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Old 01-24-2005, 01:10 PM   #1
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Question Does anyone Know What this Drug is??

The name of the drug is TALACEN

I've looked it up, and I see that it's a narcotic....but I get an alternate name for it as Talwin...and I just don't know if that's right. I'm 6 weeks post-op, and while I am still experiencing a lot of Nerve pain (and not really sure if I have re-injured myself or not)...I was under the impression that Talwain was a major heavy duty pain drug, and I don't want to be taking something so strong at this point. If anyone has any info on this drug, I'd appreciate it...I've got a call in to the doctor...but it took from Friday to today to get it called in...so I'm not looking for a call back today.

Shoreline, do you know??? O Wise One....?? Thanks for any help, I'd like some relief...but geez, I don't want to be leveled. Post surgery the strongest med I had was Lortab 10. So I'm confused and Puzzled. My doc is very opiate scared, so I can't imagine him giving me something that I thought was so strong....or am I just wrong about Talwin??? Or wrong about this Talacen being the same as Talwin?? Help please.

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Old 01-24-2005, 03:39 PM   #2
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Re: Does anyone Know What this Drug is??

Hey BG, I can tell you what Talwyn is, Are you in canada,? The differences in name may simpply be the difference between countries. Talacen/Talwyn in the US was widely abused by IV users back in the 70's, It was actually mixed with a stmulant that was readily available to create a speedball. Up and down combination for those that like to sit and drool.LOL

Anyway, In the US it was such a problem and Talwyn is so easily converted into injectable material, the FDA said something has to be done. So that some thing was a little bit of Nalaxone mixed in with each capsule, now called Talwyn NX, Not enough to interfere with the anelgesic action if swallowed as it should be , but enough of the potent opiate antagonist to make the injection brew useless.
Naloxone is the same thing as "Narcan" a potent opiate antagonist that will snap an Over-dose out of a coma in a heart beat. It blocks and purges opiate receptors.

If you are outside the US you may still be able to get plain "PENTAZOCINE" which is the synthetic opiate similar in strenght to DiHydrocodone depending on the amount you take.
The Talwyn NX in the states is relatively week and with the naltrexone in it, it's just not used very often anymore. The strength it comes in would compare more to dosages of tylenol and codeine, 60 or so mgs of codeine per dose. If your In Canada, You may be getting the plain Pantazocine which is a potent opiate without the naltrexone. Similar to pure Hydrocodone but easily turned injectable without the apap in it.

It's a drug that most opiate dependent chronic pain patients should try to avoid. Other combination opiate antagonist would be like Nubain used in hospitals during deliver all the time. Stadol NS, a very potent nasal spray containing "Butorphanol tartrate, a synthetically derived opioid agonist-antagonist analgesic. All of which could cause potential withdrawal in an dependent patient.

The antagonist part basically puts a cap on the ceiling a mixed agonist/antagonists has, as far as pain relief and possible euphoria. Although stadol is quite potent and often very efffective for migraines it could potentially send an opiate dependent patient into withdrawal. Some of the new drugs coming out like Subutex are also mixed agonist/antagonist to prevent diversion and increase their effectiveness in a particular way. But still limited by the antagonist.

When I first read Tolacan, I was thinking you mis spelled Tolectin, an old NSAID but if you found info linking it to Talwyn, it's a combination opiate agonist /antagonist wtith the Naltrexone and a fairly strong pain killer without the naltrexone and without a ceiling created by the antagonist.
Talwyn NX binds to some receptors and blocks others that cause respirory sedation and euphoria.

Be cautious with your first dose if you have been on opiates for a while, start with as little as possible and see how you respond. It's fallen so out of use, that all docs wouldn't be familiar with the stuff.

I hope this is a sign surgery went well and your feeling better and ready to step down on the pain meds, that would be great, How are you doing ?
Hope your doing well
Dave

Last edited by Shoreline; 01-25-2005 at 06:34 AM. Reason: sorry about typos, rushing again.LOL

 
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Re: Does anyone Know What this Drug is??

A search on google turned up this-
http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Talacen_Caplets.html
Hope this helps,
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Re: Does anyone Know What this Drug is??

i have alot of nearve pain i know talwin didnt touch it so they put me on loritab 10 it helps alot i have md

 
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Re: Does anyone Know What this Drug is??

Thanks for the link Ellen, I didn't know if this was new or Canadian med, But it is a New combination of 25mgs of PENTAZOCINE and 650 of apap available in the US. Not enough Talwyn and too much apap to make it interesting to IV drug abusers. So abuse will be limited by the large amount of apap in each capsule. With 650 mgs per capsule it pretty much limits the dose to one tablet every 4 hours or exceed the recomaneded apap dosage. So your still looking at a med in the codeine range as far as strength.
Ya learn something new everyday. I think docs like prescribing meds we have never heard of , that way they have the upper hand and we can't balk.
Let us know how it works.
Take care, Dave

Last edited by Shoreline; 01-26-2005 at 07:17 AM.

 
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