Romans... old ? on Nattokinase, Glutathione, Transfer Factor... - Lyme Disease Message Board

cjFTWORTH · 10-17-2005, 11:32 AM

Hey Romans and all...

Well, its noon and I've barely moved from computer today! Have been researching enzymes and trying to get my Rx's from canada straightened out...

To explain why I've pulled up an old postof shaynesmom... I tested positive for hypercoagulation and had been checking in to just what that meant and what my alternatives were to self-injected heparin shots. While doing this, was also reading up on WOBENZYM, even on ****, which I'm ready to go for but apparently can't take along with lumbrokinase (will explain..)

So today like many others, I've been reading up on hypercoagulation but found more about it in terms of chronic illnesses and much more comparing treatment alternatives. So I went ahead and ordered the Boluoke brand of lumbrokinase , which is touted as the best. Crist actually sells it for WAY under any other distributor... and it takes a Rx to buy it from many sites, including it's manufacturer. I was set on buying lumbrokinase through an organic pharmic i've been doing business with and felt pretty good about product but when I found I could get the Boluoke at the lower price, I decided I'd start with it, even though it is still more than the regular lumbrokinase. AND... apparently it is contraindacative to take other enzymes with lumbrokinase.

so, no to WOBENZYM for now...

So... it will be my next attempt at wellness. Well into neurotransmitter protocol. NEXT!

In researching all this, I found the following old post and couldn't help but share it with you Shanna because Crist proposes or closely proposes

the three items mentioned below...

The three (and the relationships) are: 1)L-glutamine (glutathione) - second derived from first, share some similar attributes, 2)Boluoke, (Nattokinase) - both reduce fibrin in the blood, Crist discusses research on both and recommends use of either product; 3)transfer factor - Crist cites a SC doc that is having great success with a very expensive autologous transfer factor.

Anyway, something for you to tuck away and look for in his literature on a rainy day...

Here is post from July that you may or may not remember reading... in my research on board, I find stuff that I've COMMENTED on that I have NO recollection of ever HEARING about!! eeks... need to get those buggars out of my brain...

Hi:

Here's some quick notes on Glutathione and Natto. I copied the glut. info from another online chat group. There's a guy over there (***** group) that's an expert on the big role glut. plays in recovering your health.

Glutathione:
Glutamate (or glutamic acid) is one of the amino acids that goes
into making glutathione. The other two are cysteine and glycine.

Many ppl w/chronic infections feel quite a bit better for a day or so
after getting IV glutathione. The half-life of IV glutathione in
human blood plasma is about 1.6 minutes. It is absorbed primarily
by the kidneys, which make use of it, and secondarily by the lungs,
which also have a major need for glutathione. Other organs absorb
lesser amounts. IV glutathione is not directly very beneficial to
the liver, because it is set up to put glutathione into the blood,
rather than to remove it from the blood. To help the liver's
glutathione status, it is necessary to supply the amino acids
orally, such as in nondenatured whey protein (RenewPro or ImmunoPro
Rx are the most potent sources), or N-acetylcysteine combined with
dietary protein.

Nattokinase is an enzyme that is supposed to improve bloodflow by reducing the thickness of blood. Another theory is that many ppl w/chronic infection have coagulation issues and do better when their blood is thinned out.

No time now to post the rest of my supplements.

Romans: I'm sure of the sixty you take each day you are probably covering all the bases.

Oh yeah, let me mention that the Transfer Factor and NADH seem to be helping out a lot too. They both help to build up the immune system.

Take Care

brennd8 · 11-06-2005, 10:52 PM

Hi Carol,
I pulled up your post because you brought up Glutathione.
Someone wrote to me about it in one of my post but I dont remember who it was and I am hoping that they see this and read it.
I was on IV Glutathione for about 7 months last year, this was before the diagnosis of lymes. It is a wonderful "Drug".
I called Dr Crist's office this week to ask them if they felt I could go on it because of the bad herxing I was experienceing with the Claforan IV and I know you need a Dr to order it for you.
They called me back and told me that they would reccomend that I go on it, but that I have to have my Family doctor prescribe it for me, that they won't do it. I explained that my GP doesn't do natural and they kinda just went "OH WELL" I was very frustrated because I want to be on this so badly on the days that I am not on the abx .
It is really good stuff and I really do reccommend it for every one.

cjFTWORTH · 11-07-2005, 07:47 AM

Morning Brenda,

How did you get it the first time?? And specifically, how did it help you? I think, not sure, that sleeperwoken takes it in pill form...
i think you can good a good quality, pharmaceutical grade of it in pill form if you go online and do some research...
another suggestion if you could afford it would be to go to health food store to see if you could get referral for a naturopathic doc that could do the iv for you...

sorry you KNOW of something that works for you but have doc who is unwilling to work with you... do you stay with him/her due to insurance?

Roman77 · 11-07-2005, 08:14 AM

Hi Cj...sorry that I never even saw this post! Must have been during one of my bad herxes or something. Anyway just wanted to see if you ended up starting the lumbrokinase and if ya did how it was going for you, if you're seeing in changes? Also how is the new neuro protocol going? I haven't started the new verision yet, am still finishing out my supply of the old. But I sure hope there are lots of positives there for you as well.

Also I just wanted to put out there that I started Wobenzyme about 3 weeks ago and I am hoping that the good things I'm seeing are related in part to it. I don't know if you knew this but in the book "how to beat lymes using god designed living" the doc mentions that there have been studies showing that besides being a natural blood thinner and immune system booster, Wobenzyme has also been shown to increase the effectiveness of antibiotics reaching more tissues by 40%! I was flabbergasted by that percentage and it makes me even happier to down the 8 to 11 pills 3 x day knowing that I'm killing more little buggers that way!

Anyway just wanted to check in with your progess and say that I finally saw your post, if just a "little" too late!

Shanna

6Blues · 11-07-2005, 09:18 AM

Hello cj.

For about a year I had blood tests report that they couldn't count my platelets because of clumping.

My LLMD started me on Bromelain, 2000mg per day. I buy the brand "pure encapsutations" it at my health food store. My LLMD mentioned that sticky blood is common for Lymies.

Having sticky blood scared me because of risk of stokes and heart problems. yikes.

After a few months my platelets unstuck and can now be counted.

I also have messed up nuerotransmitter levels. I've been taking 5-HTP to straighten mine out. 5-HTP is a precursor for many nuerotransmitters.

Not feeling well today so I hope I made sense.