacteria. And at some point the undigested food ferments. How sick would that make a person. How much bloating and weight gain might someone get. How much weight could another person lose with very little digestion.

Now begin taking antibiotics. How would you feel. Your body was flooded with toxins, now what effect will antibiotics have on an already toxic digestive tract incapable of nutrient assimilation. And even when you are done with a year of antibiotics, do you really think your digestive and immune systems are back to the way they used to be prior to the infection. No way.


It is my belief that the herx reactions we live with are caused by toxic presence of Lyme and other harmfull bacteria harbored in the digestive tract. When we upset the chemical balance that lyme has established, digestion forumas change again- nerves respond by sputtering. Skins turns red with irritation. It itches. Sinuses swell. The cranial nerves responsible for vision and balance receive a cocktail of waste back up - on a cellular level.

This disease lives in the digestive system. Treatment in every one of our cases should be focused on a protocol of digestive enzymes, vegetable alkanizers, and good quality beneficial bacteria. I say beneficial bacteria and not acidophilus because acidophilus is only a drop in the bucket with regard to beneficial bacteria’s available for supplementation.

The idea is to rid the digestive system of yeast via alkanizing agents or through a manufacture that has developed a product that targets Candida.
Step two is to begin digestive enzymes to help fight the bad bacteria including lyme spirochetes. The plaque on the intestine wall will thin and food will begin to be digested. Beneficial bacteria now have a fighting chance with additional supplemental acidophilus.

Although you will feel horrific for two or three months, you will begin to notice changes in the way you feel and interpret things.

How will you feel for the most part? Pretty damn horrible. Take your baths and do whatever you can do get the toxins out of your body. But this is the way out.

Now somehow thinking about combatting this disease with antibiotics seems incredibly, incredibly ignorant.

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Old 03-18-2005, 08:50 PM   #2
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Re: Lyme. Why treatment is a$$ backwards

Your post is very thought provoking and sounds like it could hold a lot of validity.

The one thing I wonder about though is with your theory is can the lyme bacteria survive without turning to the intestinal tract? They have found lyme bacteria in the hearts of people - the spirochetes apparently can make it into the brain too - that is why there is the big argument about which abx's to use - which ones permeate the blood brain barrier.

I agree - Akalize or Die! but I wonder if your theory of strengthening the intestinal tract would be enough to support a healthy immune system which then could handle the bacteria and kill it in all remote areas of the body. Maybe your theory is only applicable to those that have not already contracted lyme and you are saying that those that get it have set up an ideal environment for the bacteria to take hold.

Then there is the subject of coinfections like Babesia that only responds to antimalarials...

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Re: Lyme. Why treatment is a$$ backwards

Dear takemylife,

As you can tell from my last post to you I have been researching some of the stuff you talk about. I am just beginning the process and started with something the homeopatic doctor gave me a few years ago. It was called alpha-max and is supposed to help with the alkilinity. When he tested me for heavy metals and then sent my hair sample off it came back with tin and nickel as the high levels. He gave me cysteplus (sp) to rid me of this but it didn't do anything so he tested me with his magnets (certainly a different kind of exam than the norm) and discovered I was not digesting the cysteplus and he had me get Betaine HCI to help with the digestion. The next time I saw him the tin and nickel were gone. It obviously was a digestion problem.

He also kept harping on hormone issues and I just chocked it up to menopause and wasn't really having any symptoms so didn't pay too much attention. I have never taken hormones and with all the bad publicity was really glad I hadn't. If what you say is right then my hormones could be screwed up from the lyme too and that was why he was getting that reading about them with the magnets. I am so frustrated and planned on going to see him again in the next week or two and your thread has really made my mind up that it will be sooner than later. I have also been studying samento too and have found a lot of interesting info on some trials that were run in conjunction with antibiotic therapy.

I often think of the ER doctor who saw me after the neurologist loaded me with solu-medrol and about killed me. The ER doctor told me that it wasn't MS in his opinion and that some holistic type doctor would probably be the one to figure out what it is and would treat appropriately. Maybe he was right.

I'm not quite ready to jump ship on the antibiotics but am definitely going to spend a lot of time researching as you apparently have. I thank you for the kick in the pants and hope you are still doing great. Please keep me posted on your progress and if possible I still say I would love to know exactly what you have done and what to expect if you have it documented. You know that we are all praying for you to be the one since ekim feels Dr. Zhang's treatment is a bust.

It is my understanding that you need too do cat's claw for 8 months to a year and a half also. Is this what you have discovered? I know some other people are doing it too and some are doing it with antibiotics and I am not sure who says that's okay. Maybe an llmd. Maybe cat's claw doesn't create a problem if you want to do antibiotics too. I don't know.
Many questions but I will continue to find answers. Please share yours too.

Thanks again for the above thread it gives one food for thought.

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Old 03-18-2005, 09:22 PM   #4
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Re: Lyme. Why treatment is a$$ backwards

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Your post is very thought provoking and sounds like it could hold a lot of validity.

The one thing I wonder about though is with your theory is can the lyme bacteria survive without turning to the intestinal tract? They have found lyme bacteria in the hearts of people - the spirochetes apparently can make it into the brain too - that is why there is the big argument about which abx's to use - which ones permeate the blood brain barrier.

I agree - Akalize or Die! but I wonder if your theory of strengthening the intestinal tract would be enough to support a healthy immune system which then could handle the bacteria and kill it in all remote areas of the body. Maybe your theory is only applicable to those that have not already contracted lyme and you are saying that those that get it have set up an ideal environment for the bacteria to take hold.

Then there is the subject of coinfections like Babesia that only responds to antimalarials...
I'm sure the lyme bacteria can survive in most places..Just like bees leave the hive to go find food. I am sure its possible for the bacteria to make their way to the cranial nerves of the brain. But I feel strongly that it is the bodys inability to manufacture chemicals neccessary for proper nerve stimulation that results in the chronic symtoms. If some bacteria do reside in the brain, then they eventually will be subject to more oxygen,a change of alkalinity, and beneficial bacteria that will work to wipe it out.
Also, Lyme bacteria don't live for years. Their life cycle is relatively short. Once they die off, it will be difficult to reproduce in this new environment.

You can use doxy to pass the Blood Brain Barrier, but your body has its own mechanisms to rid bacteria in the brain. The host needs to restore an alkaline environment with lots of beneficial bateria to do the work. Beneficial bacteria do more then just help digestion.

There was a time in my life where I was on doxy for a year. I had more progress with this protocall in two weeks then in an entire year.

Again, if one uses antibiotics, they are destroying the very source that they need to win the battle. Adding beneficial bacteria is not enough during a heavy antibiotic treatment.

 
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Re: Lyme. Why treatment is a$$ backwards

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Then there is the subject of coinfections like Babesia that only responds to antimalarials...

Babesia, Bartonella, Syphillis and Lyme are all very much the same bacteria as you know. For a medical study to say that Babesia is ONLY erradicated by antimalarials- that means very little to me. Medical studies are based on medicine and unfortunately not on finding a way to change the host environment resulting in an uninhabitable enviroment.

Interrestingly enough Lyme disease isn't even "Lyme." It's a bacteria that has been around for hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Ticks from a hundered years ago were retained after people were infected from the bite. Just recently they were examined and found to contain the "Lyme" bateria.

I believe of all the symptoms suffered by people, the majory are due to the state of toxicity brought on by the years of degeneration. People with chronic lyme have no metabolism which is why their is almost no elimination. The body has so little nutrition being absored, its shuts down in order to hold onto what it has- including toxic waste.

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