Please note that Aerobic Oxygen is not a Chlorine Dioxide product. We stabilise the oxygen molecules to a sodium chloride molecule (salt).
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i just got this response from one manufacturer of anaerobic oxygen
This is what I found:
"Aerobic Oxygen is a further variation of Chlorine Dioxide referred to as oxides of chloride where we have stabilized and refined it in its purest form for human consumption."
"There is a slight difference in cost between Aerobic Oxygen and other Chlorine Dioxide products but we recommend Aerobic Oxygen for human consumption as it contains the highest level of non-toxic, stabilized Oxygen of any product on the market"
Don't any of you raise your skeptical eyebow when you read their ads? I find it difficult to take this seriously:
"Exclusively owned by Good For You Canada Corp.,
it has been heralded as one of the most significant breakthrough of the 20th century in the health care industry. "
The company also claims that it refuses to get a patent becuase they don't want to reveal their manufacturing secret. I don't think a manufacturing company will be the only ones to find a way to stabilize oxygen & a patent would actually ensure that their process cannot be copied. Makes me wonder what they'r really hiding. Their site claims that their product is "electrolytes of oxygen". This is either dissolved oxygen which will stay in water as long as carbon lasts in an open can of soda or oxygen that has formed an ionic or covalent bond with an electrolyte such as potassium or sodium. I believe this company already said that the oxygen was bound to sodium chloride, but no ionic or covalent bond was formed betrween the two so sodium chlorite was not formed. And supposedly they have been doing this for 30+ years. I call BS.
But, blase brings up something very interesting. Too much oxygen in the system can result in fatigue, dizziness, etc. YOu can test it out by breathing as fast as you can until you become dizzy.
Blase, assuming too much oxygen is the culprit, you'd probably cut back on the dose until it goes away. You should be able to feel the difference within 12 hours becuase the half-life isn't too long. You don't have high blood pressure, do you?
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Hi everyone
I've been reading the posts about this stabilized oxygen. So I ordered stabilized oxygen, and due to the fact that i could exceed the dosage or the side effects, i also ordered Antioxidant capsules. I live in Germany so i don't know the time that i receive my order so i will keep you informed with the results.
Thanks..
Salih
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I just read that H202 does the same thing as the oxygen product being mentioned, and it's a lot cheaper. Too bad I can't post a link. I'm talking about food grade H202, not the 3% you find in the supermarket, pharmacy, etc. I'm using it now. Bought it at healthfood store close to where I live. A 16 ounce bottle was a little over $10.
I have had a radical thought. One that might not be easy to hear. And one that might not be true, but I was struck by a single post in part 1 of this thread
There, Forest, a woman quotes from some research she'd done and writes: "It has been found that volatile sulphur concentrations in expired air increase up to four times the normal level around mid-cycle, at or near ovulation, and during menstruation. It has been speculated that increases in volatile sulphur levels may be related to increases in oestrogen levels".
Why would the femail body increase bb around ovulation? When, biologically speaking, she would be looking to be at her most attractive. Could we be genetically programmed to have bb? I know that sounds ridiculous and possibly offensive, I don't mean to be. But many animals use odour to communicate. And humans have body hair in places that are strongly associated with odour. One explanation is that the hair effectively increases the surface area for the chemicals to increase the odour.
But how could something that smells so bad be designed to attract? I have often read that humans were once much more interested in each other's smells but that it has since gone 'out of fashion'. We now spend lots of time and money changing and covering up our natural smell. And what was once presumably attractive is now perceived as offensive.
I myself am having difficulty getting my head round this idea but it's interesting that an offensive body odour might be described as 'cheesey' when that same smell coming from a sandwich or a packet of crisps is interesting.
And like all human qualities, some will be taller, wider, darker and perhaps smellier.
If there is anything in this perspective it means that the whole concept of a cure is a misnomer. It would also explain why bb is so resistant to 'treatment'. It might also suggest that control of bb will be by 'artificial' means rather than 'natural' by analogy with contraception.
