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Old 07-09-2009, 05:38 AM   #1
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does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

my husband had a hijacking tick on him when we returned from northern MN this weekend. he took it off about 24 hours after we were back. when he showed me his leg he did have one of those bull's eye rashes described everywhere as being a sign of lyme disease. He's had no symptoms and I'm wondering if he should get checked anyway. I've searched everywhere and cannot find anything that says for sure a wood tick (we're sure it was a wood tick) can carry this disease.

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

A wood tick lives on deer and most definitely can carry Lyme. I would get it checked post haste! The sooner the better, really. Oftentimes symptoms do not appear right away. Mine came on very gradually in the beginning.

 
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:32 AM   #3
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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

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I found a pic of a very large and dark red bull's eye rash as an example. a site stated that the rash gets bigger as time progresses and I'll have to check to see if it's bigger. my husband's rash did not look like the one pictured. it was faint with one or maybe two thin light red circles. I'm wondering if someone could have this kind of bull's eye rash and NOT have lyme disease?? does anyone know?

of course the only way to know for sure is to have him tested. wish me luck convincing him to see a doc! the guy that hates doctors....oy, my head hurts! if it was me, I would have gone yesterday....and of course we're leaving on vacation on Saturday which means he's got to get in today or tomorrow.

thanks for your reply, I appreciate it!

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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

roseyone,

If your husband ends up with full-blown LD he will wish that he had been more proactive! Lyme is often a very serious, debilitating condition when not treated right away. My life has certainly not been the same these last 16 years of LD. I wouldn't wish this on anyone, especially when there is help available if treated NOW!

Jen

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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

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If your husbands ends up with full-blown LD he will wish that he had been more proactive! Lyme is often a very serious, debilitating condition when not treated right away. My life has certainly not been the same these last 16 years of LD. I wouldn't wish this on anyone, especially when there is help available if treated NOW!

Jen
oh dear, I am sorry for you! he just got home and the ring is definitely bigger now and he IS going to go see a doc tomorrow. I'm sure they'll get him in when he explains we're leaving on Saturday. I told him of all I learned today and now he's worried. so....it was easier than I thought to get him in to see a doc!

thanks again, I appreciate it.

 
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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

Take pictures of the rash. You WILL need proof if not now then on down the line.

If he has a rash he has lyme.

He needs to be seen by a Lyme Literate Medical Doctor. There are only a few.
After you leave there, where do you reside?

Post a new thread requesting a LLMD.

This is nothing to just pass off as a harmless bug bite.

The doctor will most likely put him on 100 to 200 mg of doxy. And say it will get rid of the lyme. This is NOT true. Get the medication and when you get to where you live hopefully he can see a LLMD, lyme specialist.

He will need to be tested for all co-infections also!

It can be passed sexually also. And from parent to baby. So take precautions.

Jodie

 
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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

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my husband had a hijacking tick on him when we returned from northern MN this weekend. he took it off about 24 hours after we were back. when he showed me his leg he did have one of those bull's eye rashes described everywhere as being a sign of lyme disease. He's had no symptoms and I'm wondering if he should get checked anyway. I've searched everywhere and cannot find anything that says for sure a wood tick (we're sure it was a wood tick) can carry this disease.

any advice would be greatly appreciated.

thanks so much!
Symptoms generally take about 2 weeks to develop, but by then the rash might have faded...

1st, take a picture of the rash.

2ndly, go to the nearest clinic or hospital emergency room and see a Dr, ASAP!!!

Early diagnosis and treatment increases the probability of successful treatment. Additionally, if your husband falls into the subgroup of Lyme sufferers who consistently test negative for LD, then this might be his only chance to get treatment because they might not believe him in the future after the rash fades. Right now this disease can be treated with $10 of tetracycline or $50 worth of doxycycline. Waiting can be very expensive.

