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Old 03-26-2013, 04:31 AM   #1
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MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

i have seen under active thyroid mimics MS. but there are not much talks about if overactive thyroid does that too. when i look at the symptoms it seems it can! what do you think? and if yes, why people havent talked about it ?

going through tests needs a lot of patience. and there is no other way.

i had - was told - that i have carpal tunnel for 10 months. finally the hand surgeon said no u dont have it. such a shame, so much chronic pain i had all this time. such a shame that i was telling to my doctor that when i walk my hands get numb and my back gets numb and heavy and they didnt tell me that it is not CT!

and i did blood test last months and i have hyperthyroid .. and i have many MS symptoms too. the neurologist asked me to do MRI tests etc as well to see .. it is sometimes easier that u rule things out one by one. but when they overlap? i dont know.

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

Shahila,

Welcome.

Your neurologist is taking care of the major medical issue first, your thyroid. The MRI will help by looking for signs of lesions, but right now your thyroid stands between you and MS possibilities. You could have both, but your doctor appears to be trying to filter your symptoms so that he is not looking at any over lapping symptoms. I think you are in the hands of a capable doctor.

Studies published by the American Academy of neurology found that thyroid disorders were at least three times more common in women with MS.

Graves disease is a hyperthyroid disease. As to early signs of hyperthyroidism:
You may feel nervous, moody, weak, or tired.
Your hands may shake, your heart may beat fast, or you may have problems breathing. You may be hot and sweaty or have warm, red, itchy skin.
You may have more bowel movements than usual.
You may have fine, soft hair that is falling out. You may lose weight even though you eat the same or more than usual.
OR OR OR You might not show any symptoms.

Of the aforementioned symptoms, I have had all of them except the soft hair falling out, weight loss, and the heart beat.

It may take some time, but I think you have found the right steps to take towards a diagnosis. There are boards on this site which might also help you- namely the Thyroid Disorder board. If MS is one of the directions you are headed, you have found the right place. You are not alone.
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Old 03-26-2013, 06:38 AM   #3
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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

thanks! i have seen your prompt comments on other posts. u r kind

numbness/tingling.electric sensations/weakness/fatigue/pain/heaviness, ...seem to be definitely an autoimmune issue ( or a combination ) , but the symptoms overlap with few things.

So regardless of being ms or not, i ll update here in a while - hopefully it will be useful for others who are worried about their ms symptoms.
i wish you the best :x:x

 
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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

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thanks! i have seen your prompt comments on other posts. u r kind

numbness/tingling.electric sensations/weakness/fatigue/pain/heaviness, ...seem to be definitely an autoimmune issue ( or a combination ) , but the symptoms overlap with few things.
No worries. All of your symptoms noted here in the quote, I have had and still "enjoy" quite often. I would have to say that if your thyroid is attended to soon, continue onward and seek the counsel of an MS Specialist to be thorough.
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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

Shalia,
Hyperthyroidism, or overactive thyroid, is also a type of autoimmune disease when it is Graves Disease...their are several different types of overactive thyroids including Thyroiditis, thyroid nodules, and even excess iodine can cause hyperthyroidism. There really arent very many symptoms which mimic MS in any of these diseases....things like hair falling out, isnt a MS symptom. Other symptoms including double vision, frequent loose bowels, thinning skin, shakey hands- none of these are MS symptoms.

The great part about hyperthyroidism is a simple blood test can diagnose it! There is no " What if?" about it...its a 100% accurate test. There is also treatment for it~ thus its nothing like MS in any way.

Its interesting to me that you were also told you have Carpal Tunnel and didnt have it. A very simple EMG can dx or rule out CT in under ten minutes....

Now, you are having MRIs- Im assuming by a neuro? A neuro wouldnt be treating hyperthyroidism usually, although I suppose they could... im not sure what this doctor is looking for , especially from a MS standpoint....Im not seeing anything in your post which describes any MS related symtoms? Am I missing something? walking, causing numbness in your hands and back, is NOT a MS thing... however it could absolutely be from a pinched nerve, or something that might show up on a MRI...

