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Old 01-10-2008, 08:15 AM   #1
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High Estrogen, low Testosterone need solutions

I am a 60 year old male with hypertension, brain fog, zero libido, fatigue, loss of interest in all hobbies, very emotional and no attention span. I had my hormones tested with the following results: Estrogen = 128.5 pg/ml Range 40 - 115 pg/ml,
Free Testosterone = 11 pg/ml Range 5.6 - 19 pg/ml
Testosterone = 4.03 ng/ml Range 2.8 - 8 ng/ml
Family Dr stated Estrogen is slightly elevated everything else in range is OK.
He sent me to an Endo, The Endo tried to blame symptoms on a bad Thyroid,
11 years ago I had radiation treatment for throat cancer. Thyroid test came back good. Endo says he can't help. All the stuff I read, my estrogen is way to high and my testosterone is to low. I started taking 450mg of DIM daily, and putting on progesterone cream. I also have testosterone powder on order. Endo stated to increase testosterone above my present level can cause cardio problems. I don't accept their concepts and looking for solutions to my problem.
Please help.

 
Old 01-10-2008, 08:49 AM   #2
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Re: High Estrogen, low Testosterone need solutions

I would go to another endo. T does not cause cardio problems. It reduces cardio problems. Or go back to this endo with information youcan attain from the web and prove him wrong if your pcp will not recommend you to another endo. he should have at least given you something to reduce your estrogen numbers and investigated why they were high. high estrogen cna reduce T.

What were you thyroid numbers. They have changed and most labs havn't changed yet and most doctors just look at the results and say ok. A bad thyroid can cause T to be low but that wouldnt' explain why your Estrogen was so high.

I've never heard of T powder. TRT is either a patch, gel, or injections.

 
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Old 01-10-2008, 09:20 AM   #3
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Re: High Estrogen, low Testosterone need solutions

Thank you for your reply. I live in a very rural area and we don't have much of a choice for endo. The T powder is not T but is T stimulator powder you put in water. I have a high allergic re-action to artificial drugs since my cancer treatment and we are sticking to natural drugs for now. I just received my TSH levels. TSH = 4.91 Range .27 - 4.2 ul/ml
T4 = 1.06 Range .7 - 1.7 ng/dl
T3 = 3.8 Range 2.6 - 4.4 pg/ml
The only thing is the TSH and this is the output of the pituitary and I don't know what a high TSH indicates.

 
Old 01-10-2008, 12:40 PM   #4
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Thank you for your reply. I live in a very rural area and we don't have much of a choice for endo. The T powder is not T but is T stimulator powder you put in water. I have a high allergic re-action to artificial drugs since my cancer treatment and we are sticking to natural drugs for now. I just received my TSH levels. TSH = 4.91 Range .27 - 4.2 ul/ml
T4 = 1.06 Range .7 - 1.7 ng/dl
T3 = 3.8 Range 2.6 - 4.4 pg/ml
The only thing is the TSH and this is the output of the pituitary and I don't know what a high TSH indicates.
current ok range for TSH is .27 - 2.99. you are hypo. being hypo will cause low T. your t4/t3 nubmers are fine which basically means the pit is working right. your thyroid might be your problem and needs to be treated. Synthroid is the replacement hormone for that. Its a very delicate hormone that has tob e taken by itself. no ohter oral medicines can be taken at the same time. My doc said give a hour and a half between taking anyother med.

you also got to remember that hormones aren't drugs they are hormones taht naturally occur in your body. hormone enhancers are very spotty adn dont work over long periods of time. T isn't even an oral medicine its topical or an injection.

I'm not saying dont try your powder just saying it might not be the cure your looking for. It might put a bandaid on it for a bit.

 
Old 01-11-2008, 08:59 AM   #5
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Hello, First off, when you say Estrogen do you mean total E or Estradiol? that makes a HUGE differance. Second drop that Dr. he does not know what he is talking about. Third, work on lowering the E with DIM and ZINC, forget the T booster powder, and here is why! There is something messed up in your system that is converting too much T to E, so by adding something to boost T, assuming it works, will most likely just boost your E. Dr. John Crisler is a leader in this field and I believe you can do a phone consult with him... might be worth looking into.... oh and also...high E in men is supposedly caused many times by alchol use and being overweight, if either or both of these apply you may want to cut back on the drink and work on losing some weight.....

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Old 01-11-2008, 07:16 PM   #6
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Jinxy is right on spot. Your problem is high estrogen it seems. Do not take any T replacment at this time. Try lowering E first. Jinxy hit on all the right things to try. You have already tried DIM. Try Indoplex with DIM by Photopharmica. Not all DIM's are equal. Also try 30 mg of zinc per day, Resveratrol (2 - 200 mg caps per day). In addition as Jinxy said, cut back on alcohol and lose any extra fat if possible. All of these will help. There are also prescriptions you can take to lower E like arrimidex. Finally another prescription drug, clomid, can block the E from attaching to the receptors in your hypothalmus. This can help raise T.

You should also know that the current thinking is that it is high estrogen that causes prostate problems, not high T as was previously thought. So you really need to deal with the high E, especially at your age.

