It appears you have not yet registered with our community. To register please click here...


 Home Message Boards Videos Join for Free User Blogs Board Index
Search
 
Forgot your username or password?


Open to All Other Health Topics Message Board
Post New Thread   Closed Thread
Share
 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-28-2004, 11:31 AM   #1
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2
Hugs: 0
Hugged 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
schmoppa HB User
Unhappy Brain-injured friend can't speak for self,Christian Science dad says no treatment

Hello,

A friend, "John," took way too much air off a ski jump and landed funny, on his feet, but somehow he messed his head up. He must have landed stiff, so his brain took the brunt of the shock. He also badly bruised his thigh.

He was airlifted out to a hospital in Denver. They were able to give him a CAT scan before his dad arrived... but they are Christian Scientist so his dad told them to stop.

Supposedly the CAT (or CT? not sure) scan showed that his brain was bleeding. That's all I've heard, his friends can't ask the doctor because he can't talka bout it to non-family. I don't think anyone has asked his family, since they are in their Christian Science-brand denial, waiting for God to fix him up. Ironic for two reasons: one of his brothers married a nurse, and his dad went in for a shattered elbow 6 months ago. I guess shattered elbows are more serious than potential brain damage.

Just before he got put on the helicopter, his friend asked him "say my name," and John was able to do it.

Later that night, at the hospital, he was not really conscious.

After the initial CAT scan, his dad put a stop to it, and they moved him out of the ICU, so he is lying unsedated in a bed.

When I saw him the next day, if he wasn't taped up with an IV needle, catheter, and neck brace, he just seemed like he was tossing and turning a bit in his sleep. His legs move, he shifts from his back to his side and back after a while. Other than the tossing behavior, he grabs a pillow, moves it around, like between his legs, or off. It just looks like he's in a never-ending quest to become comfortable; with all those needles and catheters and head trauma, I'm sure he's not comfortable at all.

Occasionally he will try to untape the IV needles. Or else he sort of tries to sit up in bed. Also he He is REALLY strong, so we have to wrestle him down. Once his brother had to do it, and John said "you're hurting me" a couple of times. When I stopped him from pulling his needles out, saying "No, you have to leave them in, No, NO!" he said "Stop saying no, Stop saying no." And he grabbed my wrist in a death grip (did I mention he's really strong?)

I've seen him sort of try to open his eyes, but it doesn't really work. He responds somewhat to stimuli, like grabbing his hand, and sometimes when we ask him to squeeze he does so. When I left, I said bye, and I think he sort of reacted and reached for my hand, maybe said something. It's hard to say.

I heard that after I left, he tried to get up several times. But again, he doesn't really open his eyes. So I think he's at least somewhat aware of his surroundings, though I'm not sure if he's seen the room. He is very strong willed, so he doesn't like not getting his way and having other people tell him what to do or restrain him.

Anyways, as his friends we think he would want treatment. He is not a minor, so we don't see how his family can tell them to prevent at least exploratory scans and treatment, to figure out an actual prognosis.

In watching ER, i've seen where people have DNR statements, so in a sense it's a sort of "opt out" radio button on a website - except that on a website, you are opting out of receiving spam - a bad thing - while in real life it is more like opting out of treatment, which is a good thing if you are in a medical situation where it's not worth it to resuscitate(sp?). So what I am trying to say is that without such a signed statement, doctors should treat him despite his family's wishes in such cases where their (not HIS) religion states that they shouldn't receive medical help; back the teh website analogy, the good websites automatically opt you out of the things that most people wouldn't want, but if they do want it they say so, for medicine, most people want treatment, but if they don't, they better have a form signed stating such. I'm all about freedom of religion and such, but a father being a devout Christian Scientist does not make his son a Christian Scientist, no matter how hard the son tries not to "rock the boat" and disclose his non CS-behaviors. Further, he actually has health insurance. That should automatically override any familial dictates.

We, his friends, all know that he does a lot of things that don't adhere to the CS subset-faith. We think that he would want treatment. We are afraid that without treatment he may never be able to be of adequate sound mind to tell the doctors that he wants treatment.

Any ideas, or help? Time is of the essence; he had his accident a couple of days ago; the cynical side of me says that he is never again going to be the John we knew, because it's already been too long.

Sorry for the long post. I'm a little crazy with concern and sadness today and missing some capacity for brevity.

Last edited by schmoppa; 02-28-2004 at 11:52 AM.

 
Sponsors Lightbulb
   
Old 02-29-2004, 08:07 PM   #2
Inactive
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 94
Hugs: 0
Hugged 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
The_Cheese_Man HB User
Re: Brain-injured friend can't speak for self,Christian Science dad says no treatment

I'm sorry that I can't be of much help but what is "Christian Science" if you don't mind sharing some more detail. Is it a regular religion (ie; Baptist, Catholic, etc) or more radical like where they hoot, holler, roll on the floor and play with snakes?. Again, sorry I can't be of more help here.