What other symptoms are you having? Why is MS on your radar?

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

Hi, there. I certainly have not been diagnosed with MS so I am no expert on that. But I have quite a bit of experience with thyroid, as I was diagnosed several years ago with Hashimoto’s thyroiditis and chose suppression therapy which essentially shrunk my thyroid and left me dependent upon T4 replacement for the rest of my life. And after reading your posts and Nikki’s reply, I have to agree with her. There are a couple of symptoms that overlap in both autoimmune diseases, but they are small in number. Fatigue is one of the biggest. It is also possible to get tingling and numbness in the hands and feet. It is also possible and does happen, but is not common to experience paresthesias. Dizziness is common in thyroid patients, but is not vertigo, which is common in MS patients. They are two separate symptoms with different presentations.

There are diseases/conditions that have symptoms that mimic MS that are common in people with thyroid disease. Those are vitamin deficiencies such as vitamin D and B12 deficiencies, Myasthenia Gravis, Gillian Barre’ Syndrome and Celiac disease for examples and etc and in those cases someone with a thyroid disease can have symptoms seen in MS. It does not mean that they are related. But, having one autoimmune disease makes you three times more likely to develop another, since your immune system is already compromised.

One thing to note is that with most thyroid diseases, a common symptom that is often overlooked is anxiety, which also happens to have symptoms that mimic MS. And it is not something most GPs recognize as a symptom or treat. So that may be something you would want to look into along with your other tests. Good luck to you! 

Also, carpal tunnel syndrome is listed in many texts as a symptom of thyroid disease, but after having done my research, most of the time, a doctor hears “pins and tingling” and numbness and will assume carpal tunnel for that reason without properly testing. So that is probably where that came from if that is what your symptoms were.

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

hello trisbee.
thanks for writing your experience.

you were right in ur last paragraph. my first gp and physio overlooked my symptoms. 2 weeks ago i saw the hand surgeon and when he listened to my symptoms, and put it in the context of nerve conduction and ultrasound he said it s not CT. I should say that my so-called CT pain is much less over 10 months, but i have developed other pain in my legs and back and face and neck !! anyway, i think gps and physios need to ask someone who looks like having CT to have a blood test first and then diagnose. the same applies for other problems. honestly, i dont know if i had hyperthyroid 10 months ago. i got so anxious in late Dec-2012 because i was so worried for my hands and i feel it might have had something with hyperthyroid. who knows. however, thyroid issue might have been silent for that period. who knows.

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

It is possible to have thyroid disease long before symptoms become severe enough for us to notice. I didn't know until my body went into crisis mode. I ignored my symptoms and brushed them off as the normal aging process, as most people do with many things. I also dismissed many of the symptoms I am experiencing now as thyroid, but I know now that is not the case. Hence, my reason for keeping an eye on this board, and many others for that matter. Good luck with your testing! Will keep you in my prayers!

 
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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

hello Nikki,

this is in reply to your question. thanks for your care and writing to me.i didnt elaborate all my symptoms in my post. your question was detailed, so let me write in detail. hopefully it wont bother you.


my current symptoms:

when i bend my head i feel that electric feeling - each time is different - sometimes it is like ants moving in my back, neck .. sometimes, i feel water is flowing in my shin area. my toe gets sore .. my knee buckles. when i go to gym and when i do little running, when i leave there and walk i feel my feet are on water and have no sense. when i start moving, i have electric feeling and numbness in my body. my eye sometimes gets numb. my head gets heavy and stiff. these problems vary.

