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Old 07-24-2005, 11:19 PM   #1
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Another person w/seperating nail

A few months ago I noticed what appeared/appears to be a seperating nail on my middle finger. The nail seems to have grown out a bit, so the seperating area is not quite as apparent.
Now, on my index finger, the same thing has happened. It is seperating along the left side of the finger and not quite up to the cuticle. I have not had artificial nails in years, so that is not the problem. I have pretty healthy nails, as I am very protective of my nails (hoped to be a hand model). I just figured it was due to some sort of trauma, or the nail getting caught on something and lifting a bit. After reading several posts on this site, I'm starting to freak out. Could it, in fact, be a yeast infection? If so, how the heck does it spread from one nail to another? Would I just go to my regular doctor for a Rx for something? If so, what was it again? Or would I need to see a dermatologist? What about a hand specialist? My two nails look very weird and I don't like it one bit.
I am trying to be as careful as I can with it, but since it's such a busy finger (left-hand index finger), it's sometimes hard. Typing, opening a car door, lifting/picking up things-just daily activities.
Any suggestions?
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Old 07-25-2005, 11:02 AM   #2
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Re: Another person w/seperating nail

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A few months ago I noticed what appeared/appears to be a seperating nail on my middle finger. The nail seems to have grown out a bit, so the seperating area is not quite as apparent.
Now, on my index finger, the same thing has happened. It is seperating along the left side of the finger and not quite up to the cuticle. I have not had artificial nails in years, so that is not the problem. I have pretty healthy nails, as I am very protective of my nails (hoped to be a hand model). I just figured it was due to some sort of trauma, or the nail getting caught on something and lifting a bit. After reading several posts on this site, I'm starting to freak out. Could it, in fact, be a yeast infection? If so, how the heck does it spread from one nail to another? Would I just go to my regular doctor for a Rx for something? If so, what was it again? Or would I need to see a dermatologist? What about a hand specialist? My two nails look very weird and I don't like it one bit.
I am trying to be as careful as I can with it, but since it's such a busy finger (left-hand index finger), it's sometimes hard. Typing, opening a car door, lifting/picking up things-just daily activities.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Only your doctor can tell the difference between a yeast (candida) infection and a fungal infection by taking a scraping of the site and growing a culture which can take weeks to accomplish. If it is yeast, you will need a prescription for Naftin. Yeast usually appears as a white discoloration and the nail plate will separate from the nail bed. If it is fungus, the nail plate will appear yellowish in color, it will thicken, it can turn inward resembling an ingrown nail, it will separate from the nail bed at the point of entry, and there will be apparent debris in the area of separation.

Yeast is also lumped into the 'fungus' infection category, but is treated with different medications than the 'yellow' type that attacks the nail bed and eats the proteins in the nail plate as 'food'. That's where the debris comes from YUCK!

Regardless of which type it is, it spreads from finger to finger or toe to toe if you use the same nail file or implement on the effected finger as you do the other ones. The spores/bacteria attach themselves to the instrument or file and then are transferred to a healthy nail when the same file/instrument is used on that nail.

Certain fungal spores, pseudomonas bacteria and yeast spores are found in dirt, etc., so working in the garden without wearing protective gloves can also casue the infection.

 
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Old 07-28-2005, 10:23 PM   #3
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Ugh. The thought of a yeast infection is just disgusting. I have an appointment w/a dermatologist on Aug. 12th. Hopefully we'll figure it out. I'm just HOPING it was just lifted due to trauma. I hope, hope, hope!
Thanks for the info.
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:08 AM   #4
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Marti, I went to a dermatologist's office last Friday and he said it didn't seem like there is any evidence of fungus under my two separating nails. But, to be safe, they did cut off a portion of the two nails to see if anything IS there. He also gave me an Rx for Keralac nail gel. What do you know about this and what do you think about it? I read a little about it on-line and it talks a lot about thickening nails and how that is treated w/this gel. My nails are not thick at all. It just the two nails w/the separating area.
Any info is appreciated.
Thank you.

Amy

 
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I haven't heard of that particular product; I am assuming it is a prescription medication. Are they going to grow a culture with the debris they find on the underside of the nail plate? If not, there is no way of telling exactly what is going on. The ONLY way to tell if it is a fungal or yeast infection causing the separation is for the doctor to take a scraping from the underside of the lifted portion of nail plate and grow a culture in a petri dish. It can take up to 6 weeks to see any results of the culture. Sounds to me like it is a guessing game. Is there anything else going on with your health besides the nails? Our inner health is mirrored in our fingernails.

