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Old 07-10-2005, 11:48 PM   #16
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

Sorry Canadachick but your story doesn't add up to me. Why are you self medicating? If you have a genuine medical problem, you need the care of a physician. Why don't you have a physician. Canada has an excellent health care system. You can see any doctor of your choice, at any time, at no charge to you. If you have genuine pain, no doctor in Canada is going to let you continue to take the medicines that you are on. You need to provide more information to us or I'm sorry but I'm just going to assume that your're not being straight up with this board.

 
Old 07-22-2005, 12:45 AM   #17
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

Dave...do you live in Canada? If so, I'd love to know where!
I live in a city in Ontario with a population of 75,000.
20,000 citizens do not have a GP! These people rely on walk in clinics and the ER (if you want to wait 4 hours to be seen) for treatment.
Even if you are fortunate enough to have a GP, if you have one who is
not willing to prescribe narcotics for non-malignant chronic pain, you are pretty much stuck with muscle relaxants, anti-depressants and whatever else this GP "feels comfortable" prescribing.
I am in this situation and have suffered with chronic pain for years as a result.
After 3 years, a fill-in doc prescribed Oxycontin (very low dose) and now my GP refuses to increase it. His issue is with covering his back and not with controlling my pain, it's obvious...don't know how many times I got the "narcotics are addictive" lecture...pure ignorance on his part, as we are all aware.
I cannot "chose" another doctor. My choice is this doctor or no one.
I am not certain where you are getting your information...we have a genuine health crisis here in Ontario!
Just to get in to see a specialist for a consult can mean waiting up to 6 months!
Again...would love to know what area of Canada you live in where you get such excellent treatment and freedom of choice...I would certainly consider relocating!
I sympathize with you Canadachick. If I were you, I would show up at the ER or walk in clinic every time your pain gets out of control. They are required to keep records there and if you keep coming back, I am sure they will see that this is a chronic problem and will refer you to a physician. It may take some persistence, but you can't continue trying to make do with OTC medications.
You have a right to treatment...but it will take time to get it...hang in there and don't give up.





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Sorry Canadachick but your story doesn't add up to me. Why are you self medicating? If you have a genuine medical problem, you need the care of a physician. Why don't you have a physician. Canada has an excellent health care system. You can see any doctor of your choice, at any time, at no charge to you. If you have genuine pain, no doctor in Canada is going to let you continue to take the medicines that you are on. You need to provide more information to us or I'm sorry but I'm just going to assume that your're not being straight up with this board.
I have come back to edit this post. Dave, I have just read your previous posts and I am so sorry for what you are dealing with. This does explain your ability to get treatment and all of the meds you require for pain though...docs in this country have a completely different view when it comes to prescribing narcotics for malignant cancer pain than they do for chronic non-malignant pain. Pain is pain...but they don't see it that way.
When my mother was suffering from cancer pain, they prescribed anything and everything she needed (even though she always told me she wasn't in nearly as much pain as I live with daily)...makes no never mind to the physicians. Take care.

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Old 12-20-2005, 07:40 AM   #18
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

I just got back to the boards and was reading some of the replies and so forth when I came across yours. I appreciate not only the concern but the information as well. I didn't know any of that and hope to soon take steps to reduce the amount of Tylenol I am actually taking which has dropped down to about three grams now. I would like to quit taking it altogether but becuase of insomnia related problems and some pain it isn't possible. I hope you get this and thank you for everything. I didn't know it could cause so many problems with the kidneys as you have mentioned. Wow! Emeraldeyes114

 
Old 12-23-2005, 01:41 PM   #19
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

The Tylenol research was done in Brittan and originally on alcoholics. The ceiling of 4 grams per day was found to be safe if taken long term in alcoholics. It is supposed if you are not a drinker that the limit is much higher. The problem with Tylenol is that its metabolism is rate limited in the liver—as long as you stay below the rate limitation there will be NO damage. Kind of like driving your car at 65 mph—no problem—drive it at 120 and it will last 500 miles. Driving it at 45 mph—it will probably last the same mileage as driving it at 65. This is analogous to Tylenol. Take 4 grams a day for a lifetime and no problem. Take 5 grams for 3 months and you most likely will have one. Hope this helps.

 
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

seriously,i cannot actually believe that if that much tylenol(4 grams)is taken daily with alcohol,there will be no damage??i find this very very hard to believe,really.the newer info that is coming out on the effects of tylenol with the added bonus of being taken along with alcohol just totally contradicts what this 'research' states.
also if you use tylenol over a long term basis even at the max 'safe' dose,you WILL incur damage.this research just does not sound right to me at all.Is this actually true?If you actually are taking that much tylenol and also drinking alcohol along with it, you are giving the liver wayy too much crap for it to actually handle at one time.it just cannot handle that constant 'double whammy of two substances that are known to be somewhat 'toxic' to the liver cells.the depletion of gluthathione that is caused during the metabolization process cannot possibly handle all that much crap.it cannot metabolize it fast enough,which results in necrosis of liver cells.this is actually documented research.this just goes against all of the latest research that I have done on the overall effects of tylenol,really.I am wayyyy confused here.marcia
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:42 PM   #21
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

Hi feelbad,

I'm with you!! I live in Canada and they still sell Tylenol #1 (325mg acet. 8mg. codeine, caff) over the counter both name brand and almost all drug stores have their own generic available for about 1/4 the cost.

EVERYTHING that I've ever been told or read almost all said 12 tablets (12 X325) is a max. daily dose, BUT THAT IS NOT A DAY IN DAY OUT GUIDE. If someone is taking it every day they say about 1/2 of that. Warnings about drinking while taking it are on every bottle as well.