I think what your doctor is talking about with the heart problems is that sometimes T replacement can "thicken" your blood..... meaning it can raise your red blood count which causes your blood to be thicker. This can be problematic but it is not that common and usually only occurs when T replacement dose is too high. In any event I don't think you need T replacement...you need to reduce Estrogens.

Also, your TSH is way too high. TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) is secreted by the pituitary in your brain to tell your pituitary to make more T3 and T4. It can also effect other organs in the body especially when too high. It should be under 3. Synthroid is the solution (or another drug called Armour). If TSH is too high it can also cause the thyroid to swell.

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Old 01-14-2008, 05:41 AM   #7
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Re: High Estrogen, low Testosterone need solutions

Hayfarmer and Jinx I want to thank you for replying to my solution. I did start on DIM. I am taking 450 mg per day and 30 mg of Zinc. My wife also suggested for me to rub on progesterone daily as this prevents testosterone from converting to DHT and helps to prevent estrogen. Jinx, they only tested for estrogen I can't get them to test for anything else. I heard from the Endo and he said my TSH is slightly elevated but not to worry and that since my T3 & T4 are good there is nothing he can do for me. Someone said that most of these Endo's only know about Thyroid and Diabetes, I guess that is true. As for my weight I weigh the same for 25 years give or take a pound and as far as alcohol I have a glass of red wine with dinner and I have done that for years. I haven't received the T stimulant yet, so I haven't started anything. After using DIM and Zinc with the progesterone cream for 2 weeks I am slowly starting to feel better. Maybe it is working. Again thank you for your input.

 
Old 01-14-2008, 08:36 AM   #8
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Couple thoughts... In regards to the progesterone cream. if you are trying to get your libido back then you do not want to suppress DHT, DHT will cause you to lose your hair, get acne and be prone to anger. If this is not part of your concern at the moment I would not mess with DHT. Also in regards to your weight. You say that your weight has not change in 25 years but has your body fat %.... ? this is actually of more concern that LBS becuase the excess fat is what causes more T to convert to E2 thru the aramatose enzyme. good luck

 
Old 01-14-2008, 10:27 AM   #9
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Jinxy, I don't know what you are trying to tell me. Since I started using progesterone cream I feel better and my libido has improved. As for the % of body fat I don't think it has changed significantly. Physically, I am in pretty good shape. What I am concerned about is hypertension, I can't take prescription meds for this, I have a severe reaction to all drugs tried by my FD. My other concerns are brain fog, low libido, fatigue, occasional ED, short term memory problems and loss of interest in work, hobbies, etc. I know my estrogen is high and my T is low. I want to reverse these. Thanks for your help.

 
Old 01-14-2008, 01:38 PM   #10
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Jinxy, I don't know what you are trying to tell me. Since I started using progesterone cream I feel better and my libido has improved. As for the % of body fat I don't think it has changed significantly. Physically, I am in pretty good shape. What I am concerned about is hypertension, I can't take prescription meds for this, I have a severe reaction to all drugs tried by my FD. My other concerns are brain fog, low libido, fatigue, occasional ED, short term memory problems and loss of interest in work, hobbies, etc. I know my estrogen is high and my T is low. I want to reverse these. Thanks for your help.
Well, What I am trying to say is that lowering DHT with the issues you stated is not neccesary. I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but I have never heard of a man taking progesterone cream... maybe i am missing some pertainent info... I mentioned your weight vs bf% becuase we all know that as us men age many get the spare tire and some without a sugnificant rise in overall bodyweight but with a noted change in bf%... I just said be aware that just becuase your weight has not changed if your bf% had risen you could still be increasing your chance to convert more T to E2... does not sound like that is your issue....becuase of increased bf that is...obviously something is causing the conversion...

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Old 01-14-2008, 09:05 PM   #11
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There are many causes to increasing estrogen in men as they age. Body fat is one of them. That is why Jinxy was asking about body fat....he did not ask if it had changed but how much to do you have. Fat contains the enzyme aromatase which converts T to E. Your T level is low and your E level is high. High E can cause low T. The reasonable conclusion is that your T is low because your E is high. It sounds like you are doing the right things. I"m also not sure about the progesterone creme but I have heard of using that....not not sure of what effect it has. Otherwise the DIM and zinc are right. If you have excess body fat, losing it will help....even if you have not gained weight you may find you need to lose some as you age to keep hormones in check. Resveratrol is another supplement that will help keep down aromatase as well as it is a strong anti-oxident. One glass of wine a day is not a problem. Do you exercise? That my help too.

 
Old 01-15-2008, 05:43 AM   #12
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Thank you for your input and support. Some more info, I believe that chemo started my problem, because after cancer treatment I started getting very emotional over silly things and I believe this is a sign of increase in estrogen.
Last night was the first indication of what I am doing is correct in that the first time in months my blood pressure has dropped & I didn't feel as fatigued. My wife suggested the progesterone cream because it helps balance estrogen. I do take L-Arginine and Omega 3 and Co-enzyme 10 as anti-oxidants for my blood pressure. I feel confident that if I keep this plan going I will be heading towards normal in a couple months. Thanks again for your help and I believe I have a solution.

 
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