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Old 10-27-2010, 10:49 AM   #1
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Osteopenia and HRT

Hi,

I have just found this forum and am grateful for all of the information I have read here.

I am 48 year old woman who started menopause about 2 years ago. I had a dexa scan a year ago which showed a T-score of -1.5 (L-Spine) and -.6 (Hip). I just repeated the scan (at the same place) and now have a T-score of -2.2 (L-Spine) and -.8 (Hip). My lumbar spine has decrease by 9.3% in a year!.

It is a big wake up call and I'm exploring my options. My doctor is recommending bio-identical hormones. I haven't seen many people talk about these as a way to prevent more bone loss (maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?), though studies seem to confirm they do provide benefit.

Has anyone seen bone loss stabilize/increase by using them?

Also, I'm petite (5'3 and 100 pounds) and have heard that the scans can be inaccurate for smaller women though I haven't been able to find any research on that. Does anyone know if that is true?

Thanks so much in advance. It is a bit overwhelming trying to sort this all out.

 
Old 10-27-2010, 12:26 PM   #2
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Re: Osteopenia and HRT

I'm a smaller woman too - 5'2" 110 lbs - and it is problematic for us. I don't think the HRT has done anything for my bone density. However, weight lifting does seem to have made a difference. I supposedly have osteopenia (if you believe in such a thing which I am not sure that I do) and my scores have improved or stayed the same. I've been on bcp or hrt for several decades straight now. Started lifting weights 2 years ago after a scan and was rechecked this year and finally saw some improvement. So I think the weight bearing is what improved mine.

 
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Old 10-27-2010, 12:56 PM   #3
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Thanks so much for the response! I have actually just started lifting weights with a trainer to try to strengthen my back after a herniated disk last Christmas. It is good to know that that is what helped you. How often do you lift weights and do you do any kind of specific training? I am working with a trainer because I have hurt myself in the past lifting weights. Do you mind telling me how much your score improved? I can imagine there is a big danger in "becoming" your T-score and putting too much weight (no pun intended) into it, but I'm new to all of this and feel that I need to pay attention when mine changed so dramatically...

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I'm also a small woman (5'3", 112 lbs) with T-scores that diagnose me as having osteoporosis. An excellent book recommended by many on this Board ("The Myth of Osteoporosis" by Gillian Sanson) states: "osteoporosis is overdiagnosed in persons of petite body stature, simply because the means of reference populations are calculated from the values of large and small people". My GP confirmed this when I asked.

I've been taking bio-identical hormones for about six months now. Blood tests indicated I had hormonal levels consistent with a woman in her eighties (I'm mid-50's). It's too early to tell if this treatment will be effective for building bone density (not the reason I started), but my GP thinks it might help.

Like many others, I'm taking Strontium Citrate. For me, other medical problems have made exercise problematic for many years -- possibly a contributor to my low bone density. However, I have recently purchased a rebounder -- a top-of-the-line bungee cord style which I find very smooth, quiet and comfortable. I originally considered vibration therapy, but found the vibration too vigorous and rather irritating. I love the rebounder, but can only do a few minutes a day. There is a lot of information on the web about NASA's use of rebounding exercises to rebuild bone density lost by astronauts during their time in zero gravity. Apparently, NASA's tests proved it to be quite effective.

You're right -- it is overwhelming to sort this all out. Try to find the book I mentioned. It should help you to feel a bit better about your diagnosis. Good luck!

 
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I've jogged for years and still do - usually 3-4 days a week. I go to a trainer 2 days a week for about 45 minutes. When I started 2 years ago I could not do a single push up nor could I lift the bar only on the Smith machine...and wouldn't even try a standard bench press! Now I can bench press 85 pounds! Do all the push ups needed for a standard workout. Do various exercises on the Smith. amazing the difference!

As for my scores, when I had the previous scans done they did not separate the scores as their machines were not WHO approved at the time. So I have nothing to compare the individual scores to. However, the combined score decreased by .1. And I also concur about the norm for petite white women being skewed. If they do baseline mammograms at age 35 or so, why not bone scans????? Maybe I've always been this way....who knows? I just know I'm not taking biophosphonates for it!

 
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I'm also a small woman (5'3", 112 lbs) with T-scores that diagnose me as having osteoporosis. An excellent book recommended by many on this Board ("The Myth of Osteoporosis" by Gillian Sanson) states: "osteoporosis is overdiagnosed in persons of petite body stature, simply because the means of reference populations are calculated from the values of large and small people". My GP confirmed this when I asked.

I've been taking bio-identical hormones for about six months now. Blood tests indicated I had hormonal levels consistent with a woman in her eighties (I'm mid-50's). It's too early to tell if this treatment will be effective for building bone density (not the reason I started), but my GP thinks it might help.

