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Old 08-15-2005, 08:52 AM   #1
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Wasp bite looks like Lyme

I was bitten by a wasp on my left arm 7 days ago. 2 days ago a perfect bulls-eye rash appeared in the area of the wasp bite. I have been to the doctor and they are treating me for alergic reaction instead of Lyme. I have read online that they are now finding other insects can spread Lyme as well. It is possible that I got bitten by a tick at the same time in the same spot but it seems unlikely at best. No other symptoms yet but the drugs that I am on for allergic reaction have not had any impact on the rash. It is swollen in the middle with a perfect bullseye ring around it. It feels very hot and itches only a little bit.

Anyone ever heard of such a thing?

 
Old 08-15-2005, 09:07 AM   #2
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

Hi D24Bishop,

Welcome to the board! Yes, I have read that many insects as well as birds carry Lyme Bacterias and can infect a person. One of our members was infected with Lyme Disease by fleas.

Lyme Disease is the 2nd fastest growing infectious disease in the U.S. after the AIDS Virus.

There is more than one type of Lyme Disease as that bacteria also transmits coinfections such as Babesiosis, Ehrlichiosis, Mycoplasma and more.

If you tell us where you live, Ticker should be on soon and can give you a name of a Lyme Literate Medical Doctor (LLMD) close to where you live as you should be treated by a specialist with the right medication.

I also suggest that you have your blood tested by IgeneX Labs located in Palo Alto, CA. Any doctor can sign for those tests.

If this is your first exposure, then consider yourself very lucky as Lyme Disease is easy to treat in the early stages.

If you wait, then it becomes Chronic Lyme and much more difficult to treat, I lost the use of my legs for a long time because I was not diagnosed right away after I was infected and now I have Chronic Lyme.

Good luck to you!
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:13 AM   #3
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I was stung 21 times by wasps 7 days before I was admitted into the hospital with what we now know was Lyme-related meningitis. I was also in Canada two weeks prior, so I would postulate that anything is possible. Research has proven that the bacterium that causes Lyme Disease exists in more vectors than just ticks, so definitely follow the advice in the previous post. Catch it now and you can prevent some of the problems others of us are experiencing.

 
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

Hi d24bishop, welcome to the board!

I am glad you posted. From what I understand, a Lyme rash can appear any time after a bite and does not have to be where the bite was. I wonder if you were bitten previoulsy and the rash coincidentally appeared by the wasp bite? Although only about 50% of people who have Lyme ever get a rash, a bullseye rash is a definite sign of Lyme disease.

It is a good idea to photograph the rash. Place something near it, like a coin or ruler before photographing to give it size defintion. Then you have evidence of it if needed later.

I would definitely take this seriously. Getting the proper treatment early in the infection may reduce the chance of long-term complications. It is very important to see a knowledgeble doctor. Besides Lyme, ticks can transmit several co-infections including Babesiosis, Ehrlichiosis (HME & HGE), Bartonella, and Mycoplasma. Many people who have Lyme are co-infected. It is important to be tested for these by a Lyme reputable lab.

If you post where you are located, I will give you the name of the closest knowledgeable doctor to you that I know of.

 
Old 08-16-2005, 04:50 AM   #5
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

I live in Rhode Island and spend a lot of time in Southeast Connecticut. Right where Lyme was discovered.

Thanks!

 
Old 08-16-2005, 09:21 AM   #6
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Dear d24bishop,

Welcome to the board.

You have come to the right place to not only get answers but a lot of heartfelt sympathy and understanding. We all know where you are at.

I was wondering if maybe you were bitten by the tick in the past and the wasp bite released or triggered something in your system to bring out the symptoms. Up to the point the wasp bit you you're immune system might have been handling the lyme as best it could. Some people actually have the bacteria in them but never have symptoms because their immune system is so strong.

Since you are having symptoms you definitely need to follow thru with testing and treatment because this is nothing to fool with believe me. A lot of us have symptoms we may never get rid of because the doctors all thought we were crazy not sick. Especially the ones who don't live in Connecticut. Keep us posted.