May - Dec,

I started having pain in May 2012 in both my hands. It was diagnosed with tendinitis. I got better in July, but immediately i had pain and numbness and tingling and they ( gp - physio) diagnosed it with Carpal tunnel. They were thinking of Why for a while but never thought of checking other conditions - such as a simple TSH test. I used braces for 3 months almost 22 hours a day and waited in pain for months. I went to physiotherapy several times. My pain got better but it never went away. One weird symptom: When i was walking - thought this will not cause carpal tunnel pain- i was feeling my hands get numb heavy and my back gets numbness and pain too. when i said it to gp and physio, they didn't tell me it is not CT symptom. I was really sick with chronic pain, and this experience made me feel how difficult it is to live with chronic pain alone. anyway.

Dec 2012- Feb 2013

Around Xmas, I got really frustrated of pain and by the way my GP was treating me as he was not giving me the referral. In early Jan, I started having tingling in my left leg, mainly around shin area. It got more during Jan and moved to my foot too/and sometimes face and neck. I saw the GP in Feb and I raised this with him but he didn't say anything and didn't even give me lab test. I never thought of MS even then. Instead he was just checking me if I have depression and this was not appropriate. For example, i said i cant sleep, and he was looking at me like i might have depression. But now I realized that thyroid brings sleep problems. so he was not at all interested to look for physical conditions. i think he really liked to play the role of a psychologist.

Feb - now:

one night maybe 5 hours after regular running, I woke up with so much numbness in both my legs, and I had trouble walking to bathroom. I felt my legs are so weightless and not mine. I had problems in walking too, and keeping the balance was difficult. At work, i had numbness in my legs and found it difficult to walk. For a week, I had weird feelings - Like electric wire and shock burning in my body ( all the way from toe to hips), even face, mouth - my head got so heavy and stiff ( like someone is kicking it) .. My hands pain became different.I felt they go to sleep easily and all my arms got involved. That was where i thought about ms.

So, finally i changed the gp. and got a referral to see a neurologist. This new gp wrote me blood test, and that is where we realized i have hyperthyroid. i also got the referral to see a hand surgeon.

my own feeling is that hyperthyroid was because of the nervousness that I had in Dec and Jan because of my GP and my life conditions. but who knows, maybe it was silent. i have an appointment with the specialist for my thyroid. in 2 weeks.

I met the neurologist early March ( 2 weeks after severe symptoms and i told him that i m much better now). he told me: time answers + have three tests, one mri, nerve conduction, something related to eyes. i have two of them in mid April and one in mid May. i thought it is better to have the tests in a while so that some time is passed and we have better clue.

i met the hand surgeon and he is a very nice and good doctor for CT. I did nerve conduction for my hands/ ultra sound for CT. Both were normal indicating I don't have CT. so that s good that this is out of scope now. it means i need to see less specialists

Prior issues:

i v decided to just live and work on them one by one - and if anything is in my body time will answer. I d like to add that 10 years ago, I did some blood test for my hormones due to irregular periods. The only weird thing was that i had very high prolactin hormones. I did MRI on that time to see if there is a problem in my brain, but nothing came out of it. I read that prolactin is linked to autoimmune diseases.

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

HI Shalia,
Well, you certainly did fill in the blanks! Thank you!

IT does appear you may be dealing with several different issues at once. Im glad that you now realize that carpal tunnel isnt one of them. You seem to have enough on your plate.

Thyroid issues alone, can cause so many of the problems that you describe. I think you said in two weeks you see that specialist~ thats a really good thing a specialist has seen it all, heard it all and helped work with all sorts of complications from their diseases. Im willing to bet that when you start telling that doctor about whats been going on, youl find that there is a huge connection between your symptoms and thyroid issues.

I still do not hear MS in your post. Im sorry- I know its the "logical" thing to explore based on numbness, muscle weakness and a few of the other symptoms you have experienced. I do understand why you would lean that direction; however it just isnt adding up. Too many of the thing you have experienced are not at all MS like~~ and SO MANY of the more common MS symptoms arent listed. Sometimes, when we are reaching for answers, we tend to gravitate towards the most general of symptoms. Numbness. Tingling. Muscle weakness. Look them up and youll be positive you have MS....but in all honesty, they are also seen in 400 other diseases! And, in your case, add the hyperthyroid to it, and you very well may have your answer.

