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Old 04-27-2010, 02:56 AM   #1
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Clomid for low T?

I'm 35, and just finished a 6-month course of clomid. While on clomid I had my T level increase from < 200 to around 700. When I started to taper off of it (50mg/day to around 50mg/2x weekly) I felt great, like I was 18 again. As soon as I stopped taking Clomid altogether, I went right back to < 200.

My endo did not consider keeping me on Clomid outside of that 6 month period, but I really did not press her about it either. She put me on androderm, and I'm actively trying to find alternatives to it, and TRT in general.

How long have some of you used Clomid? I have an appointment with my endo later this week, and plan to ask her about continuing on a low dose of Clomid instead of TRT, at least for a while. If other endo's are prescribing Clomid for > 6 months, I'd love to know.

 
Old 04-30-2010, 10:18 AM   #2
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Re: Have you used clomid for low T? How Long?

Dave,

My doc put me on Clomid in March 2007 as a test to see what it did. The dose was 25 mg (half a pill) 2 or 3 times per week. The Clomid raised my total T from around 300 to around 800. This told me that my testicles are able to produce T, but weren't getting the chemical signal to do it. Then the doc told me I couldn't stay on Clomid because it had only been used on men for 1 to 2 years and the side effects were unknown, and that Androgel was a proven treatment. He put me on 5 grams per day of Androgel and my total T went from around 300 to around 500, but three months later it was back to 300. No good. The doc told me to continue Androgel for a year. I decided to find a new doc.

The new doc put me on Clomid in Feb 2008 at 25 mg 3 times per week. I asked if it was safe to stay on it since it was obviously working for me. He said he had had men on it for 7 years at that time and that Androgel hadn't even been on the market that long. My total T varied from 700 to 1100 the first year on Clomid. Since then it has varied from 400 to 700. The highest readings are when I take 50 mg of pregnenolone daily. This is an otc supplement and is the hormone from which all other hormones are made. I also take 50 mg per day of DHEA but that doesn't seem to affect my T levels much.

Since I got my T levels back up to around 500 I have gotten rid of the night sweats, mild depression, lethargy, and my libido has returned. I can't recommend it highly enough! I'm in my early 50's, and while I can't claim that I feel like I did at 25, I feel a heck of a lot better than I did in my late 40's. I'm less concerned with the side effects of Clomid than with the side effects of low T.

 
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:25 PM   #3
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Re: Have you used clomid for low T? How Long?

Thanks for the response. I saw my endo this morning and she agreed to let me stay on a low dose of Clomid for a year. Hopefully after a year, she'll just continue to write the prescriptions . I am going to finish the last 9 or 10 Androderm patches and use that time to let the Clomid kick in. I've only been on Androderm for a couple of months, and am happy to give it up, at least for awhile.

Surprisingly my endo wasn't very specific on the dosage of Clomid. She said "2 or 3 times a week". I'll start with the 25mg 3x per week and will have my numbers tested again in a couple of months.

Thanks again... I may look into the otc suggestion as well.

 
Old 05-03-2010, 12:50 AM   #4
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Re: Have you used clomid for low T? How Long?

Dave,

If you've got a doc that will keep you on Clomid for a year you're pretty lucky! There aren't too many that will do that.

Clomid has a half-life of several days so it sticks around in your system for a while. That's probably why she wasn't too specific about the dosage. I have not found much difference between 25 mg and 50 mg, nor between 2x and 3x per week. It seems that as long as you have a certain minimum level in your system it does its job and increasing that level doesn't make much of a difference.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 
Old 05-11-2010, 01:02 PM   #5
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Re: Clomid for low T?

Limiting xenoestrogen exposure and taking DIM (or a ton of Brocoli) each day seems to help with me. While I have not done any blood tests the occasional "morning wood" every few months has turned in to 5-10 times a night... every time I wake up. Indication that something is going on.

Also taking COQ10, L-Carnitine (Fumate), zinc, selenium and 1000mg of vitamin C. I basically took the vitamin my wifes doctor recommended and split it up into different subcomponents.

 
Old 05-12-2010, 04:32 AM   #6
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Re: Clomid for low T?

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Limiting xenoestrogen exposure and taking DIM (or a ton of Brocoli) each day seems to help with me. While I have not done any blood tests the occasional "morning wood" every few months has turned in to 5-10 times a night... every time I wake up. Indication that something is going on.

Also taking COQ10, L-Carnitine (Fumate), zinc, selenium and 1000mg of vitamin C. I basically took the vitamin my wifes doctor recommended and split it up into different subcomponents.
My biggest problem is low energy and pretty significant brain fog. Did you have any trouble with brain fog and/or fatigue before? What effect has the DIMM had on those symptoms?