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Old 08-17-2005, 05:15 AM   #7
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

Got put on antibiotics yesterday. Rash is still growing and now it is becoming painful. Feels like I got a shot in the arm and almost looks bruised. Is this typical of a Lyme rash? I can't seem to find anyone with similar experience.

 
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

Hi d24bishop. What antibiotic and dose are you taking? Did you get photos of your rash?

Lyme rashes can vary and some people never get a rash.

I highly recommend that you see a Lyme doctor. The sooner you get the proper treatment, the better.

There is a Lyme doctor in Wilton, CT who comes very highly recommended. His name is Dr. Steven Phillips. I hope you can get an appointment wit him.

 
Old 08-17-2005, 02:32 PM   #9
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Ticker,
Yes I got photos of the rash in its various states. I look like a "Target" advertisement. I hope they don't come after me for trademark infringement. I will find out the name of the antibiotic. I'm on it for 21 days unless I start experiencing joint pain or other symptoms. The duration will then be changed to 28 days which seems to follow the guidlines I read about on the CDC website. The doctor I saw yesterday is checking with the hospital that did the blood tests to see if I need further testing for co-infections.

Thanks to everyone for the info. Its amazing the number of people who are sick.

-Dana-

 
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Hi Dana. It is good you have a sense of humor!

Three to four weeks is not long enough for Lyme treatment. From what I understand, the minimum treatment time for an infection caught within two weeks of the bite is six weeks of the proper dose antibiotic (which is often much stronger than for many infections). If the infection is longer or if symptoms are still present, further treatment is warranted. The antibiotics kill the bacteria when they are reproducing, which is estimated at around four weeks. Three to four weeks will not cover even one growth cycle.

The CDC is behind on their treatment guidelines. Getting the proper treatment early in the infection may reduce the chance of long-term complications. Please learn as much as possible so you can get the best treatment. I highly recommend the book "Everything You Need To Know About Lyme Disease" by Karen Vanderhoof-Forschner.

 
Old 08-18-2005, 07:21 AM   #11
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

Thanks Ticker.

The antibiotic is (I'm spelling it like it sounds) Doxycyclin HCL 100mg. twice a day. I feel a bit better today but the rash is still getting bigger. My doctor said that if any other symptoms persisted they would keep me on the antibiotics longer. Sounds like I need another three weeks!

Thanks again for your help!

-Dana-

 
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Dear Dana,

I can guarantee you that Ticker will be on to tell you the dosage isn't high enough. It should be 300 - 600 mg per day. While on the doxy be sure to stay out of the sun or you will burn badly. Also no dairy products for at least 1 hour either side of the meds. Same thing with calcium, magnesium,
and some other supplements. Be sure you take a good probiotic at least 2 hours after the meds to replace the good bacteria in your system so you don't develop a yeast infection. Lots of info but very important. Get well soon.
BDFM

 
Old 08-18-2005, 11:13 AM   #13
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It there a directory of Lyme qualified doctors somewhere? Wilton, CT is pretty far and I'm sure there must be someone in Rhode Island.

Thanks all!
-Dana-

 
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

Hi Dana. As Betterdays stated, 200 mg of Doxy is not strong enough for Lyme. I believe the recommended dose is 300-600 mg daily.

Unfortunately there are not many Lyme doctors. Many people have to travel to see one. I hope you can find one closer.

Be aware of the Jarisch-Herxheimer Reaction (herx). Often, when people with Lyme take antibiotics their symptoms may become worse or they may get new ones. The antibiotics are killing the bacteria, which release toxins, making them feel worse. It is very scary when it happens, but it is a good sign the antibiotics are working.

It is a good idea to document your symptoms. One way to do this is to write down the three main symptoms you have each day and a numerical rating of their severity from 1-10. Over time when you review this, you can pinpoint when your herxes occur and how you are responding to the meds.

 
Old 08-19-2005, 09:33 AM   #15
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Re: Wasp bite looks like Lyme

After everything I've read in the last week it seems that 6 weeks at 400-600mg per day of Doxy it the recommended dosage. Doxy looks like it is pretty effective against the co-infections as well. I'm trying to contact my doctor to see if we can do this.

Thanks again for all your help!

-Dana-

 
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