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Old 08-24-2006, 09:27 AM   #1
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Acidic foods versus Alkaline foods

After reading on-line that acidic foods leach calcium from the bones, and alkaline foods do not, I copied a list of both alkaline and acidic foods and leave it on the fridge. According to my research, a diet of 75% alkaline and 25% acidic foods is a good balance for bone health.

Although I can't say I am following the 75%/25% ratio every day, I do try to cut down my consumption of acidic foods and balance my meals now. If I consume foods that are acidic (cereal and milk), I will balance it with an alkaline food (banana), and include it in my breakfast cereal.

I do the same thing with dinner, if I consume an acidic pork chop, I will balance it with an alkaline vegetable that perferrably contains calcium like collard greens.

Unfortunately many acidic foods contain calcium; like milk, some cheeses, beans, etc., so I am thinking that combining these foods with alkaline food choices might reduce the effect of the calcium leaching.

I would be interested to know if any of the posters on this board have visited nutritionists to get "bone healthy" meal plans.

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Old 08-25-2006, 06:02 PM   #2
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Dear Jacal5.

What you are saying does make a lot of sense. I brought my diet coke intake down to 1 every other day,but I do drink a mug of coffee in the morning. I am going to make a list like you have and start balancing. Thanks,Mama Carlota

 
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Re: Acidic foods versus Alkaline foods

Wow Jacal5,
I finally found another person who has studied the effects of acidic foods vs alkaline.
there's a microbiologist who discovered this and has proved that by eating less acidic foods, there would be less disease in our body. He has a book out and his wife has also written a cook book explaining in detail how they first started changing the foods they were used to eating. first going from meats, to chicken to fish and then to tofu. one has to do it slowly rather than all at once so that it doesn't become difficult.
My significant other has met this scientist and has since, changed his diet. if it's too difficult to delete all the bad things, he says to at least incorporate the good and little by little you find yourself staying away from the unhealthy choices.
he also drinks super greens which is a powder substance you mix with water and has over 30 different types of minerals and supplements in it.
my S.O. has been using it for yrs now. he's tried to get me to change my way of eating but I wasn't ready.
but now that my bone density test came back stating that that I have osteoporisis and that I have to call my drs to make an appt to folllow up for treatment, I will now have to make that decision to change what I eat.

Did you find your back in horrible pain through the course of the yrs?
I never did anything about it until I couldn't bare it any longer and went to my pc who ordered an x-ray of spine. which showed "degenerative joint disease" which led to my gyno sending me for a bone density test.
I just hit surgical menopause last oct.of 2005. I"m 46 yrs old and am using the estrogen patch.
there is a family history of bone disease in my family. My mom had some type of it and fell and broke her hip. she was wheel chair bound for six yrs and never recieved a hip replacment. plus her knee cap had disintegrated.

we thought she just had arhritis and the surgeon came out to us after the surgery and was livid that we didn't know she had a bone disease.
to this day I can't remember what the dr said it was being it was almost 10 yrs ago it happened.
my older brother has "gorhams disease" which is "vanishing bone disease" which is a frightening thing to have. I just called him the other day to find out what the name of his disease is because the technician who did my bone density said I should find out. and that I should call my mothers surgeon to find out what type of bone disease she had.
then I knew before I walked out of that room that I was going to be hearing back from dr that something was going on.

I think it's time for me to eat less acidic and more alkaline.
so glad you posted that.
thanks,
Linda

 
Old 09-10-2006, 08:11 AM   #4
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Your welcome, mama carlota and linda.

Unfortunately, I have been suffering with muscolo-skeletal disorders for fifteen years now due to car accident, work injury, degeneration. I have constant chronic pain in my neck, upper back, lower back (sciatica), legs and feet,

Last year I fell on the street, landed on both knees, and have a torn ACL and miniscus, so I am in rehab for everything. Now it's hard for me to be as active as i was before the knee injury and do weight bearing exercises regularly, but I am trying to get along with a knee brace, tylenol, heat, topical rubs, etc.

It's possible that my degeneration problem is caused by not balancing an acidic (25%) and alkaline (75%)diet properly. It's a good idea to drink the greens formula, I don't know if it's low sodium, I have to watch my salt intake, it drives my wieght up so fast! I buy low sodium vegetable juice. I read that people who consume fruits and veggies have higher bone density.

The field of nutrition is so interesting, if I had to do it all over again, I would have gone to college to become licensed nutritionist, to help people, and now the money is good in that field, isn't wasn't in the past.

Thanks to both of you for responding so thankfully to my post!

 
Old 09-22-2006, 10:59 AM   #5
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Hope you all are still reading this thread. Have you read The China Study? It is a fantastic book based on the fact that China has virtually no heart disease, very little high cholesterol/blood pressure and so forth. Interestingly, there is a correlation with osteoperosis too.

It's so hard to find people who are looking for something beyond an easy, quick-fix. I've been on a self-imposed health-quest for almost a year now. Here's what I've learned about the whole acid thing.

Though the US has the highest level of calcium consumption in the world, we also have the third highest incidence of hip fracture, which is an indication of osteoperosis. The body functions best in an alkaline environment. When you eat/drink things that are acidic such as meats, soda pop (it's the acid, not the sugar), coffee, etc... your body seeks to neutralize the acid. The neutralizer that is in the biggest supply is calcium. And the biggest source is the bones. So the body takes it from the bones to neutralize that acid. Wahlah! The body is happy. But of course, over time, the bones are not!