Lucky, I personally don't believe that bb is guy magnet -- even for those earthy cave-man types who used to club their fur-clad dates -- and that would not explain why so many men also suffer from it. However, I do think you raise an interesting point. I posted earlier about bb disappearing with my pregnancy. I ******d and figured out that increased salivation is an aspect of pregnancy, and I'm guessing that's what worked in my case. I didn't have it as bad as some do -- some women walk around spitting into a cup for the whole time -- but I did have persistant morning sickness and I think they're related. Maybe the hormonal changes of ovulation cause decreased salivation? Why? Neither the increase nor the decrease make sense to me yet. But it's possible that some of those lucky people who smell like a spring breeze after eating pepperoni pizza have a nice little "dishwasher" system happening in there with a lot of loose, liquid saliva? Now how do I get some of that?
Very interesting. Some retain their bad breath even after pregancy. Its hard to imagine anyone being attracted to bad breath. Even for primitive man, bad smells were an indication of bad food, rotting flesh, etc and caused visceral reactions. Bad smells mean "stay away!".
I’m going to another doctor this monday. I really have to insist that he does something this time. It’s the forth time in over a month (not the same doctor). I will not give up. I’m going to keep going to a doctor until this is over. Even if it means going every week. This time im going to make him refer me to an ENT. It has to be something with my sinuses or tonsils.
AllSpaced; I said that my nose is clear but just feeling the back of my throat, I still have some PND. im torn between my tonsils making the smell or the pnd dripping down on my tonsils and making a smell. it could be both. my tonsils have a lot of pockets in them (I’ve just seen a lot on my left as well as my right one). or it could be something wrong with my sinuses that makes smelly mucus drop down onto my tonsils.
Oioi - My guess is that your sinuses became infected first, which started the pnd, which then caused the tonsils to become infected. I think if you continue to minimize the pnd, then stones are going to be less and less of a problem because there will not be all that mucus feeding the tonsil infection. I still get the pnd somewhat also, but not as bad now that I am breathing more freely. I think this happens because even though the sinuses are opening, they are still sick so they have to continually flush out the infection, and so pnd continues, but not as bad ... That's my guess on the whole thing.
Have you had a CT scan of your sinuses? If not, I definately would to see if there are polyps or if you have chronic sinusitis, etc. If you do have diseased sinus cavities then I would work on fixing that before getting a tonsillectomy. You definately need to be going to an ENT instead of a regular doctor.
I bought a squeeze bottle with the long, right angle neck (like the kind used in chemistry class) to flush out my tonsils. That works pretty good. I fill it with water and just a little bit of baking soda or hydrogen peroxide (or both). I also brush the back of my tongue with baking soda. Doing these two things basically stopped tonsilloliths from forming. I really don't use the bottle too much anymore, but I still brush with the baking soda all the time.
Lucky, yes I do think we may have the same bb chemistry. When did yours start in your life? Mine was around 18, after pueberty, but maybe right after I was done changing. I will continue with the Cl02 products and try the aerobic oxygen as well.
Blase, just curious, how is it going at this point? Do you still feel bb free? any comments?
Lucky, yes I do think we may have the same bb chemistry. When did yours start in your life? Mine was around 18, after pueberty, but maybe right after I was done changing. I will continue with the Cl02 products and try the aerobic oxygen as well.
Hi Garrett, when I think back I think I started getting bb comments and a white coating on my tongue around 11 or 12. It's a long time now, I'm 45. Interesting that puberty seems to be a recurring theme on this thread.
My tung brush and gel arrived this morning. I've used it once and I like it, I will post my experiences over the next few weeks.
Lucky, I personally don't believe that bb is guy magnet -- even for those earthy cave-man types who used to club their fur-clad dates -- and that would not explain why so many men also suffer from it.