 
Old 08-16-2005, 10:28 AM   #6
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Hi, Marti. Yes, Keralac is a prescription nail gel.
They cut off a portion of my two nails down to the damaged area (might as well have cut off my whole darn finger!) and are going to see if anything is there.
As for my overall health, no problems. Aside from these two nails, I have never had any problems with them before. I have beautiful hands/nails and take very good care of them.
I'm just hoping this was just a bad separation of these two nails and that they'll grow back like normal.
Thanks for the help.

 
Old 11-14-2005, 04:58 PM   #7
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Hi, Marti. I am bringing up this separating nail subject from a few months ago...
After using this 'Kerolac' nail gel for a while, I haven't noticed anything with my nail. I keep it very short-nothing past the free edge. I've had to either clip it or file it down twice in the past week, or two. So, there has been growth, but the white part (what I think is the separation) is still there. It doesn't seem to be as loose as it once was. I am pretty sure the nail won't just start attaching itself to the nail bed, but that it has to grow out. Still, the white part is still there.
The dermatologist did clip the two nails to try to grow a culture, and nothing happened. So, that's good. Everything else is fine w/me, but these darn nails (it started with the nail on my middle right hand, then I noticed it on my left index finger, and later, my right thumb (but not a lot on the thumb).
What would I lose by using an OTC remedy? I saw something at Sav On last week called Dr. G's Clear Nail. Have you heard of it? According to the box/what I've seen on line (thanks to Google), it has an antimicrobial active agent that kills bacteria, fungus, mold, yeast and viruses.
Should I ask my dermatologist before I try it? Any other suggestions? I am just baffled by all of this, as I feel like an ogre with this stub of a nail and nine other semi-long, beautiful nails. I feel as if it just draws attention to the stub and I HATE IT!
One other note, when I had my check-up w/the dermatologist after one month, he suggested I start taking Appearex pills w/biotin to help my overall nail health.
Thoughts on all this???

Thanks, Marti.

 
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Re: Another person w/seperating nail

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Hi, Marti. I am bringing up this separating nail subject from a few months ago...
After using this 'Kerolac' nail gel for a while, I haven't noticed anything with my nail. I keep it very short-nothing past the free edge. I've had to either clip it or file it down twice in the past week, or two. So, there has been growth, but the white part (what I think is the separation) is still there. It doesn't seem to be as loose as it once was. I am pretty sure the nail won't just start attaching itself to the nail bed, but that it has to grow out. Still, the white part is still there.
The dermatologist did clip the two nails to try to grow a culture, and nothing happened. So, that's good. Everything else is fine w/me, but these darn nails (it started with the nail on my middle right hand, then I noticed it on my left index finger, and later, my right thumb (but not a lot on the thumb).
What would I lose by using an OTC remedy? I saw something at Sav On last week called Dr. G's Clear Nail. Have you heard of it? According to the box/what I've seen on line (thanks to Google), it has an antimicrobial active agent that kills bacteria, fungus, mold, yeast and viruses.
Should I ask my dermatologist before I try it? Any other suggestions? I am just baffled by all of this, as I feel like an ogre with this stub of a nail and nine other semi-long, beautiful nails. I feel as if it just draws attention to the stub and I HATE IT!
One other note, when I had my check-up w/the dermatologist after one month, he suggested I start taking Appearex pills w/biotin to help my overall nail health.
Thoughts on all this???

Thanks, Marti.
Vitamin B Complex contains Biotin and you can purchase Biotin on its own over the counter. Biotin is good for the nails as for your blood if taken as B Complex. Dr. G's Clear nail is a good product.

 
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Vitamin B Complex contains Biotin and you can purchase Biotin on its own over the counter. Biotin is good for the nails as for your blood if taken as B Complex. Dr. G's Clear nail is a good product.

Okay. Hopefully the Dr. G's Clear Nail will help (even though there probably is no infection/fungus.). Fingers crossed.

Thanks, Marti.

 
Old 02-06-2006, 11:14 AM   #10
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So I just called the dermatologist and my latest culture came back negative for fungus. ????? Any suggestions as to what I should do now? The Dr. cut off pretty much most of the separated portion of the nail and it has already started to grow out. And it's not pink/doesn't look like the nail is adhering to the nail bed.
Should I have a thyroid test? I have no idea what to do now and this is extremely frustrating. If it's not a fungus, what the heck is it??

 
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The white discoloration, as long as there is no apparent debris in the area of separation, could be a yeast (candida) infection; in which event, wouldn't show up as 'fungus' with a culture. Try the Dr. G's as it is a broad-spectrum solution. Do you wear nail polish? If so, sometimes this will cause the body to be tricked into beleiving there is an 'invader' trying to attack the body. The body will send anti-bodies to the site to kill what it thinks is an infection but when it sdoesn't find anything, it will turn into an infection and cause the nail plate to separate from the nail bed. In this event, I have usually seen this happen only with cancer patients and persons with thyroid problems.

