There is a post from Jules in the lyme info thread at the top of this board that lists the symptoms very nicely. But, here is what Burrascano says about them;
Babesia-night sweats, air hunger, cough, pounding/skipping heartbeats, fever, chills, encephalopathy, imbalance without true vertigo.
Bartonella causes more central nervous system symptoms, agitation, anxiety, insomnia, seizures, cognitive deficits, confusion, gastritis, lower abdominal pain, sore soles of the feet especially in the morning, tendernodules in extremities, red rashes.
The tests for both can be inaccurate. Espicially Babesia which is basically "North American" malaria.
Thanks for writing that Frango.......I know I had/have?? Babesia...dna pos. but when they were doing all the testing Bartonella wasn't one on the list and I don't think I was ever tested. The Babesia was severe ...symptomwise I mean. ...but I do fit so well the bartonella ...need to be tested I guess. .....I have definitely been in denial......am not sure why I do that. I suppose because the alternative is acceptance and that I just refuse. .....at least as much as I can.
Yes. quite a few of the people on these boards have either one or both. I spoke to Dr. Harris myself and he said based on my symtpoms to be tested for bartonella, but it was negative. I also have a lot of Babesia symptoms and the babesia tests are even less realible. Look up Burrascano's article from Sept 2005 he goes into test reliability, symptoms and treatment options for lyme and all the co-infections.
hi guys! i did all the co infeccions, i tsted something for babesia, called doctor harris and did the FISH in babesia and was negative, so he told me my babesia test was negative, the babesia FISH is a very specific test, more sensible and expensive that the img, igg, the llmd i saw in ny wasnt sure if i had babesia, my doctors here doent think either.. so i guess the test helped me a little.. good luck
I was tested at quest for babesia. It was a positive 2.4. I did see this test results. The test is for only two of the many strains. The others can not be tested for at this time.
I'm not sure about the bartonella. I was told it was positive, but I never saw the results. I have symptoms for both.
I was tested for lyme at Igenex and all results were indeterminate. This was the first time I had been tested at Igenex. (18 yrs ago my lyme test was positive, at that time they did not know about the co-infections)
Last edited by Pearlscale; 03-21-2006 at 10:47 AM.
FISH is a genetic test. It stands for fluorescence in situ hybridization This is a different test from the blood tests for Babesia. The blood tests look for antibodies. The FISH test looks for specific DNA markers. They put the blood on a prepared slide and add different fluorescent dyes that they then look at under an electron microscope. They have found different markers for different diseases and that is how FISH is done. It takes more prep time and the scope is expensive so this test costs more than to IgG and IgM antibody tests.
Okay. However, many people (websites) talk about testing for Babesia FISH, in other words, they use the two words together. I just want to make sure I ask for the right tests on Wednesday. I was going for Bartonella and Babesia, but then I saw many suggestions to test for Babesia FISH so that is why I inquired. Maybe I'll just stick with Babs and Bart for now.
hi peregrine, there are a few names for babesia at igenex... i had done 3, beause babesia was the co infeccion that concern me the most, there other 3 are treated with same antibiotics as lyme, while babesia is a parasite, and treated with antiparasites..if you are really concern, have the igg, igm and the fish, doctor harris suggest me doing the FISH, my doctor told me that the FISH test was a very sofistiocated one, since they use i think nuclear contrasts, i understand is more acurate than the babesia microti agg and igm, and since my igm showed some titer, doctor harris did the FISH, if yiou are goint to have blood work done at igenex, i would do the FISH as well, specailly if you are really concern, thats me