Hi chelseagirl. You made me smile. I didn't mean to imply that it was only women who might have genetic bb, men too for the same reasons. (It was only the research about women that got me thinking.)
It is also interesting that we often report that bb started somewhere around puberty, that ties in with the idea too. And also that we can have it for 30 odd years (me) with no other signs of ill health. You would think that if there was 'something wrong' it would begin to show up after that long.
Having sat with the idea for a while it seems more attractive to me (even though the feedback on the thread so far indicates that no-one else is convinced!).
I'm thinking that maybe those of us with chronic bb have some type of regression to an earlier state that has popped up in our genes, clearly most people don't have chronic bb.
One of the reasons that this would be important if it was true is that it would suggest that no amount of internal cleansing or detoxification would make any difference to bb that originates like this.
I’m going to another doctor this monday. I really have to insist that he does something this time. It’s the forth time in over a month (not the same doctor). I will not give up. I’m going to keep going to a doctor until this is over. Even if it means going every week. This time im going to make him refer me to an ENT. It has to be something with my sinuses or tonsils.
AllSpaced; I said that my nose is clear but just feeling the back of my throat, I still have some PND. im torn between my tonsils making the smell or the pnd dripping down on my tonsils and making a smell. it could be both. my tonsils have a lot of pockets in them (I’ve just seen a lot on my left as well as my right one). or it could be something wrong with my sinuses that makes smelly mucus drop down onto my tonsils.
I will never give up!
That's the spirit! My problem was exactly the same as yours. PND and Tonsils - I kept thinking for two years and then finally went for tonsil removal. It definitely reduces white coating and BB. And if you combine this with sinucleanse (i.e neti), you will get benefits.
Blase, just curious, how is it going at this point? Do you still feel bb free? any comments?
hope you are all well! keep the chins up..
Garrett,
I was getting terribly fatigued and irritable - so i reduced my dosage to once and just 8 drops and went to the gym. Feel much better now. I read the instructions again and it says start with one to three drops and then increase. Breath is not that perfect but 1000 times better than it was before. I will increase the dosage gradually.
I think I'll switch to Noon's regimen - mix eight drops and drink throught the day instead of drinking water.
Pretty depressed today don;t know why - thinking about the lost time - insults from people - no girlfriend - no one - just me and my problems. Drowning my sorrows in a bottle of stella. i'll be fine tomorrow hopefully.
I'm waiting for my order of stabilized oxygen. Today I received the antioxidant capsules, I will take 1-2 capsules while using the stabilized oxygen. Otherwise, the excess of oxygen can be harmful. Here is an explanation:
Q. What are antioxidants and how do they work?
A. Antioxidants act as cell protectors.
Oxygen, an essential element for life, can create damaging by-products during normal cellular metabolism. Antioxidants counteract these cellular by-products, called free radicals, and bind with them before they can cause damage. If left unchecked, free radicals may cause heart damage, cancer, cataracts, and a weak immune system.
Antioxidants work by: binding to the free radicals; transforming them into non-damaging compounds; or repairing cellular damage. Antioxidants come in a variety of forms and include Vitamin C, Vitamin E, the Carotenoids, and Selenium.
Good sources of antioxidants include fruits and vegetables. The highest concentrations are found in the most deeply or brightly colored fruits and vegetables (spinach, carrots, red bell peppers, tomatoes).
Frei B (ed), Grei B. Natural antioxidants in human health and disease. New York, NY: Academic Press, 1994.
blase, have you still got your PND? Have you seen an ENT? If he didn't see anything wrong, did you ask for a second opinion or maybe a third?
I see it as this way: there must be something wrong with my body if I have loads of PND. Even if I’m off dairy I still have PND. straight after clearing my tongue I close my mouth then open it again and hello, there's some of my PND on the back of my tongue! It's coming towards a year since I went to a doctor complaining about PND (I didn't mention bb at that time, I couldn't do it) and he just gave me some rubbish tablets. Well no more!
