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Old 10-22-2007, 07:34 PM   #1
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Removing a Lymph Nodes for Biopsy?

Three weeks ago I had a sharp pain in my right ingunial area (Lymph node near where my leg connects to my torso). It wasnt until i felt the pain that I felt a lump in my lymph node. Went to my faimily doctor and they took me right over to have a CT scan. Doctor gave me some pain medicine. He refered me to a specialist for the remaining of this problem.

Last thrusday I met with the specialist and he read me the CT results. 3.4 x 2.5 cm node. He recomended a biopsy for this Thursday 10-25-07. The results stated that the finding were suspicious for lymphoma.

Everything feels like it is moving too fast. My pain has subsided. Since neither doctor did anytype of bloodwork, I am not sure I want this specialist to cut on me yet. I call and delayed the biopsy for a few weeks. I just wanna see if this lypmph node goes down any.


So I have several questions for everyone.

If I do have lymphoma, what should I be looking for?
What are the consquences of having a node removed?
If it is not Lymphoma, how long for this swelling to go down?

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Old 10-23-2007, 06:54 AM   #2
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Re: Removing a Lymph Nodes for Biopsy?

Wow, I'd say they're moving quick too.
usually they give the patient a round of antibiotics first before they do a biopsy to see if it's an infection or bacterial problem.
THEN if it doesn't go down, they do a biopsy.
scans of any type can NOT detect if a mass is a malignancy. ONLY a biopsy can detect a malignancy for sure, and sometimes they are misdiagnosed.
so it's always good to always get a 2nd opinon and even a 3rd opinion if the patient wants it.
the first pathologist who will be reading the biopsy may not detect a malignancy because there's over 30 different subtypes of lymphomas. whereas there's only one hodgkins lymphoma.
so a 2nd person to read it from a seperate lab can make SURE nothing was missed. there's a better chance of a non misdiagnosis by having it read a 2nd time.
there's 3 ways they can biopsy it:
there's excisional which they do by removing the entire mass, or they can take a piece of the tissue and view it or they can do a needle biopsy which is called a fine needle aspiration.
they don't recommend a needle biopsy because they're not 100% accurate, one because enough tissue might not have been taken, 2nd, the cores they took out may not have retrieved any of the bad cells.
I"d opt for the excisional.
some masses can not be reached and are hard to get at, so they have no choice other than to use a needle biopsy vs an excisional.

my spouse is worrying too that the idea of having to remove the entire lymph node on my neck may be more harmful than good because he says I need my lymph nodes. I dont' agree with that statement because we have many other lymph nodes to do the job. our body won't miss one of them.
it's far better to know you have one less lymph node and know if you have a malignancy or not so they can treat it.

I don't see the harm of having the biopsy.
if you feel you need more time for yourself to accept the possiblity you may have a malignancy, then you can wait a week.
waiting a week or two longer shouldn't make a difference at this point.
because the stages they have to take, if it's a malignancy is long.

most dr's say the percentage of it being a malignancy is small because there's so many diseases that can cause a lymph node to swell.
cat scratch disease, infections, bacteria, etc.

the radiologist who read my first cat scan and first mri report back in 1997, thought my node looked highly suspicious for a form of lymphoma and they suggested biopsy immediately.
just to read that paragraph on the report freaked me out!
but when they did the biopsy, it wound up it was NOT a lymphoma after all.
I even got a 2nd opinion by the dr's choice. He sent it away to another lab without even asking me if I wanted it or not. so you see? it's good to get a 2nd opinion. they expect you to.
plus you see, the radiologist that reads the scans aren't always right either.
the only way to know is thru a biopsy.
I really hope it's not a lymphoma.
take your time if you need it.
good luck

sincerely,
Linda

 
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Re: Removing a Lymph Nodes for Biopsy?

Thank you very much for the reposnse Linda. I am convinced I ned to get a second opinion. My Doctor called today and was concerned that I had cancelled Thursday. He wanted to meet with me Sat. morning to discuss the CT report again and recomend a different specialist to get a second opinion. I also am planning on going to an alternative doctor.

I am really concerned I didn't get any antibiotics or blood work first. He did say that i did not have just one lymph nodes swollen, that I had several swollen. He also stated 4-5 weeks was too long to put it off.

I am also not sure about the effect of having a lymph node removed. They are there for a reason, but I dont know what might happend in the future by not having a lymph node. I am also concern about any side effects removing the Lymph node might cause.

 
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Re: Removing a Lymph Nodes for Biopsy?

JB, the fact that your dr is so concerned and is saying not to wait very long to check this out has me worried.
what can an alternative dr do at this point?

I searched to see if there's any risks to removing a lymph node anywhere in the body and nothing is showing up. the only risk's they spoke of is this:

With this test there is a small chance of infection or bleeding. Additionally, there is a moderate risk of nerve injury, localized paralysis, or numbness when the biopsy is performed on a lymph node close to nerves.
so basically they're saying this risk is only if it's close to nerves.


I do recall that when woman had mastectomies to remove their breasts from breast CA that they'd also remove multiple nodes to see if they were malignant, not just one. which could lead to the arm becoming swollen because the lymph channel wasn't able to work properly after removing them.

If there are multiple nodes that are swollen and malignant, they don't cure the cancer by removing all the nodes, they only remove ONE to test it and they may only take a piece of it and not the entire node. they have to use a form of therapy to erradicate the malignancy, not remove all the nodes.
is this what you're worried about up the road?
that it may effect your leg? or is it the immune system you're worried about being effected?

I could not find anywhere that by removing one node would effect your body up the road.

are you going to meet with this dr on sat. to go over the results? if so, can you ask him why he is not recommending antibiotics that could possibly make the nodes go down? this way they could tell then if you'd need the biopsy or not?

another question I have for you is: do you not want to take an antibiotic? some people don't like to take them. Is this why you want to see a holistic dr. instead?

I'm curious to see what their approach would be.
have you found one yet?

 
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Re: Removing a Lymph Nodes for Biopsy?

I set up a visit with another Specialist and it's on Nov 5th. If the second doctor recommends removal of the node, its what I will do. I have a copy of my CT scan for him to look at.

The information you have above is very helpful concerning removing the lymph node. Sounds like the risk is minimal. I am not worried about the treatment later if it turns up positive. I guess I would do whatever needs to be done at that point. The specialist stated there was a medication I would start taking.

I asked my doctor about antibiotics and he shook his head and said the only real way to know is to do a biopsy. That is what has me concerned. If the test is negative, what would be the next step? If its antibiotics, why not try that first?


The reason to look at an alternative doctor would be to understand the concerns they have with removing a lymph node.

Thank you very much for all the information Lintek.

 
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