 
Old 02-07-2006, 11:47 AM   #12
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The white discoloration, as long as there is no apparent debris in the area of separation, could be a yeast (candida) infection; in which event, wouldn't show up as 'fungus' with a culture. Try the Dr. G's as it is a broad-spectrum solution. Do you wear nail polish? If so, sometimes this will cause the body to be tricked into beleiving there is an 'invader' trying to attack the body. The body will send anti-bodies to the site to kill what it thinks is an infection but when it sdoesn't find anything, it will turn into an infection and cause the nail plate to separate from the nail bed. In this event, I have usually seen this happen only with cancer patients and persons with thyroid problems.
Okay, so I'll call the dermatologist back and mention the (yuck) yeast infection possibility. It was never mentioned, but I'll call anyway. After approximately how long would one see results after using the Dr. G's? And, yes, I do wear clear polish every day. I've used Sally Hansen's Maximum Nail Growth for years. I believe that is, in part, why I have (or, had) beautiful nails. Should I back off from polish for a while and just keep the nails buffed? Also, I have no symptoms of thyroid disease. I am cold, but I'm also pretty skinny, don't have a lot of body fat and have always been cold. Unless it's in the mid-to-upper 70's in So Cal. I have no rapid weight gain or loss, my hair isn't falling out and none of the other symptoms relate to me.
Thanks, Marti. I'm off to call the derm...

Edit: Going back to the dermatologist Friday morning for another (yeast) culture. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed. Not that I want any kind of gunk in my nails, but just knowing SOMETHING is there and hopefully a way to treat it is all I want.
Thanks for the clarification, Marti.

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OK - I think I have a better idea of what is happening. Nail strengtheners contain high levels of formaldehyde. Formaldehyde dries out the nail plate making the nails appear stronger by making them hard. When the nail plate becomed dried out and hard, it appears strong, but in fact is more brittle because it lacks the needed moisture to keep it flexible. For a nail to be 'tough', it needs a cmbination of strength and flexibility.

Some people can become allergic to the formaldehyde and can be sensitive to as little as 1 PPM (part per million). If your natural nails are separating from the nail bed, turning white and seem to be brittle or break easily, you may be experiencing an allergic reaction to overexposure to formaldehyde.

If the derm didn't find evidence of fungus, he may not find evidence of yeast because yeast does not eat the proteins in the nail plate for food and leave behind apparent debris that can be scraped from the underside of the nail plate.

Let me know what you find out, but ask the doctor if it might be an allergic reaction to the nail hardener/strengthener. If it lists formaldehyde or formalin in the ingredients, you might want to discontinue use all together.

 
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OK - I think I have a better idea of what is happening. Nail strengtheners contain high levels of formaldehyde. Formaldehyde dries out the nail plate making the nails appear stronger by making them hard. When the nail plate becomed dried out and hard, it appears strong, but in fact is more brittle because it lacks the needed moisture to keep it flexible. For a nail to be 'tough', it needs a cmbination of strength and flexibility.

Some people can become allergic to the formaldehyde and can be sensitive to as little as 1 PPM (part per million). If your natural nails are separating from the nail bed, turning white and seem to be brittle or break easily, you may be experiencing an allergic reaction to overexposure to formaldehyde.

If the derm didn't find evidence of fungus, he may not find evidence of yeast because yeast does not eat the proteins in the nail plate for food and leave behind apparent debris that can be scraped from the underside of the nail plate.

Let me know what you find out, but ask the doctor if it might be an allergic reaction to the nail hardener/strengthener. If it lists formaldehyde or formalin in the ingredients, you might want to discontinue use all together.
I will definitely bring it up. The Maximum Nail Growth does have formaldehyde and I have been using it for approx. 15 years! It does work. I'll tell you that. My nails do look good when they're all grown out. And, they have been breaking lately. You know, Marti, you may be on to something
Do you know of any other nail strengtheners that do not have formaldehyde or formalin? I prefer the look of a glossy nail (which I know I can get from buffing), but I like to think the polish I use helps me get my hands and nails looking their best. Also, if your theory is correct, how long would it take for things to get better? As long as it takes for a new nail to grow out? If it is the formaldehyde issue, I'm done with it and I'll have to find something new.
Thank you for this info. I'll be asking the Dr. Friday morning and I'll report back.

 
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Most nail polish, base coats and top coats contain formaldehyde or formalin (resin) in the formula because it acts as a preservative in these products. the amounts of these chemicals are less in nail polishes than in nail strengtheners. If you have been using this for 15 years, I am highly suspecting an alergic reaction. Once you stop using the product (or anything else containing these chemicals) your nails will grow out healthy from the root. Depending on your genetics your nails can totally replace themselves from cuticle to free edge in about 3-4 months. To have a nice long free edge can take from 3-6 months or so.

 
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