 
Old 08-25-2010, 09:02 AM   #7
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Re: Clomid for low T?

In my area I can't find anyone who will prescribe Clomid or HcG for low T or arimidex to counteract estradiol. Does DIM work well? Have been on TRT but didnt like the shrinkage of course.

 
Old 08-25-2010, 05:37 PM   #8
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Re: Clomid for low T?

I have been on Clomid for about a year now. Got results with 50mg 3x/week. Doc tapered me to 25mg after about 4 months and levels dropped. May I went back to original dosage and levels began to rise once again. Right now about 500 would love to be at about 800 but doubt I will get there. Endo said stay on dosage until year end then test again and then start to taper again.

Symptoms are better but not gone yet.....anxiety seems to arrive at about 300's and is now much better, energy level still is a little low but better....libido is there but ED is still an issue and morning wood is sproractic at best could live with everything at current level but the ED....hate being inconsistent in ability to perform and that causes me the most heartache.

Really concerned about what will happen when I taper again.....not convinced things will stay up.....

Background....very healthly very fit 45yr old....never would think I was suffering. Inflamatory digistive disease pushed me into this....disease is much better but low t still an issue. Doc thinks powerful drugs used to put disease into remission countered the Clomid during firstround of clomid....hoping now that I will get results needed.

If things revert I may be in line for shots etc. Endo doesn't recommend Androgel.....like testim better to be absorbed. Hope don't need it but not convinced yet.

Good luck this really sucks....caused me depression.....marital issues and general dislike of what is otherwise a good life.

Lou

 
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Re: Clomid for low T?

How did you get your endo to Rx Clomid? Mine wont. T=231

 
Old 10-16-2010, 12:09 PM   #10
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Re: Clomid for low T?

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How did you get your endo to Rx Clomid? Mine wont. T=231
My endo first put me on Clomid just to see if it would kick start my system, and also to determine if my problem was primary (testicles) or secondary (brain/pituitary). It did raise my T while I was on it, but did not keep me up while I tapered off.

Afterwards, my endo tried to put me back on TRT, and I basically asked how long she was comfortable with my being on Clomid. She offered to let me stay on for a year. Basically it was just to put off TRT as long as possible.

Some docs will do Clomid if you still plan to have kids.

 
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Re: Clomid for low T?

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How did you get your endo to Rx Clomid? Mine wont. T=231
Didn't have to push...Endo immediately put me on it with thought of it jump starting my system which was thought to have been knocked off due to high stress and gastro inflamatory disease.

It worked for a while but as I tapered off so did results...went back on for another 6 months but results have been less.

Switched to a new Endo and hoping for a different strategy. Still have anxiety (some) less energy and significant lack of libido and ed.

Hoping to hear new strategy next week.

Lou

 
Old 10-18-2010, 07:30 AM   #12
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Re: Clomid for low T?

Your endo must be more enlightened than mine. I'm in south central NY state.

 
Old 10-21-2010, 03:46 PM   #13
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Re: Clomid for low T?

Hey Lou I have an appointment with your original endo in 2 weeks. Were you not satisfied with his approach, and what do you hope to gain from your new endo? What therapy do you think would be the best in your case? TIA!

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Re: Clomid for low T?

not satisfied from a standpoint of accessiblity and a wait and see approach. I am a patient man but after a year plus I don't feel I am making sufficient progress....so I looked for alternatives

Met with new Endo about 10 days ago....ordered labs and just got results. My T levels are up significantly but so are my estrogen levels....so one is cancelling out the other....therefore I still have symptoms. New Endo wants to taper me off clomid right away and see if T levels stick and Estrogen levels drop....feels clomid at this point maybe culprit to my high estrogen levels. We are both hopeful that things might work out for me on a natural level....but if not he is willing to look at other alternatives if my T levels drop which is a distinct possibility as the tapering off occurs.

I will keep board informed of progress....

one odd thing....my vitamin D levels were very low.....Endo recommended high dosage of D supplements asap as he was concerned....never heard of this issue and have had no health specific issues because of it......any thoughts anyone?

 
Old 10-23-2010, 08:37 AM   #15
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Re: Clomid for low T?

Thanks for the reply Lou, I will update after my first visit. On other boards people are always discussing the importance of vitamin D, saying it is low in most people. I take D3 6000 IU a day, have been for the past few months. Some recommend even more! I also take flaxseed, zinc, magnesium, and a standard multi-vitamin daily.

Mitch

 
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