 
Old 02-29-2004, 08:29 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 241
Hugs: 0
Hugged 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Broadwaygirl03 HB User
Re: Brain-injured friend can't speak for self,Christian Science dad says no treatment

I believe christian sciences refuse medical intervention. They believe that God will heal if he so wills it. I've seen cases where children were taken out of the custody of parents who refused such things as blood transfusions and stuff.
__________________
"Careful the things you say, children will listen.
Careful the things you do, children will see.
And learn."
~Into the Woods

 
Old 03-01-2004, 12:03 PM   #4
Veteran
(female)
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 446
Hugs: 0
Hugged 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
smartgal HB User
Re: Brain-injured friend can't speak for self,Christian Science dad says no treatment

How old is he? Parents have been accused of murder if they do not allow treatment when it can clearly save the child - even due to religious beliefs. It is possibly too late, hard to say. If you have any record of what your friend wanted as far as treatment, you should probably make an effort to provide it to the hospital or the police.

 
Old 03-01-2004, 12:51 PM   #5
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2
Hugs: 0
Hugged 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
schmoppa HB User
Re: Brain-injured friend can't speak for self,Christian Science dad says no treatment

He is in his 20s...

 
Closed Thread

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Board Replies Last Post
BRAIN JERKING help 570ryanc Brain & Nervous System Disorders 2 04-26-2010 09:23 AM
Brain MRI Results Should I Be Concerned?? bestoldies Brain & Nervous System Disorders 9 11-26-2008 04:56 AM
Pulling/Tugging of Brain & Brain Jolt zsuzsa49 Inner Ear Disorders 2 03-17-2008 09:11 AM
Cold Weather and Brain Fog donsabi Thyroid Disorders 1 12-17-2007 05:04 PM
Brain tumor?? chesteadman Brain Tumors 39 08-31-2007 01:07 PM
my father has brain mets, need info please! alexandraB Cancer: Lung 3 05-06-2005 08:43 AM
Bipolar and the brain grace19 Bipolar Disorder 6 04-08-2005 06:48 PM
alternative medicine for lung/brain cancer ftlaudmom Cancer 2 10-01-2004 01:05 PM
might I have a brain tumor..please help benderok Brain Tumors 2 05-11-2004 08:59 PM
PRIMITIVE BRAIN Subs30 Inner Ear Disorders 3 08-28-2003 07:17 PM




Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off











Message Boards
  • Open to All Other Health Topics
  • It's Life - Off Topic Discussions
  • Natural Disaster Sympathies and Support
  • Health News
  • HealthBoards Testimonials
  • Suggestions for New Boards
  • Registration/Membership/Site Problems
  • Health Issues
  • General Health
  • Abuse Support
  • Acid Reflux / GERD
  • Acne
  • Share Your Acne Story
  • Acne Tips
  • Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)
  • ADD / ADHD
  • Addiction & Recovery
  • Addison's Disease
  • Aging Issues
  • Allergies
  • Alternative Medicine
  • Alzheimer's Disease & Dementia
  • Amputation / Prosthetic
  • Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS)
  • Anemia
  • Aneurysm
  • Anger Management
  • Angina
  • Anxiety
  • Share Your Anxiety Story
  • Anxiety Tips
  • Arthritis
  • Asperger's Syndrome
  • Asthma
  • Autism Spectrum
  • Autoimmune Disorders
  • Back Problems
  • Beauty & Cosmetics
  • Bell's Palsy
  • Bipolar Disorder
  • Birth Control
  • Blood and Blood Vessel
  • Bone Disorders
  • Bowel Disorders
  • Brain & Head Injury
  • Brain & Nervous System Disorders
  • Brain Tumors
  • Breastfeeding
  • Burns & Injuries
  • Cancer
  • Cancer: Bladder
  • Cancer: Bone
  • Cancer: Brain
  • Cancer: Breast
  • Cancer: Cervical & Ovarian
  • Cancer: Colon
  • Cancer: Esophageal
  • Cancer: Kidney
  • Cancer: Lung
  • Cancer: Oral
  • Cancer: Pancreatic & Liver
  • Cancer: Prostate
  • Cancer: Rectal & Anal
  • Cancer: Skin
  • Cancer: Stomach
  • Cancer: Testicular
  • Cancer: Throat
  • Cancer: Thyroid
  • Cancer: Uterine
  • Candida
  • Caregivers
  • Carpal Tunnel Syndrome
  • Celiac Disease
  • Cerebral Palsy
  • Chemotherapy
  • Children - Special Needs
  • Children's Health
  • Chronic Fatigue
  • Codependency
  • Colds & Flu
  • Swine Flu (H1N1)
  • Cosmetic / Plastic Surgery
  • Costochondritis
  • Crohn's Disease / Ulcerative Colitis
  • Cystic Fibrosis
  • Death & Dying
  • Degenerative Diseases
  • Dental Health
  • Depression
  • Share Your Depression Story
  • Depression Tips
  • Diabetes
  • Hypoglycemia
  • Diet & Nutrition
  • Digestive Disorders
  • Disabilities
  • Divorce & Separation
  • Dizziness / Vertigo
  • Down Syndrome
  • Drug Interactions
  • Dyslexia
  • Dysphagia
  • Ear, Nose & Throat
  • Eating Disorder Recovery
  • Endocrine Disorders
  • Endometriosis
  • Environmental Disorders
  • Epilepsy
  • Epstein Barr Virus (EBV)
  • Exercise & Fitness
  • Eye & Vision
  • Family & Friends of Cancer Patients
  • Family & Friends of the Mentally Ill
  • Family Planning / Adoption
  • Fibromyalgia
  • Foot Problems
  • Gallbladder
  • Genetic Disorders
  • Grief & Loss
  • Hair Loss / Alopecia
  • Hair Problems
  • Headaches & Migraines
  • Health Insurance Issues
  • Healthcare Professionals
  • Healthy Lifestyle
  • Hearing Disorders
  • Heart Disorders
  • Hepatitis
  • Hernia
  • Herpes
  • High & Low Blood Pressure
  • High Cholesterol
  • HIV Prevention
  • HIV/AIDS Living With
  • Hormone Problems
  • Hospice
  • Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
  • Hypochondria
  • Hysterectomy
  • Immune Disorders
  • Incontinence
  • Infant Care (up to 18 months old)
  • Infectious Diseases
  • Infertility
  • Share Your Infertility Story
  • Inner Ear Disorders
  • Interstitial Cystitis (IC)
  • Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
  • Kidney Disorders
  • Knee & Hip Problems
  • Lasik Eye Surgery
  • Learning Disorders
  • Leukemia
  • Liver & Pancreas Disorders
  • Lung & Respiratory Disorders / COPD
  • Lupus
  • Lyme Disease
  • Share Your Lyme Disease Story
  • Lymphedema
  • Lymphomas
  • Men's Health
  • Menopause
  • Mental Health
  • Mesothelioma
  • Military Health Issues
  • Miscarriage & Still Birth
  • Mononucleosis
  • Multiple Sclerosis
  • Muscular Dystrophy
  • Myositis
  • Nail Problems
  • Neurofibromatosis
  • Neurology
  • Neuromuscular Diseases
  • Neuropathy
  • Nutritional Disorders
  • Obesity
  • Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)
  • Occupational Health & Safety
  • Orthopedic
  • Osteoporosis
  • Pain Management
  • Chronic Pain
  • Share Your Pain Management Story
  • Panic Disorders
  • Paralysis
  • Parenting Issues
  • Parkinson's Disease
  • Personality Disorder
  • Phobias
  • Pituitary Disease
  • Polio
  • Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS)
  • Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)
  • Postpartum Depression (PPD)
  • Pregnancy
  • Share Your Pregnancy Story
  • Pregnancy Tips
  • 2010 Mommies
  • 2011 Mommies
  • Pregnancy-Teen
  • Prostatitis
  • Psoriasis
  • Rape / Sexual Abuse
  • Rare Disorders
  • Raynaud's Syndrome
  • Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy
  • Relationship Health
  • Restless Leg Syndrome
  • Rosacea
  • Sarcoidosis
  • Schizophrenia
  • Scoliosis
  • Self-injury Recovery
  • Senior Health
  • Sexual Dysfunction Treatment
  • Sexual Health - General
  • Sexual Health - Men
  • Sexual Health - Teens
  • Sexual Health - Women
  • Sexually Transmitted Diseases
  • Shingles
  • Shoulder / Rotator Cuff Problems
  • Shyness
  • Sickle Cell Anemia
  • Sinus Problems
  • Sjögren's Syndrome
  • Skin Problems
  • Sleep Disorders
  • Smoking Cessation
  • Speech & Language Disorders
  • Spinal Cord Disorders
  • Stress
  • Stroke
  • Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
  • Teen Health
  • Thyroid Disorders
  • TMJ Disorder -TemporoMandibular Joint
  • Tourette Syndrome
  • Transplants
  • Trigeminal Neuralgia
  • Trying to Conceive (TTC)
  • Urology
  • Vaccination & Immunization
  • Vitamins & Supplements
  • Weight Loss
  • Weight Loss / Surgical
  • West Nile Virus
  • Women's Health



  • TOP THANKED CONTRIBUTORS

    Open to All Other Health Topics

    JJ (28), Titchou (22), janewhite1 (21), quincy (20), Administrator (16), feelbad (14), shisslak (13), sjb (12), Misty800 (9), writeleft (9)

    Site Wide Totals

    thanbey (581), janewhite1 (526), BlueSkies14 (511), SpineAZ (483), DGabriel10 (463), mscat40 (419), tetonteri66 (418), jennybyc (399), sammy64 (388), jgrangran (357)

    All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:44 PM.



    Site owned and operated by HealthBoards.com™
    Copyright and Terms of Use © 1998-2012 HealthBoards.com™ All rights reserved.
    Do not copy or redistribute in any form!


    SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.