 
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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

thanks everyone for your replies. He ended up going to urgent care last night due to the description of his rash. that doc did not think it was lyme(and I don't think I believe him, nor did he seem very knowledgeable based on what I've read here and elsewhere on the web) because the rash was not a complete ring(????) and because my husband had no other symptoms. I knew before I read the responses here that the other symptoms could take a little while to appear. so, the doc gave him 3 choices. take 2 doxycylin (not sure the amt) last night as a precaution since he didn't think it was lyme, get a 14 day supply of antibiotic or do nothing. hubby chose the 2 pills and we'll wait to hear what the blood tests show.

one thing I noticed was that today the rash is starting to fade. yesterday was the day it looked the worst. and from what I've read the ring continues to get darker and uglier and this is not happening. I will watch him for these other symptoms until we hear the blood test results.

thanks again for all the responses. I appreciate it greatly.

 
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oh yea, I did take pics of the rash tonight for just in case.....

 
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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

roseyone,

We have all expressed here the importance of seeing an LLMD and being tested at a proper Lyme lab, such as Igenex in Palo Alto. Likely the tests he just took will come back negative and then your husband will think there is nothing more to do.

The Lyme spirochetes replicate every 28 days. Once they go from the blood into the tissues they start their heyday in every bodily system and it is then much more difficult to treat. Most docs I have encountered do not understand Lyme. The literate ones are few and far between but it is worth your time to try to find one in your area. One needs to be very proactive with this illness, that means a lot research, reading, etc. I have found forums the best source of reliable information.

Wishing you all the best,

Jen

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Re: does rash always mean it's lyme disease?

Hi roseyone60. Two Doxycyline will not do anything for a Lyme infection.

The rash is only one possible symptom. Lyme disease is a multi-system bacterial infection. This is what needs treatment. Most people test negative early in the infection. From what I understand, the The ELISA or titer test is the least reliable test and the one most doctors run first. It catches only about 30% of true infections. Is this the test he had done?

A bulls-eye rash is a definite sign of Lyme. Having the rash merits treatment. Only about 50% of people who have Lyme ever get a rash. People who get the rash are lucky if they recognize it. Early infections are curable.

Often people can keep symptoms at bay for a long time, even years, until their immune system becomes additionally suppressed from an illness, accident, divorce, etc. Then symptoms emerge. Then because the infection has been present for a long time, it is much harder to treat. Sadly, you can find stories like this from too many people. Your husband has an opportunity to eradicate this infection now with proper treatment.

I know we may sound like fanatics, but he has an opportunity that most of us wish we had. Once time has passed, you cannot go back.

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thanks everyone for your replies. He ended up going to urgent care last night due to the description of his rash. that doc did not think it was lyme(and I don't think I believe him, nor did he seem very knowledgeable based on what I've read here and elsewhere on the web) because the rash was not a complete ring(????) and because my husband had no other symptoms. I knew before I read the responses here that the other symptoms could take a little while to appear. so, the doc gave him 3 choices. take 2 doxycylin (not sure the amt) last night as a precaution since he didn't think it was lyme, get a 14 day supply of antibiotic or do nothing. hubby chose the 2 pills and we'll wait to hear what the blood tests show.

one thing I noticed was that today the rash is starting to fade. yesterday was the day it looked the worst. and from what I've read the ring continues to get darker and uglier and this is not happening. I will watch him for these other symptoms until we hear the blood test results.

thanks again for all the responses. I appreciate it greatly.
If it is LD then 2 Doxy capsules will not be enough. He should have at least two weeks and preferably a month of Doxy. Ditto for tetracycline. Elisa Blood testing is not reliable at this stage (unless you requested a C-6 test) and won't be until 6 weeks or so after infection (and not very good then), however, the 2 doxy capsules that he has taken will reduce his serological response so that he will probably test false negative in future testing even if he is infected.

 
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Hi duncan. From what I understand, six weeks of the proper dose antibiotic is the the minimum treatment time for an infection caught within two weeks of the bite. The antibiotics kill the bacteria when they are reproducing which is estimated at four weeks. Six weeks of treatment will cover one growth cycle. If symptoms are still present, further treatment is warranted. A longer infection needs longer treatment.

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