It sounds like you are finally on to the correct specialist (at least for now) and headed towards some more specific answers. Please take care of yourself for now and let us know what the specialist says....and when you go to the Neuro, what he also thinks. But, I would deal with one thing at a time and now knowing you have the thyroid issue- definately the first place you should be starting!

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

thanks Nikki. honestly i didn't know anything about thyroid problem and the fact that it can bring numb/weakness/tingling problems. but i knew that ms brings them, as i had seen this in few people that i know. so the first thing that i could think of as being like this was either B12 deficiency or ms. Lets see. if you think it doesn't look like ms, i guess that is a good thought. thanks for that.

and i will update here. i am not stressed about my symptoms. i just tell myself: just do the best you can do.

thanks again for your care. i wish you joy:x:X

 
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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

Shalia-
Back at ya!
Not only could a B deficiency cause all of this, but more likely a D deficiency! Get your blood levels checked for vitamins...and stay tuned with the thyroid specialist. I truly think you will find answers when you start working with that doctor! (You can probably ask them to run the blood panel as well.....)

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

dear Nikki,

i read that you always have this numbness. i dont know if it works for u, but i have friend with ms, and he is using Gerson therapy and he said these symptoms are disappeared. it worth trying.

i hadnt heard about these, but in dec, i just felt into having raw food ( 85 percent raw intakes maybe - and mainly vegetarian) .. i think it was just a need that my body felt and then i came across the amazing benefits of such diet.

it worth trying

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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

Shahila,

Diets are often pushed as the new way to fight Ms or MS Symptoms. If you are eating a well balanced meal and you do not have any vitamin or mineral deficiency, then you are doing all you can possibly do. Many of those who promote the raw diet miss the point that many vegetables eaten raw are useless in that the good vitamins or nutrients cannot be used by our body unless it has been warmed, cooked, or steamed. Fat soluble vitamins require some amount of fats in the diet in order that your body be able to absorb them.

If you are following a vegetarian diet, you will need to supplement B12 because other than a certain green algae, no plant life produces or supplies B12 naturally.

I would lastly add that when we start a new diet or medicine, our body has the ability to produce a placebo effect where for several weeks we can actually feel better. The human body is unique, I think, in this placebo effect. If we believe something, we can will it. this is not 100% of the cases, but overall, the reliance on the placebo effect is what drives the marketing industry to encourage customers to buy the next great hope on each of their infomercials or other marketing appeal.
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Re: MS and hyperthyroid (overactive thyroid)

Shalhila,

Thank you for thinking of me, but when it comes to Multiple Sclerosis, my numbness isnt fixable, unless they come up with a way to regenerate nerves. Where most people have 3-10 lesions on their brains/ spine, I have over 100. I have what is known as black holes- which means that so many lesions (so much damage) clumped together into such a small space, that my brain tissue can no longer hold the lesions (scars) and it appears to be a black space on my MRIs. I have ten black holes...normally, Id be scared. But since I am fully functional and capable of having a 4.0 GPA in post graduate school- I dont feel I am compromised by this!

No matter what I eat, or dont eat, no matter how many "miracles" they put in front of me, nothing is going to bring back my hand and finger feeling....which is also okay as its my New normal, and Ive learned to adjust to it.

Although i very much appreciate you thinking of me- Im not a fan of fads....having had this disease for so long, Ive seen pretty much every type of fad out there- and no drinking 13 glasses of raw vegtables a day is going to help neuropathy...it will however take your mind off the numbness while you are spending much of your time in the bathroom (or kitchen or bank for that matter- organic veggies are outrageously expensive!) Just like the miracle fruits of last year and the miracle surgery of the year before- as Jayhawk stated, the placebo affect is a powerful thing....unfortunately, its not a cure. But Im glad your friend feels better!

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