I haven't heard of percentages of neutral vs. acidic foods to eat. I did quit my 2-3 Pepsi a day habit almost a year ago. I drink one occasionally now...maybe once every two months. I also gradually cut out meat. I started with pork and processed meats, then beef and so forth. I do occasionally eat chicken and fish, but usually only when I eat out. I am now working on cutting out dairy products. I have found that this is all a process, and we all have our own path toward healing. I did not do all of this for my bones. I had/have high cholesterol, blood pressure, degenerative disc disease, MS, herniated discs and so forth. Anyway- fun to share a little. It seems that in most forums, nutritional information gets shot down. But for me, I've given the medical route years of my time. I'm ready for a change!

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Though the US has the highest level of calcium consumption in the world, we also have the third highest incidence of hip fracture, which is an indication of osteoperosis. The body functions best in an alkaline environment. When you eat/drink things that are acidic such as meats, soda pop (it's the acid, not the sugar), coffee, etc... your body seeks to neutralize the acid. The neutralizer that is in the biggest supply is calcium. And the biggest source is the bones. So the body takes it from the bones to neutralize that acid. Wahlah! The body is happy. But of course, over time, the bones are not!

I haven't heard of percentages of neutral vs. acidic foods to eat. I did quit my 2-3 Pepsi a day habit almost a year ago. I drink one occasionally now...maybe once every two months. I also gradually cut out meat. I started with pork and processed meats, then beef and so forth. I do occasionally eat chicken and fish, but usually only when I eat out. I am now working on cutting out dairy products. I have found that this is all a process, and we all have our own path toward healing. I did not do all of this for my bones. I had/have high cholesterol, blood pressure, degenerative disc disease, MS, herniated discs and so forth. Anyway- fun to share a little. It seems that in most forums, nutritional information gets shot down. But for me, I've given the medical route years of my time. I'm ready for a change!

Lavinia
Hi Lavinia: You've mentioned what you cut out of your diet, so what's left?

Also, I would like to know if the diet your on now has helped your disc problem in any way, and the osteo? I have the same situation along with a bunch of other back probs with constant pain, so I would love to know if the diet has helped "in any way". I lowered my choles... blood pressure with a low fat diet, but it certainly didn't do anything for my back and bone situation. If you've seen any improvements, I would like to know what your eating.

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Hi Pam-

I wish I could report a dramatic change in my back/disc situation. I can't. I still have severe degeneration at L5-S1. The more minor degeneration at L-3,4 is gone according to my most recent MRI. That's not a huge improvement but from what I have been reading, it takes 1-2 years to rebuild and strengthen bone. I continue to have degenerative disc disease.

I've eaten crap (well not literally, of course...ha ha) for years and it will take time to rebuild and reaccustom my body to the new nutrition it's getting.

It is a process, as I said and I am still learning. What do I eat? I juice carrots every morning. I don't love them, but I drink them because they are the most nutrient dense vegie there is! I eat a handful of almonds or walnuts for a mid-morning snack (they increase HDL- good cholesterol) and are a good source of protein. The rest of the day I eat salads, vegies, fruit, whole grains, hummus, nuts, seeds, beans, legumes,...that kind of thing. I still eat too much sugar...I'm working on it. I don't drink milk but I still eat cheese...some day I'll give that up too. I walk 1/2 mile to 3 miles almost every day depending on pain level.

I have read testimonials in some of the books I've read in which people reversed their osteoperosis and/or degenerative disc disease. From what I've read, it takes around two years to see a difference on a test. I guess somewhere deep down inside I know that it's possible that my back problems are here to stay, but mostly I have to hope. I have to hope that there is something I can do to help myself. I have to hope that if I treat my body better than it's ever been treated, it will reward me with health. Maybe it won't. But in the mean time, I figure I'm not doing it any harm. Perhaps eating healthier will encourage the healing of current problems or hold off progression of future problems (degeneration).

Anyway- hope that makes sense.

Lavinia

 
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Lavinia,

I was just reading a few web-sites listing non animal protein sources that don't leach calcium from your bones and it seems the best ones are "greens and beans", that's easy to remember. Keep in mind that some greens contain oxolates that bind to calcium, so put a little vinegar on your greens before you eat them.
You are on a good track with your nutrition for better bone density, you are to be commended. I changed my diet to exclude most ofl the meat I used to eat, now I only eat one three ounce serving at dinner (pork, chicken or fish), the rest of the day I try to get protein from peanut butter, nuts, seeds, beans etc. I still eat the soft cheeses like ricotta, and eat yogurt and non-fat ice cream, but I don't consume the quantity I used to. I eat Dreamfields pasta (I know it's white pasta and acidic), but I don't like whole grain pasta that much, and it's low carb and the box states that the pasta contains bone building nutrients.
I do not use soy as a meat substitute because I have stayed away from soy ever since I heard a nutritionist say it's been genetically modified for consumption in the U.S. Almost everything on the supermarket shelf contains soy, it's hard to stay away from it completey, but I try. I stopped in the Whole Foods store the last week and a girl from London was giving facials with a soy based product. I was speaking to her about her products and she asked me if I ate soy. I told her no and the reason why. She was so stunned that I knew not to eat it, and told me that many people are unaware that it's unhealthy. She said she uses soy in her facial cream because it draws everything out, but she would never eat it.
I am trying out different ways to get more calcium in my diet, I made a salad dressing of calcium fortified orange juice, honey, and mustard. It tasted really good!
I have disk herniations at C5-C7, repetitive strain injury, sciatica, I'm a mess. My back has been so bad the last few days I can hardly move, so I haven't been to the gym for my weight bearing exercise, I probably lost some bone density being sedentary this week.
Good luck with your healthy dietary changes, I wish I could get to the point where you are nutritiionally, i don't think I could give up dairy all the way!

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