Like many others, I'm taking Strontium Citrate. For me, other medical problems have made exercise problematic for many years -- possibly a contributor to my low bone density. However, I have recently purchased a rebounder -- a top-of-the-line bungee cord style which I find very smooth, quiet and comfortable. I originally considered vibration therapy, but found the vibration too vigorous and rather irritating. I love the rebounder, but can only do a few minutes a day. There is a lot of information on the web about NASA's use of rebounding exercises to rebuild bone density lost by astronauts during their time in zero gravity. Apparently, NASA's tests proved it to be quite effective.

You're right -- it is overwhelming to sort this all out. Try to find the book I mentioned. It should help you to feel a bit better about your diagnosis. Good luck!
Thanks for the reply and the book recommendation. It is on its way from Amazon! I'm intrigued about the rebounder exercises - the concept of why they would help makes sense to me. Which one did you buy and is there anything about it you don't like? Regarding the Vibrational therapy, how did you try that? I Googled that in my area but came up blank. I did find a few machines you could buy... I too am considering Strontium based on this forum.

I wish you wonderfully healing with the HRT. It seems to me like studies show that it is an effective treatment. I too am having other symptoms and was considering going on it any way. To me, the risks of it seems far less than the other pharmaceutical medications out there.

 
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I've jogged for years and still do - usually 3-4 days a week. I go to a trainer 2 days a week for about 45 minutes. When I started 2 years ago I could not do a single push up nor could I lift the bar only on the Smith machine...and wouldn't even try a standard bench press! Now I can bench press 85 pounds! Do all the push ups needed for a standard workout. Do various exercises on the Smith. amazing the difference!
Awesome! Very inspiring!

 
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Hi Stronggirl,

I purchased a Bellicon rebounder from an online company that starts with the letters "Qi". This brand of rebounder is manufactured in Germany, and is exceptional quality. I borrowed a spring-based rebounder from my niece before making my purchase decision, and found it too stiff to land on (also noisy due to the squeaking of the springs). I have arthritis, and needed something to protect my joints. The Bellicon is ordered with the particular strength of bungee cords suited to one's weight. Despite being in Canada, my rebounder arrived from the States in a week. I did a lot of research on the web before making my choice, and I am entirely satisfied. The website I mentioned has numerous videos demonstrating exercises designed for particular medical problems, including bone density. The rebounder arrived with a two-page instruction sheet describing safety concerns, and the necessity of starting slowly.

Before looking into the rebounder, I spent several weeks researching vibration equipment on the internet. The more I read, the more confused I became. There was a lot of conflicting information on which type of vibration (vertical vs oscillating) was best for building bone density. I finally decided I'd have to try the equipment to make a decision. Fortunately, we live in a big city and I was able to try half a dozen different brands/models in fitness or lifestyle stores. I didn't like any of them (nor did my husband, who got a severe headache after every trial). Although he didn't try to influence my decision, he was glad when I abandoned my search. I think he was afraid of brain damage. In particular, the equipment with vertical vibration really rattles the head unless you stand with an exact degree of flex in the knees. This is not a type of equipment one should purchase without trying the exact model. Ultimately, since we hated using the equipment for a trial of only a few minutes, we soon realized it would quickly just take up space in the basement! Although expensive, the Bellicon was definitely the more affordable choice.

After reading Titcho's post describing how active she's been over the years, it is difficult to imagine the little bit of rebounding I'm doing will help much. But, by doing as much as I can within the limitations of too many medical problems to list, as least I can't blame myself if my next bone density test is even worse. Best of luck with your decision.

 
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Hi Sensitivo,

Thanks for such a thorough reply.

From what I have read so far, you made an excellent choice on the Rebounder - both on the model and choosing that form of exercise. I'm going to think about it/research a bit more, but I have a feeling that I will end up with one as well. Plus, I like the name of rebounding. That's what we are aiming for!

I didn't even think about trying a fitness store to explore the vibration machines. I will see if our town has any. Conceptually, the Rebounder makes more sense to me, but it seems worth checking it out.

I actually think a small amount of rebounding will help. The amount recommended doesn't seem to be very much. The important thing, I believe, will be to believe that it will work and set that intention/celebrate each time you do it. I recently read "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton. The premise of the book is how much our thoughts affect our bodies. I would recommend it. Parts are very scientific (too much for my taste), but most of it was very interesting. I'm also doing Psych-K which was recommended in the book. That process aims to help you change your subconsious thoughts. Lots of work for me to do yet, but I do think it is useful.

Happy rebounding and thanks again for the info.

 
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Thanks, Stronggirl, for your suggestion of Bruce Lipton's book. I've placed it on hold at our local library. I'm pretty disciplined about ensuring my conscious thoughts are accurate. However, I have no idea how my subconscious thoughts might be influencing my life.

Let me know your decision on a rebounder or vibration therapy equipment.

 
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