If I remember right the max. dose that one can safely take at one time is 2000mg. but that isn't something that you can do a few times a day every day. There is also a 'ceiling' with this med. which means that once you take a cdertain amount, that is all the pain relief that you are going to get. Taking more onlhy adds to the negative side effects.

I've never read or heard that one can take 4 grams a day every day along with drinking - just the opposite actually. Something I can't imagine doing!!

Cheers//Chaz

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Old 12-28-2005, 07:26 AM   #22
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

I so totally agree with you.I would love to actually read this "research".there is just no possible way that an alcoholic can take 4000gms of tylenol and continue to drink and not have liver damage,just absolutely no way.both of these substances are known to kill liver cells at certain levels,and combined?wow,they need to speak with the alcoholics and the other folks who used too much tylenol and are currently on the 'list' and waiting for new livers.marcia
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Old 01-11-2006, 11:14 AM   #23
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

Ok Perhaps I have missed something but 4000 grams is like 8000 tylenol pm's unless I am mistaken. Who in any frame of mind would sit around taking that many in a twenty four hour period. Are you sure you didn't mean milligrams? I would think that the liver would give out way before the 8000 were taken. So let me know what I am getting wrong with this picture. I would appreciate it.

 
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

You ARE right of course,ooops.yes,it IS millis not grammys.sorry thanks for pointing that out,yikes!marcia

 
Old 01-12-2006, 10:50 AM   #25
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

Shoooo! Glad to know and get that cleared up. Lol
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Old 01-12-2006, 03:36 PM   #26
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

I think the max per day is 4,000 mg, but if you're taking it everyday, day after day on a regular basis they say it should be less. Something like 2,800 mg, if I remember right.

Your best bet if you have to take a lot of Tylenol #3's (or #1's) or Hydrocodone with apap, is to find a compound pharmacy that will make you a Hydro (or whatever) at any strength your doctor will write a script for. You can get them with 20 mg Hydro and 80 mg apap. Or, you can have them made with no apap at all. More expensive, yes, but like Marcia said, keeps you from standing in line for a new liver!
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Old 01-29-2006, 12:45 PM   #27
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

I was wondering if anyone else has had this happen while taking Tylenol PM's. I have noticed that i get extremely cold and depressed when I take them regardless of how many I take. I can actually have it happen on the regular dose. I was wondering if it might be the tylenol or just me. Emerald

 
Old 02-06-2006, 08:22 AM   #28
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

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I find myself taking a lot of tylenol with codeine lately because I am trying to manage my pain on my own (I have no GP). They are OTC here but there is such a small amount of codeine in T1's that I have to take a LOT of acetominophen to get any of the benefits of the codeine. My question is how much tylenol is too much? I know it can do a lot of damage to your liver and that's what I'm worried about but I don't know what else to do. I have no alternative. I have a lot of neurontin here but even the 3200mg I was supposed to be taking doesn't work. Because I have no doctor I can only go to the walk-in clinic. They will not prescribe narcotics so I get prescriptions for things like Elavil, Neurontin, Celebrex, Flexeril etc. that don't work. I was also taking Ativan because I can't sleep at night but I couldn't get prescriptions for anymore so I had to stop. I'm back to sleepless, painful nights now....very,very frustrating! I tried taking combinations of ANYTHING to sleep like benadryl or gravol but that isn't even working now.

 
Old 02-06-2006, 08:39 AM   #29
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

If you can surf to here you can look up this information. There are places that compare drugs for interactions and will give you information about that drug. One is [url]www.drugs.com[/url] . At least I think it is. You can do a search by putting in " compare drugs"

2000 mg is the recommeded amount to take daily. Tylenol mixed with alcohol can kill you. It can be harmful to the liver. Have you been checked for hepatitis C. Please do if you have not . You can do this at a free clinic. 5 million in the USA have this and no one seems to be talking about it. 3 million still don't know. There is no standard test for this. So you didn't get it unless you ask.

The drugs you are taking are nasty and I feel your plight. Dr shopping and depending on clinics to treat you is bad business. Have you tired to get help from the goverment. If you do not have insurance maybe you can get that.

I suffer greatly from pain. I have Hepatitis C and I have cleared but I had many of the symptoms you stated. Joint pain , fatigue, memory loss is three of the most common.

You really need your own dr. It makes me sad a country as rich as our own allows its people to suffer while it runs to the aid of other countries. I don't mean they should not. They are rich enough to help them also.

Neurontin has a lawsuite against it. It was never approved for neuropathy and many of the other host of maladies it is over used for. Elavil is another nasty drug. It is sad also that we are given mind controlling drugs in leu of pain meds. I am on pain meds. I take them as I should and I don't get drunk off of them. I take 12 hour narcotic pain reliever. Am I addicted. Yeah I am physically but I will never be off of them. I am a contributor to society. I didn't cash out , this allows me to do the normal activities. I didn't get hep C from drugs. I got it in blood plasma where I worked through a company making Factor 8.

There are many ways to get Hep C, blood to blood. Sharing razors, toothbrushes ( yuck) , nail clippers, etc.. There is IV drug use. Many do not know they have had this till they are advancing and most around 20-25 years. It can happen faster and it damages your liver.

I am not sure I can do this but I am going to leave a link to my support. I hope you will come. We help people that can't get help on their own. If they take this down I will understand. I think you need help to get the treatment you need as in free doctors care.

I will share some links with you that can help you or I will do it myself. I am limited to time today. I am there every evening..

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You can leave me a message on the message board if you are using a library computer.

God bless you and I pray you have gotten help.


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Old 02-06-2006, 03:22 PM   #30
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Re: How much tylenol is too much?

Remeber this. The liver does not feel pain. It has no pain receptors. All high dosage of tylenol should be having a regular liver panel to check AST/ALT.

 
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