AllSpaced, I think over here I’ve got to get a doctor to refer somebody to an ENT. have you seen an ENT? If I remember correctly you said that you didn't really want surgery? I'd love it if somebody would find an infection. I wouldn't even mind if I had to have surgery. At least I'd have some hope of bb going, because doctors’ just talking isn’t getting me anywhere. I don't care even if I’ll annoy them all. I'm not going to stop!
Oioi - I've been to a few ENTs. The problem is when it comes to this kind of a thing, it seems they only have ways to treat the symptoms and not really cure anything. I do want to have surgery when I am finally able, but I am not convinced it will be the end of my problems. I've heard of people having sinus surgery multiple times, and not really getting that permanent fix. I've actually already had some surgery myself, not on my sinuses though. I had a turbinate reduction and my septum straightened to help me breathe better. It never really helped. I"ve used all kinds of nasal steroid sprays in the past and they never did anything. I've kind of lost hope in ENTs. I'm trying to figure out on my own why my nose is so reactive. I've had allergy tests and they all came back negative, but my nose can go from being open to completely blocked, on either one side of the other, in an instant. Do as much research as you can before you do get to the ENT. Ask A LOT of questions. Get second opinions. That first ENT that I went to that performed the surgery never even took any x-rays. It would have showed the infection (that was later diagnosed by another ENT) and he could have worked on that instead of the other areas I mentioned. I was ****** when I realized this years later. I think he just rushed me into that surgery for the $$$. A little more investigation on his part would have changed everything. Hope I didn't discourage you too much Going to an ENT is a least a step in right direction in figuring out what all is going on in there. I hope you have better luck than I did.
After taking ThreeLac & Oxygen Elements Plus for 2 weeks at regular dose and 1 week at double dose, I took the spit test this morning. I failed it - the spit sank to the bottom in the first 5 minutes- I didn't even have to wait the full hour. Anyone else taking this, can you try the spit test and report back? It would be interesting to have someone who always has fresh breath take the spit test.
blase, have you still got your PND? Have you seen an ENT? If he didn't see anything wrong, did you ask for a second opinion or maybe a third?
I see it as this way: there must be something wrong with my body if I have loads of PND. Even if I’m off dairy I still have PND. straight after clearing my tongue I close my mouth then open it again and hello, there's some of my PND on the back of my tongue! It's coming towards a year since I went to a doctor complaining about PND (I didn't mention bb at that time, I couldn't do it) and he just gave me some rubbish tablets. Well no more!
AllSpaced, I think over here I’ve got to get a doctor to refer somebody to an ENT. have you seen an ENT? If I remember correctly you said that you didn't really want surgery? I'd love it if somebody would find an infection. I wouldn't even mind if I had to have surgery. At least I'd have some hope of bb going, because doctors’ just talking isn’t getting me anywhere. I don't care even if I’ll annoy them all. I'm not going to stop!
oiOi,
Of course I've seen an ENT specialist. I was pretty straight forward with him and talked to him about the problem. Many people in the past have seen him about this problem. He did all his checks and then said he can't see any problems but advised me to get my tonsils out as some people in the past got benefits. I chickened out that time as it is a painful operation. Two years later I read about laser tonsil removal which is relatively painless and went for it.
Removal of tonsils will not be your cure but you will most certainly notice an improvement in your breath, taste and white coating. The first week of laser surgery will not be very tasty (lol) as you can taste burnt flesh.
PND becomes worse if you are a dairy fan. It goes down significantly with sinucleanse and AO. I have very little PND these days but I'm also into Yoga, Gym and veggie diet. PND is probably your immune system response to foreign matter as interpreted by your body.
I also underwent a food intolerance test (£150) which singled out cows milk, wheat and eggs. Not sure how reliable that test is but I do eat wheat a lot.
Re: Bad Breath has changed my personality: Part 4 
Going to an ENT is a least a step in right direction in figuring out what all is going on in there. I hope you have better luck than I did.
